The Positive Brexit Thread

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

3 hours ago, NFN FC said:

Maybe they will. First the PVV actually have to form a government.

I believe that VDD will merge with the Left which will prevent Wilders forming goverment, but the message is loud and clear - The world is turning Right - Milei, Wilders, Orban, Modi, Le Pen, Milei, Bolsonaro & Meloni etc...

As you all know here, I've been awake for a long time and have tried warning you Pink'UN Lefties about the errors of your politics..

People worldwide are finally waking up. The moderate, safe peaceful Europe of the late 20th century has been dragged to the Far-Left by malign forces in the 21st - Its been beaten over the head as a disgusting, racist unfair continent by grifters and now rightminded people have finally had enough.

[Yellow Fever 3,831]

1 minute ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

I believe that VDD will merge with the Left which will prevent Wilders forming goverment, but the message is loud and clear - The world is turning Right - Milei, Wilders, Orban, Modi, Le Pen, Milei, Bolsonaro & Meloni etc...

As you all know here, I've been awake for a long time and have tried warning you Pink'UN Lefties about the errors of your politics..

People worldwide are finally waking up. The moderate, safe peaceful Europe of the late 20th century has been dragged to the Far-Left by malign forces in the 21st - Its been beaten over the head as a disgusting, racist unfair continent by grifters and now rightminded people have finally had enough.

The far right were often in power in 20th century - bringing upon their peoples the enormous disasters that that century is well known for.

The right like simple solutions, somebody else to blame or scapegoat for complex problems -and not unsurprisingly once in power they find out it all goes awry.

We have own lesser examples in Johnson and Brexit - but places like Argentina and even the US have/had their own clowns now. The only people liking this descent into populist madness are the autocrats and the likes of China - sadly being proven right! Easy pickings.

 

[Herman 9,824]

36 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

The far right were often in power in 20th century - bringing upon their peoples the enormous disasters that that century is well known for.

The right like simple solutions, somebody else to blame or scapegoat for complex problems -and not unsurprisingly once in power they find out it all goes awry.

We have own lesser examples in Johnson and Brexit - but places like Argentina and even the US have/had their own clowns now. The only people liking this descent into populist madness are the autocrats and the likes of China - sadly being proven right! Easy pickings.

 

👍

"What far right figures like Wilders and Milei offer is to make all the complicated stuff go away. They block any reckoning with capital (after all they are backed by VERY big money), avoid questions of power and control and deflect the blame for our dysfunctions onto scapegoats." George Monbiot.

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

So Yellow Fever, Herman and fellow Lefty Remainiacs -- Now Europe is turning Right and you strongly dissaprove of that, I take it you will no longer be wanting to rejoin the EU? 🙃

You'll all be singing the praises of Brexit next 🤣

[TheGunnShow 5,995]

On 17/11/2023 at 06:40, Herman said:

Local election nerdery.

 

Ah, my home town. I'll point out that there were quite a few micro-parties for local districts (two were Farnworth and Kearsley First as well as Horwich and Blackrod First, not to mention Little Lever and Darcy Lever First, then also Bolton for Change all competing in local elections). But it's worth pointing out that at national level, Kearsley and Farnworth are part of Bolton South-East, which may be one of the safest Labour seats in northern England when it comes to General Elections.

Essentially, there's a prevailing view that the town centre gets most of the investment, and outlying suburbs get ****-all. Farnworth, Kearsley, Horwich, Blackrod and Little Lever are all a fair way out of the town centre, and this is a key reason why these hyper-local parties have emerged.

There wasn't much chance of them getting in at all in my local election ward (Heaton, Lostock and Chew Moor), which is fairly conservative.

2023 Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council election - Wikipedia

[Daz Sparks 1,182]

27 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

So Yellow Fever, Herman and fellow Lefty Remainiacs -- Now Europe is turning Right and you strongly dissaprove of that, I take it you will no longer be wanting to rejoin the EU? 🙃

You'll all be singing the praises of Brexit next 🤣

Facile.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

45 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

So Yellow Fever, Herman and fellow Lefty Remainiacs -- Now Europe is turning Right and you strongly dissaprove of that, I take it you will no longer be wanting to rejoin the EU? 🙃

You'll all be singing the praises of Brexit next 🤣

All part of the slow break up of the EU, led, I might add, by the mighty English working class.

[Daz Sparks 1,182]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

All part of the slow break up of the EU, led, I might add, by the mighty English working class.

In your Gammony old wet dreams. 

[NFN FC 1,123]

11 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

All part of the slow break up of the EU, led, I might add, by the mighty English working class.

I don't think Farage is working class, nor is Bojo.

[Herman 9,824]

One for Rocky and Bullwankle to look at.

 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,594]

32 minutes ago, Herman said:

One for Rocky and Bullwankle to look at.

 

Intelligence will tend to coincide with economic prosperity; economic prosperity trends to create bias towards the status quo.

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

How the British have paid billions for the EU to enlarge itself

Why weren’t the British people told about how their money was being spent?

Montage © Facts4EU.Org 2023

We reveal the enormous sums the EU has paid to ‘pre-accession’ countries to join the EU

Last week we published a two-part report on the nine countries the EU is lining up to join its political bloc. We showed that in its attempts to replace the UK, the EU plans to take on nine countries whose combined GDP is a fraction of that of the UK.

Today we reveal just how much money the EU has thrown at these countries – and how much this has cost the UK taxpayer. The EU Commission is shy about revealing all this information, so we will do it.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

The EU’s ‘Pre-Accession’ funding for prospective new members

 

• 2007-2013 : €11.5bn
• 2014-2020 : €12.8bn
• 2021-2027 : €14.2bn

[Source: EU Commission data.]

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2023 - click to enlarge

How much has all this cost the British people?

At a very conservative estimate of the UK contributing 12.5%, (we believe it is more), then the British people paid €3 billion (approx £2.6bn GBP) between 2007 and 2020. What we don’t know is how much more the British are paying for all of this as a result of Theresa May’s disastrous ‘Divorce Bill’, which included ‘future commitments’. This could well include the period 2021-2027.

In all of this it should be noted that these figures do not include all the billions the UK paid to the EU for its ‘off-budget’ funds, such as the €6bn paid to Turkey for an ineffective attempt to stem the flow of migrants, nor the €30 billion paid to Africa under a separate fund.

Conveniently Her Majesty’s Treasury never included these transfers in their calculations of the UK’s “net contributions” to the EU.

The EU’s ‘Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance’

There are many poor countries seeking the EU’s largesse for wanting to join its empire. At present there are nine in total, seven of which are officially ‘Candidate Countries’ and a further two who are in advanced talks to achieve this status. The tenth is Turkey, with which the EU has been at loggerheads for the last five years.

At no point in the many years of the United Kingdom’s membership of the EU has the British taxpayer ever been consulted about the billions of pounds the UK has contributed to the EU’s efforts to enlarge itself.

We have previously published many reports about the massive wealth transference to poorer, existing EU Member countries, funded to no small degree by the British taxpayer. Today we lift the lid on the wealth transfers to enable the EU to enlarge itself by taking in new members.

All of this comes on top of the British people’s generosity to existing EU Member countries

For years the British people helped to fund countries from Poland to Romania to improve their infrastucture, giving them sparkling new undergrounds, railway terminuses, roads and motorways. All of this was badged “Funded by the EU”. In reality the British people paid for a significant proportion of this – and received nothing in return. Not even a ‘thank you’.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

Want to travel “EU Class” to work today? Try Poland, courtesy of the UK taxpayer

Łódź has a population of just 685,000, making it smaller than Nottingham. The EU has spent UK money building an underground system there.

Facts4EU.Org Case Study

A new Underground for Łódź in Poland

Łódź Fabryczna station - Wikipedia Commons Licence - click to enlarge

In August 2018 the EU Commission approved additional expenditure on top of what it had already sanctioned, for some railway improvements in the city of Łódź, Poland. The last time we checked, the total was nearly £0.6 billion pounds.

Here is the EU’s statement:

“Łódź has two main stations: Łódź Fabryczna and Łódź Kaliska, which are currently not connected to each other. This is a major obstacle to the region’s transport development and an everyday inconvenience for those living in the city.”

“In Łódź, the Cohesion Fund is financing the construction of an underground line between the two stations, and to Łódź Żabieniec station in the west of the city.”

- EU Regional & Urban Development Directorate, 28 Aug 2018

Here is what the then EU Commissioner said about this funding for the Lodz railway connection:-

“Soon, those living in the city will be able to get across town faster and will benefit from better interregional connections, with an effective and environmentally friendly transport system.”

- EU Commissioner for Regional Policy, Ms Corina Crețu from Bulgaria, 28 Aug 2018

Observations

For years the public have been kept in blissful ignorance about the British people’s funding of the EU’s expansionism. Brexit Facts4EU.Org has published many reports about this over the years.

Given the EU Commission’s decisions last week regarding the nine accession countries, we felt that our readers would wish to know the facts. All of the figures above come directly from official data from the EU. Information from EU Commission sources simply can’t be denied by Rejoiners.

If the UK were to re-join the EU it would immediately become liable for its large share of these annual payments, which will now start increasing further.

Another major benefit of Brexit.

With Rejoiners pumping out nonsense on a daily basis, and with the BBC seemingly uninterested in anything which paints the EU in a bad light, it is essential that reports like this one above get out there.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Jools wasting his time with an organisation that is described as "Brexit extreme" and part of Guido. Elliot was even proposed by Truss for a seat in HoL. No wonder he was one of the founders of NotoAV.

[Herman 9,824]

During all these talks on budgets, autumn statements, counter statements, fiscal policies and the like there's been barely a mention on the millstone that is brexit, slowly dragging us down and leaving us no room to manoeuvre. It is now the biggest elephant in the room this country has ever not seen.

[Indy 3,315]

15 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

All part of the slow break up of the EU, led, I might add, by the mighty English working class.

Mighty English Lazy Class! 
 

Easier to blame the EU for our own failings! 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Indy

[littleyellowbirdie 2,594]

2 minutes ago, Indy said:

Mighty English Lazy Class! 
 

Easier to blame the EU for our own failings! 

Feckless lazy white lower class scroungers the lot of them. 🙂

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

19 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

So Yellow Fever, Herman and fellow Lefty Remainiacs -- Now Europe is turning Right and you strongly dissaprove of that, I take it you will no longer be wanting to rejoin the EU? 🙃

You'll all be singing the praises of Brexit next 🤣

Once the right have had their frenzied feast on what they can get out of EU they will end up like Farage and his £60K pension for an institution he despised.

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

20 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

I believe that VDD will merge with the Left which will prevent Wilders forming goverment, but the message is loud and clear - The world is turning Right - Milei, Wilders, Orban, Modi, Le Pen, Milei, Bolsonaro & Meloni etc...

As you all know here, I've been awake for a long time and have tried warning you Pink'UN Lefties about the errors of your politics..

People worldwide are finally waking up. The moderate, safe peaceful Europe of the late 20th century has been dragged to the Far-Left by malign forces in the 21st - Its been beaten over the head as a disgusting, racist unfair continent by grifters and now rightminded people have finally had enough.

As you all know here, people who have stay awake for a long time start to hallucinate and then go mad, looking at that list it's obvious that you're way past that stage. 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

On 23/11/2023 at 19:59, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

How the British have paid billions for the EU to enlarge itself

Why weren’t the British people told about how their money was being spent?

Montage © Facts4EU.Org 2023

We reveal the enormous sums the EU has paid to ‘pre-accession’ countries to join the EU

Last week we published a two-part report on the nine countries the EU is lining up to join its political bloc. We showed that in its attempts to replace the UK, the EU plans to take on nine countries whose combined GDP is a fraction of that of the UK.

Today we reveal just how much money the EU has thrown at these countries – and how much this has cost the UK taxpayer. The EU Commission is shy about revealing all this information, so we will do it.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

The EU’s ‘Pre-Accession’ funding for prospective new members

 

• 2007-2013 : €11.5bn
• 2014-2020 : €12.8bn
• 2021-2027 : €14.2bn

[Source: EU Commission data.]

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2023 - click to enlarge

How much has all this cost the British people?

At a very conservative estimate of the UK contributing 12.5%, (we believe it is more), then the British people paid €3 billion (approx £2.6bn GBP) between 2007 and 2020. What we don’t know is how much more the British are paying for all of this as a result of Theresa May’s disastrous ‘Divorce Bill’, which included ‘future commitments’. This could well include the period 2021-2027.

In all of this it should be noted that these figures do not include all the billions the UK paid to the EU for its ‘off-budget’ funds, such as the €6bn paid to Turkey for an ineffective attempt to stem the flow of migrants, nor the €30 billion paid to Africa under a separate fund.

Conveniently Her Majesty’s Treasury never included these transfers in their calculations of the UK’s “net contributions” to the EU.

The EU’s ‘Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance’

There are many poor countries seeking the EU’s largesse for wanting to join its empire. At present there are nine in total, seven of which are officially ‘Candidate Countries’ and a further two who are in advanced talks to achieve this status. The tenth is Turkey, with which the EU has been at loggerheads for the last five years.

At no point in the many years of the United Kingdom’s membership of the EU has the British taxpayer ever been consulted about the billions of pounds the UK has contributed to the EU’s efforts to enlarge itself.

We have previously published many reports about the massive wealth transference to poorer, existing EU Member countries, funded to no small degree by the British taxpayer. Today we lift the lid on the wealth transfers to enable the EU to enlarge itself by taking in new members.

All of this comes on top of the British people’s generosity to existing EU Member countries

For years the British people helped to fund countries from Poland to Romania to improve their infrastucture, giving them sparkling new undergrounds, railway terminuses, roads and motorways. All of this was badged “Funded by the EU”. In reality the British people paid for a significant proportion of this – and received nothing in return. Not even a ‘thank you’.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

Want to travel “EU Class” to work today? Try Poland, courtesy of the UK taxpayer

Łódź has a population of just 685,000, making it smaller than Nottingham. The EU has spent UK money building an underground system there.

Facts4EU.Org Case Study

A new Underground for Łódź in Poland

Łódź Fabryczna station - Wikipedia Commons Licence - click to enlarge

In August 2018 the EU Commission approved additional expenditure on top of what it had already sanctioned, for some railway improvements in the city of Łódź, Poland. The last time we checked, the total was nearly £0.6 billion pounds.

Here is the EU’s statement:

“Łódź has two main stations: Łódź Fabryczna and Łódź Kaliska, which are currently not connected to each other. This is a major obstacle to the region’s transport development and an everyday inconvenience for those living in the city.”

“In Łódź, the Cohesion Fund is financing the construction of an underground line between the two stations, and to Łódź Żabieniec station in the west of the city.”

- EU Regional & Urban Development Directorate, 28 Aug 2018

Here is what the then EU Commissioner said about this funding for the Lodz railway connection:-

“Soon, those living in the city will be able to get across town faster and will benefit from better interregional connections, with an effective and environmentally friendly transport system.”

- EU Commissioner for Regional Policy, Ms Corina Crețu from Bulgaria, 28 Aug 2018

Observations

For years the public have been kept in blissful ignorance about the British people’s funding of the EU’s expansionism. Brexit Facts4EU.Org has published many reports about this over the years.

Given the EU Commission’s decisions last week regarding the nine accession countries, we felt that our readers would wish to know the facts. All of the figures above come directly from official data from the EU. Information from EU Commission sources simply can’t be denied by Rejoiners.

If the UK were to re-join the EU it would immediately become liable for its large share of these annual payments, which will now start increasing further.

Another major benefit of Brexit.

With Rejoiners pumping out nonsense on a daily basis, and with the BBC seemingly uninterested in anything which paints the EU in a bad light, it is essential that reports like this one above get out there.

And it's German companies such as Siemens that win the contracts for building all this infrastructure. It meant we were paying billions to German workers.

[Yellow Fever 3,831]

Just an old chestnut returning saying exactly what was obvious at the time.

But according to the OBR now even more so......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/25/uks-flagship-post-brexit-trade-deal-worth-even-less-than-previously-thought-obr-says

[littleyellowbirdie 2,594]

2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Just an old chestnut returning saying exactly what was obvious at the time.

But according to the OBR now even more so......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/25/uks-flagship-post-brexit-trade-deal-worth-even-less-than-previously-thought-obr-says

What are they trying to prove with these stupid forecasts? What's changed since the first forecasts? When have they ever produced accurate forecasts anyway? Nothing much has changed since the first forecasts, so can we take it they just don't have a clue?

If it's all this gloomy maybe they should look to save a few quid my making the OBR redundant.

Edited November 25, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[Herman 9,824]

10 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Just an old chestnut returning saying exactly what was obvious at the time.

But according to the OBR now even more so......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/25/uks-flagship-post-brexit-trade-deal-worth-even-less-than-previously-thought-obr-says

Thanks for that. All rather pathetic really, "......would add just 0.04% to GDP in the “long run”, which it defines as after 15 years of membership". The ANZAC one of 0.1% by '35 is nearly as bad. What an absolute con.

And no, the stupid idea of getting rid of the people who provide the data would not make it any better.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,594]

14 hours ago, Herman said:

Thanks for that. All rather pathetic really, "......would add just 0.04% to GDP in the “long run”, which it defines as after 15 years of membership". The ANZAC one of 0.1% by '35 is nearly as bad. What an absolute con.

And no, the stupid idea of getting rid of the people who provide the data would not make it any better.

According to their sh1te forecasts that are never correct.

[Yellow Fever 3,831]

6 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

According to their sh1te forecasts that are never correct.

The OBR was set up by Osborne (a Tory chancellor) in 2010 to keep governments honest on their fiscal policies. 

I guess that's all a bit awkward for some now.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,594]

6 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

The OBR was set up by Osborne (a Tory chancellor) in 2010 to keep governments honest on their fiscal policies. 

I guess that's all a bit awkward for some now.

Pre Brexit they were consistently optimistic. Post Brexit they've been consistently wrong the other way.

This thread is a broken record. Nobody cares.

Edited November 26, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[Creative Midfielder 2,003]

10 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

The OBR was set up by Osborne (a Tory chancellor) in 2010 to keep governments honest on their fiscal policies. 

I guess that's all a bit awkward for some now.

Indeed, so awkward that Truss bypassed them altogether and that worked out really well! 😂😀

[Yellow Fever 3,831]

1 hour ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Indeed, so awkward that Truss bypassed them altogether and that worked out really well! 😂😀

It even worse than that - the figures are actually from this government own calculations - not even the OBR!

"In its latest economic and fiscal report issued last week, it makes its calculation of an eventual 0.04% uplift from the CPTTP on the basis of what it says is the official government position that it “could lead to an increase in UK GDP of £1.8bn in the long run”.

It amazing how deaf some people are when they want to be.

[horsefly 4,311]

On 25/11/2023 at 22:25, littleyellowbirdie said:

What are they trying to prove with these stupid forecasts? What's changed since the first forecasts? When have they ever produced accurate forecasts anyway? Nothing much has changed since the first forecasts, so can we take it they just don't have a clue?

If it's all this gloomy maybe they should look to save a few quid my making the OBR redundant.

Truss made the OBR "redundant" when she refused to consult them on her suicidal economic plan that cost the UK taxpayer around £70bn.

[Yellow Fever 3,831]

Just for fun - and the direction of travel - 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/29/sunak-rejects-von-der-leyens-comments-that-uk-could-rejoin-eu 

[Herman 9,824]

One for @Fen Canary

80% of going rate, and look at the size of the occupation list. Under EU law this was illegal. Under brexit law it's more than fine. "Ever get the feeling you've been had?"

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations