The Positive Brexit Thread

[Van wink 2,994]

6 hours ago, ricardo said:

Unless a closer trading relationship without the political project is on offer, its never going to happen.

Commercial sense will move centre stage as the current political iincumbents on all sides fade away, or as the geopolitical environment demands a closer relationship.The West, and Europe in particular, can't afford to not to take full advantage of opportunities for growth. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

YOU'VE HAD YOUR VOTE, It's too late  😀

[Herman 9,865]

That was the second one. Best out of three.👍

[Surfer 1,547]

16 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

He could in effect overturn the result of the referendum by getting the UK to do a Norway and be part of the single market without breaking his word. He won't go that far, of course. He is an incrementalist.

Which is exactly the "economic integration without the political integration" position.

Of course the included "freedom of movement" letting foreigners back in will still be an issue for some. 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Surfer

[Yellow Fever 3,852]

13 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Commercial sense will move centre stage as the current political iincumbents on all sides fade away, or as the geopolitical environment demands a closer relationship.The West, and Europe in particular, can't afford to not to take full advantage of opportunities for growth. 

It will be seen historically as no more than a tantrum on the road to greater European cohesion. Mo more and no less. Europe will be one of the economic / political blocks along with China, India and N. America etc. Even they will agree many standards and rules in common to allow easy trade between them. Its in everybody's interests

[SwindonCanary 455]

9 minutes ago, Herman said:

That was the second one. Best out of three.👍

Too late 😀

[Surfer 1,547]

Such a move to the center / economic reality is clearly never going to come from these stuffed shirts. An entire generation of entitled by birth, head in the sand, ignore reality, "I'm all right jack", "one rule for us another for you" pack of liars. 

Eaton, Oxford and Cambridge must be so proud of them. 

Edited February 17, 2022 by Surfer

[BigFish 1,990]

3 hours ago, ricardo said:

It's you that seems to have a need to post on this thread everyday. I just pop in occasionally to find the same few people in an amusing but ultimately pointless Eurowank.

And when you do you fit right in

[Well b back 3,310]

30 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

YOU'VE HAD YOUR VOTE, It's too late  😀

So why did you say it’s all down to what the U.K. citizens think, when only 38% now think it was a good idea to leave ?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

18 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Such a move to the center / economic reality is clearly never going to come from these stuffed shirts. An entire generation of entitled by birth, head in the sand, ignore reality, "I'm all right jack", "one rule for us another for you" pack of liars. 

Eaton, Oxford and Cambridge must be so proud of them. 

Well considering we still import £220BN from the Eu yet it is only £250BN from the rest of the planet, then it hasn't altered our trade with the EU much at all. Not as much as predicted anyway. 6 years and little has altered.

Edited February 17, 2022 by keelansgrandad

[Herman 9,865]

18 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Such a move to the center / economic reality is clearly never going to come from these stuffed shirts. An entire generation of entitled by birth, head in the sand, ignore reality, "I'm all right jack", "one rule for us another for you" pack of liars. 

Eaton, Oxford and Cambridge must be so proud of them. 

They've never been in it for people like Swindo or Ricardo but purely for their own greed. They're scum and people like him and Steve Baker are now onto the next grift, trying to persuade good people that global warming isn't real.

https://www.cityam.com/conflict-of-interest-claims-while-looking-for-brexit-opportunities-jacob-rees-mogg-holds-stake-in-8bn-emerging-market-investment-fund/

[Well b back 3,310]

12 minutes ago, Herman said:

They've never been in it for people like Swindo or Ricardo but purely for their own greed. They're scum and people like him and Steve Baker are now onto the next grift, trying to persuade good people that global warming isn't real.

https://www.cityam.com/conflict-of-interest-claims-while-looking-for-brexit-opportunities-jacob-rees-mogg-holds-stake-in-8bn-emerging-market-investment-fund/

Just think @SwindonCanary whilst you struggle away finding £5200 for care home fees, the t**** like this line their pockets.

[(Hoola)Han Solo 324]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Too late 😀

Is that what they said when you were queuing up for a brain? 

[Yellow Fever 3,852]

28 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Just think @SwindonCanary whilst you struggle away finding £5200 for care home fees, the t**** like this line their pockets.

Actually its almost certainly his Mums money not his. That just the way care works.

[(Hoola)Han Solo 324]

It’s because of thickos like Swindon that this government can get away with what they want. As long as these sheep are led to believe that the UK is the only nation that matters, and all foreign powers are bad, they can sweep all their controversies under the carpet. Imagine getting behind, and ignoring the actions, of a Prime Minister who so regularly lies and involves himself in corruption. This government is nothing but arrogant. They’re laughing at people like Swindo who loyally swallow up all their nonsense.

[(Hoola)Han Solo 324]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Too late 😀

This government that you blindly follow, were having parties while you and your loved ones were sat at home for months during lockdowns. They were taking the p iss yet you still believe every word they say. How does that make you feel?

[Herman 9,865]

Any twitter users. You know what to do.

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

3 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Actually its almost certainly his Mums money not his. That just the way care works.

It's my own !

[SwindonCanary 455]

3 hours ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said:

This government that you blindly follow, were having parties while you and your loved ones were sat at home for months during lockdowns. They were taking the p iss yet you still believe every word they say. How does that make you feel?

labour were at it as well 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,614]

7 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

They may be pillars and in theory part of the entry requirements for new members (though they have never been compulsory for existing members) but I think you'll find that whilst the politicians may not have been so blatent as to 'nod and smile' that is exactly what has happened on multiple occasions in the past.

Leaving aside that the UK was never part of either whilst an EU member, of the remaining 27 countries only 19 use the Euro - Denmark has a legal guarantee that it will never have to join the Euro (Sweden as well maybe, not 100% sure on that) and of course a number of the Eastern countries that joined post-Lisbon were allowed to do so on the basis of a very vague commitent to eventually join the Euro at some completely unspecified point in the future and I don't think the EU is naive enough to think that countries such as Poland have got any real intention of ever adopting the euro.

The picture on Schengen is similar although it would be fair to say that the take-up by EU countries of Schengen is better than the Euro, but it still wouldn't be required for the UK. Whilst it works well for the mainland countries, it has always been recognised that islands are a different case.

So Ireland and Cyprus are not part of it, neither was the UK in the past nor would need to be in the future.

The indefinite exemptions from Schengen and the Euro were given to existing members that didn't want it, as they had the power of veto to stop the entire projects being launched at all.

Prospective new members either accept the whole package or don''t join; the UK would be a prospective new member with no power to pick and choose. 

[Creative Midfielder 2,004]

5 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

The indefinite exemptions from Schengen and the Euro were given to existing members that didn't want it, as they had the power of veto to stop the entire projects being launched at all.

Prospective new members either accept the whole package or don''t join; the UK would be a prospective new member with no power to pick and choose. 

Well Croatia has quite successfully avoided both so I wouldn't be so sure about that, especially Schengen which as I already pointed out is highly unlikely to be forced onto any island states and  so is a complete non-issue as far as the UK is concerned.

 

[PurpleCanary 5,606]

9 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

 

I'm genuinely at a loss how it's possible to square a presumption that Starmer would renegotiate the treaty with the EU when he has spelled out very explicitly in the above quote that Labour is not seeking to renegotiate the treaty were they to enter government in 2024. I grant you that Lammy said that, but Lammy is clearly not on message with Starmer here and Starmer has said nothing to support what Lammy said, particularly this week while Starmer has been talking about pursuing post-Brexit opportunities. 

Should also add that the EU has said absolutely nothing to suggest that it would be open to renegotiating with a new government either. 

Starmer is clear that the Brexit treaty as negotiated is not working. As it happens I doubt any fair-minded person would disagree with that assessment, but that is not the point. If Starmer wants to make a currently not-working Brexit work then by definition that will involve renegotiating a treaty that he believes is responsible for that not-workingness. He can hardly make the treaty work by leaving it entirely as it is.

[Surfer 1,547]

But Brexit is two things, first political decoupling (the nonsensical but very emotional part) and second economic decoupling (the much more important part). So he can finesse “keeping Brexit” by minor tweaks to the first part while re-integrating the UK with the main EU economies. 
 

[Surfer 1,547]

10 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Well considering we still import £220BN from the Eu yet it is only £250BN from the rest of the planet, then it hasn't altered our trade with the EU much at all. Not as much as predicted anyway. 6 years and little has altered.

It’s not the imports from the EU that have collapsed, it’s the exports from the UK that have. Hence we have a rapidly growing trade deficit to deal with as well as layoffs and bankruptcies on top of all the tax increases. 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Surfer

[Yellow Fever 3,852]

5 hours ago, Surfer said:

But Brexit is two things, first political decoupling (the nonsensical but very emotional part) and second economic decoupling (the much more important part). So he can finesse “keeping Brexit” by minor tweaks to the first part while re-integrating the UK with the main EU economies. 
 

Quite. There were very hard nosed economic reasons and realities grasped by Conservative governments (Heath to Thatcher) that moved us into the Common Market and ultimately Thatcher's creation of the Single Market. Those reasons haven't gone away at all even if the proper Tory party has and those that remain have lost their senses. 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Yellow Fever

[horsefly 4,326]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-evidence-is-all-around-us-life-outside-the-single-market-is-an-utter-disaster/ar-AATZX78?ocid=msedgntp

The evidence is all around us: life outside the single market is an utter disaster

[A Load of Squit 5,247]

Somebody needs to do something about this.

The biased MSM, especially the lefty BBC keep putting the message eu nice on our screens.

This subversive sublimminal messaging must be stopped, gullible people will be indoctrinated.

 

[Yellow Fever 3,852]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-evidence-is-all-around-us-life-outside-the-single-market-is-an-utter-disaster/ar-AATZX78?ocid=msedgntp

The evidence is all around us: life outside the single market is an utter disaster

"I care about elderly people more than I do pigs, but the principle is the same. Both are victims not – repeat not – of the UK’s decision to leave the European Union. They are victims of Boris Johnson’s subsequent decision, to aid him in toppling Theresa May, to interpret Brexit as requiring Britain to depart the world’s most efficient and benign economic entity, the single market. This had been in large part the creation in 1986 of the right’s hero, Margaret Thatcher, to honour her free-market principles."

[Herman 9,865]

Brexit was all worth it.👍

 

[horsefly 4,326]

10 minutes ago, Herman said:

Brexit was all worth it.👍

 

But, but, but...Gove told us that Brexit would free us from EU bureaucracy and enable us to introduce animal welfare laws that would far exceed those in the EU. You surely don't think he was lying do you?