The Positive Brexit Thread

[littleyellowbirdie 3,000]

If resources were recycled the way remoaners recycle stories, the world would be in amazing shape.

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

19 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

If resources were recycled the way remoaners recycle stories, the world would be in amazing shape.

You've posted that before.

[Daz Sparks 1,531]

17 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

You've posted that before.

He's being environmentally sound.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,000]

2 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

You've posted that before.

Nope; I've never posted that before.

Edited May 19 by littleyellowbirdie

[Herman 10,808]

£4.7billion cost to make it harder to trade with the EU. Well done. 

[Well b back 3,563]

Could’ve put that into the NHS ?

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

23 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Nope; I've never posted that before.

You've posted that before.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,000]

3 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

You've posted that before.

If that's the case, go and quote where I've posted it before and demonstrate it; you must know where it is to be so confident starting from a presumption you're not just posting rubbish, which I know you are having double-checked myself. Failing that, STFU.

Edited May 20 by littleyellowbirdie

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

9 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

If that's the case, go and quote where I've posted it before and demonstrate it; you must know where it is to be so confident starting from a presumption you're not just posting rubbish, which I know you are having double-checked myself. Failing that, STFU.

You've posted that before.

[Well b back 3,563]

Yet more benefits if you enjoy queueing or throwing money down the drain. Were we not told this would never happen as Europe need us to much.

NB I haven’t posted this article before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckmm866p23mo

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

 

[canarydan23 4,584]

Example number 18,673 of a Brexit moron being hoist by his own petard;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-private-school-tax-raid-legal-challenge-b2553088.html

Reform fruitcake Richard Tice wanting to challenge Labour's proposal to tax private education fees properly; the only trouble is, Brexit took away the old route for a legal challenge. Unless he wants to go to the ECHR, something else he is stringently opposed to.

[Herman 10,808]

British paratroops now have to show their passports in Normandy. 

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

7 minutes ago, Herman said:

British paratroops now have to show their passports in Normandy. 

My Great Grandfather didn't have to show his passport when he was taking out a machine gun post with just a Swiss army knife and some cheese.

Bl00dy EU weren't so precious about their rules in 1944, were they?

[TheGunnShow 6,976]

Well, I've been told I could be waiting 6-9 months for a freelancer visa. Meanwhile, Miss TGS took some of the Kendal mint cake I'd left to the clinic she works at and it went down a treat.

Looked to see if I could get some sent over, the suppliers don't send to EU countries. I suspect this wasn't the case beforehand.

Ah well, I'm off there again for three weeks on the 18th. Better hope they deliver in time so I can cram plenty in my case.

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

Oakeshott really is this stupid, it shouldn't be a surprise but somehow it is. 

 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,000]

On 28/05/2024 at 08:02, Well b back said:

Yet more benefits if you enjoy queueing or throwing money down the drain. Were we not told this would never happen as Europe need us to much.

NB I haven’t posted this article before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckmm866p23mo

How do you know? I thought you only bothered asking your MP and that was it.

[Herman 10,808]

Do we need to hire Scooby Doo and his gang to find out why the economy is knackered? 

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

2 minutes ago, Herman said:

Do we need to hire Scooby Doo and his gang to find out why the economy is knackered? 

It was the horrible old man in the dodgy face mask.

[littleyellowbirdie 3,000]

What’s going on with the UKCA mark? I thought it had been ditched, but even my beer glass in the Gironde has it on.

[horsefly 5,087]

40% of UK berry farmers predicted to go out of business by 2026. Despite record sales, the costs of production have spiralled since 2020 making it almost impossible to make the business pay. Can anyone think of an event that happened on January 31st 2020 that might have caused this? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/strawberries-uk-british-berry-growing-b2584303.html

 

[A Load of Squit 5,940]

59 minutes ago, horsefly said:

40% of UK berry farmers predicted to go out of business by 2026. Despite record sales, the costs of production have spiralled since 2020 making it almost impossible to make the business pay. Can anyone think of an event that happened on January 31st 2020 that might have caused this? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/strawberries-uk-british-berry-growing-b2584303.html

 

It's very time consuming putting the UKCA mark on each berry.

[Fen Canary 1,302]

On 23/08/2024 at 19:42, horsefly said:

40% of UK berry farmers predicted to go out of business by 2026. Despite record sales, the costs of production have spiralled since 2020 making it almost impossible to make the business pay. Can anyone think of an event that happened on January 31st 2020 that might have caused this? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/strawberries-uk-british-berry-growing-b2584303.html

 

“Costs of labour, fertilisers, packaging and transport had all increased”

“But growers said they were also suffering from a lack of support from supermarkets.“

Both quotes from the article, so I’m not sure how you linking this to Brexit. How did leaving the EU increase the cost of fertiliser, packaging or petrol? Soaring energy costs wouldn’t have helped, again completely unrelated to the referendum result and forget we’ve had record immigration in the last few years too to cover the losses of cheap labour from ending freedom of movement

[horsefly 5,087]

10 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

“Costs of labour, fertilisers, packaging and transport had all increased”

“But growers said they were also suffering from a lack of support from supermarkets.“

Both quotes from the article, so I’m not sure how you linking this to Brexit. How did leaving the EU increase the cost of fertiliser, packaging or petrol? Soaring energy costs wouldn’t have helped, again completely unrelated to the referendum result and forget we’ve had record immigration in the last few years too to cover the losses of cheap labour from ending freedom of movement

Perhaps try asking farmers. 

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/analysis-7-years-after-brexit-farmers-count-the-cost

 

Edited August 25 by horsefly

[Fen Canary 1,302]

9 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Perhaps try asking farmers. 

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/analysis-7-years-after-brexit-farmers-count-the-cost

 

I’ll repeat, how is Brexit responsible for high fertiliser and petrol prices or the supermarkets driving down the prices they pay to growers, which were the reasons cited in the article you originally provided? 

[horsefly 5,087]

5 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

I’ll repeat, how is Brexit responsible for high fertiliser and petrol prices or the supermarkets driving down the prices they pay to growers, which were the reasons cited in the article you originally provided? 

I repeat, read what the farmers themselves have to say. 

[Fen Canary 1,302]

At what point does it stop being the fault of Brexit, and start being the fault of the elected government who haven’t bothered to fix any issues that have arisen as a result of the changes?

It’s been 5 years nearly since we left, at what point do we stop banging on about the referendum and instead challenge Westminster who have the power to alter domestic policy?

[horsefly 5,087]

20 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

I’ll repeat, how is Brexit responsible for high fertiliser and petrol prices or the supermarkets driving down the prices they pay to growers, which were the reasons cited in the article you originally provided? 

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-02-03/brexit-bites-farming-in-britain-after-cap/

"EU countries remain Britain’s most important trading partners, but non-tariff trade barriers such as phytosanitary checks and documentation have made the import and export of agricultural goods and food more expensive and time consuming. Researchers at the London School of Economics have calculated that during the first two Brexit years, 2020 and 2021, British consumers had to spend an additional £6 billion on food. They say Brexit alone is leading to year on year price increases of 3%. Before Brexit, 77% of all food imports came from EU countries. Once the UK had left the EU, companies in EU countries did not hesitate to pass on the additional administrative costs they incurred.

And things might get worse. Britain is still on course to have a ‘bonfire of EU-law’ by the end of the year. POLITICO reported in January: “Ministers set out work their departments are doing to ‘fully capitalize on our regulatory freedoms and remove years of burdensome EU regulation’”. For food exports this will likely mean that companies will have to supply additional proof that their products are meeting EU standards. And it is anyone’s guess what will happen if England passes the controversial legislation that would allow for the growing of gene edited crops, particularly if it would not have to be specified on the label when a food product was made using gene edited organisms.

Lots of pain for little gain"

Edited August 25 by horsefly

[Fen Canary 1,302]

4 minutes ago, horsefly said:

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-02-03/brexit-bites-farming-in-britain-after-cap/

"EU countries remain Britain’s most important trading partners, but non-tariff trade barriers such as phytosanitary checks and documentation have made the import and export of agricultural goods and food more expensive and time consuming. Researchers at the London School of Economics have calculated that during the first two Brexit years, 2020 and 2021, British consumers had to spend an additional £6 billion on food. They say Brexit alone is leading to year on year price increases of 3%. Before Brexit, 77% of all food imports came from EU countries. Once the UK had left the EU, companies in EU countries did not hesitate to pass on the additional administrative costs they incurred.

And things might get worse. Britain is still on course to have a ‘bonfire of EU-law’ by the end of the year. POLITICO reported in January: “Ministers set out work their departments are doing to ‘fully capitalize on our regulatory freedoms and remove years of burdensome EU regulation’”. For food exports this will likely mean that companies will have to supply additional proof that their products are meeting EU standards. And it is anyone’s guess what will happen if England passes the controversial legislation that would allow for the growing of gene edited crops, particularly if it would not have to be specified on the label when a food product was made using gene edited organisms.

Lots of pain for little gain"

So no mention of fertiliser, petrol or supermarkets gouging the growers, which were the complaints in your article regarding the berries which you tried to link to the referendum.

I’ll leave it there because I know once you start you simply repeat yourself and throw out insults ad nauseam until the other person gets bored and gives up, therefore I’ll save us both a couple of hours by ending the conversation now.

Ill leave you to blaming Covid, the Ukraine War and the time your bike was stolen on Brexit in peace 

[horsefly 5,087]

4 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

At what point does it stop being the fault of Brexit, and start being the fault of the elected government who haven’t bothered to fix any issues that have arisen as a result of the changes?

It’s been 5 years nearly since we left, at what point do we stop banging on about the referendum and instead challenge Westminster who have the power to alter domestic policy?

An absurd comment; Brexit effects didn't stop at the referendum, they begun with it, and they will remain with us as long as Brexit endures. Brexit resulted in fundamental changes that have proved impossible to fix. The second you remove yourself from a single market is the second you erect customs borders and all the massive expense in the bureaucracy required to police those borders. It is why the last government constantly deferred implementing the Brexit border checks in the UK, because it knew the result would have been devastating to the economy. In contrast to us the EU has enforced Brexit border checks with the result that many farmers now don't even attempt to export. Among those are the berry growers you claim are unaffected by Brexit. Highly perishable products like berries often spoil as they await days enduring the massive increase in sanitary and phytosanitary checks on UK goods. 

While Brexit endures there will always be costs that go with it. Costs that farmers will have to shoulder or collapse under. Governments can at best mitigate those costs, but those attempts at mitigation will inevitably cost the taxpayer. There is no magic solution to the inevitable losses incurred by Brexit, so time for people like you to stop pretending we should just move on as if those costs are not real and present. The answer will lie in gradually undoing Brexit.