Watkins- Farke not happy

[Clint 221]

Zimmerman doesn''t seem to struggle with our high intensity training and he was basically a part timer before he came here. Most of the ''hungry'' players seem to be ok from what I can make out.....

[Icecream Snow 761]

[quote user="That Reading fan"][quote user="Clint"]If I had to I could run 12km a day and I basically work 10-12 hour days. If I was working for 4 hours a day and earning £10k a week, I''d probably be able to run for longer.[/quote]

Maybe so Clint. But I gurantee your fitness would soon plateau and start to go down hill without the required rest and recovery, that’s if you didn’t injure yourself first.

And as I said, running 10km isn’t as tough as high intensity activities totalling to the same distance.

I’m sure our fitness team/coaches do know what they are doing. But it’s certainly got its critics from within the squad, and there’s no doubting our injuries have piled up this season.[/quote]When that story came out, Alex Pritchard was quick to point that training at Spurs under Pochettino was massively more intense.We could have wrapped Klose and Pritchard in cotton wool and it still wouldn''t have stopped Cambridge United clogging them. Speaks volumes for Watkins if an eager 18 year old is working harder than him in training, and muscling him out of the squad.

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="Clint"]Zimmerman doesn''t seem to struggle with our high intensity training and he was basically a part timer before he came here. Most of the ''hungry'' players seem to be ok from what I can make out.....[/quote]

Probably correct.

But look at some of the players injured at various times this season - Trybull, Tettey, Husband, Reed, Wes, Lewis, Naismith, Oliveria, Martin, Thompson, plus Jerome, are all of these players not ‘hungry?’

Of course it could all be coincidental. But two youngsters have suffered serious injuries, and a few players have shared similar back injuries.

I’m sure some players like Zimmerman and Pinto are at there physical peak fitness, but it seems to come at a cost to others in the squad.

[Capt. Pants 4,234]

[quote user="Van wink"]Capt. Pants wrote the following post at 19/01/2018 7:18 PM:

The problem with Marley and why he doesn''t get selected is nothing to do with his fitness.

Agreed, but it might have something to do with disciplin and a willingness and ability to follow instructions. All good German attributes.[/quote]

Yes, and also because Farke is selecting players with very good technical ability and specialist skills in specific positions. If you consider our first choice 11 all are extremely competent in those positions. All rounders like Martin, Naismith, Watkins, even Wes won''t get much of a look in. I''ve nothing against Marley, it''s just unfortunate that he doesn''t really have that skill and technical ability. Probably also why Wildschutt wasn''t first choice either, nor Jerome.

[Ray 111]

Typically there is a four week winter break in Germany, there are 18 teams in a league, so 34 games and rarely do they play two fixtures per week, so possibly German training regimes do not suit the English League, 46 league games and no break?

Our head of sports science and fitness is German, as are all of our coaching team.

Just saying!

[Ray 111]

Plus, if my memory serves, a few of our players suffered cramp on Wednesday plus, again if memory serves, we have picked up a few injuries in training.

[Len 74]

If I do a lot of physical activity then I find it essential to have a rest afterwards. For example, I can often be found pottering about in the garden the day after a long shopping trip.

[cornish sam 953]

I would expect mist of our players to cover 10km+ in a 90 minute match when playing a pressing game so to cover that doing drills, training etc. Over a day is really not that much. Hell I walk 7km a day when I go into the office and most of that time is spent on a train or at a desk!

[Tetteys Jig 830]

I would imagine our German sports science guy knows simple arithmetic and has common sense so knows we have more games and to plan accordingly.

If anything, Zimmerman has looked extremely fit in recent weeks, bombing upfield as and when he wants and getting back as well. Even Trybull has based his best bits on being first to every ball and getting that good, simple pass away before he gets tackled. These are all things we wouldn’t be able to do without training harder than the competition.

Perhaps there needs to be an element of differentiation though to the players that focus on fitness in certain positions and players that focus on other things that suit their role. Holty never used to be the best in training as he even admits but I bet you he worked long and hard on aspects of his technique and mentality to transform from lower league tyre fitter to premiership goal assassin. I often got the impression with holty that he was like a dog with no limits on stamina. He looked tired a lot of the time but dragged himself through the pain barrier more than rivals could drag themselves through with sheer determination and validation when it clearly worked for him keeping him going.

[westcoastcanary 173]

[quote user="Tetteys Jig"]I would imagine our German sports science guy knows simple arithmetic and has common sense so knows we have more games and to plan accordingly..........[/quote] [Y] It''s hard to believe that German thoroughness and efficiency are actually nothing of the sort, but involve rigid adherence to training regimes totally divorced from the actual physical condition of the players as revealed by detailed day to day monitoring! 

[Crabbycanary3 994]

I''m sure the Coaching/Fitness staff are well aware of how long our season is, and the dates of the games!

Also, I think it was Kenedy of Chelsea, was the first player to go down with cramp?

[Ray 111]

I would like to think you are all correct re German mathematics, etc. That said, yes Kennedy was first but he''s hardly played, we still had our players go down. Plus, it does feel we''ve had more injuries than most and quite a few in training, probably just bad luck.

One point Cam made was that the regime was difficult for a 31 year old, so from that I assume the regime at Derby is less strenuous?

[BroadstairsR 2,166]

We have to go along with Farke.

He is NCFC now.

I like the man but we can give him x amount of time.

If they are not up to it then ship them out. Webber seems to be efficient in that respect.

A team full of players with DF''s mentality may or may not succeed, but we need to be patient.

[FenwayFrank 2,459]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-players-depressed-jurgen-klopps-9926513

Could someone do that clicky thing please

[lake district canary 4,531]

Every club gets injuries. It varies from season to season and it''s largely a matter of pot luck. I''d rather the players were pushed to the limit than not pushed hard enough anyway and if it takes a while for players unused to the type of regime we have, then tough. It will do them good to bring them up to the standard of fitness required. Any player that moans about it or is unwilling to do the work should either shape up or ship out.

[FenwayFrank 2,459]

We had the same thing with Worthington and Ancelin so it’s not new or anything to do with Farke training regime. More about the players attitude I would think

[nutty nigel 7,534]

Do we have more injuries than clubs who train differently? I''m not sure that we do.

But what is a fact is that our most successful 15 mins in games is the last 15 mins when we''ve scored 10 and conceded 4. 

GOALS PER 15 MIN.   (total)
0-15	GF	4
	GA	2
16-30	GF	1
	GA	7
31-45	GF	3
	GA	9
46-60	GF	6
	GA	3
61-75	GF	3
	GA	6
76-90	GF	10
	GA	4
1st H	GF	8		30%
	GA	18		58%
2nd H	GF	19		70%
	GA	13		42%

''31-45'' and ''76-90'' include added time GF: Goals scored (''goals for'') GA: Goals conceded (''goals against'')

AVERAGE MINUTES (total)
Avg. minute goals scored	57
Avg. minute goals conceded	47

[Hoola Han Solo 448]

Absolute s hit house player

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"]Every club gets injuries. It varies from season to season and it''s largely a matter of pot luck. I''d rather the players were pushed to the limit than not pushed hard enough anyway and if it takes a while for players unused to the type of regime we have, then tough. It will do them good to bring them up to the standard of fitness required. Any player that moans about it or is unwilling to do the work should either shape up or ship out.[/quote]

Completely the wrong attitude. Different players bodies react differently to different types of activity and workload. Some players will be fitter for more rest, and some for more workload.

You can’t tar all players with the same brush. physilogocal differences have to be taken into account, which I’d like to think is happening with a highly qualified sports science team.

Look at players such as Gazza, le tissier etc. Pushing them to the extreme in training would have affected their ability on the pitch. And then there’s your Gary holt, limited in abillity, but a body that could handle huge workloads and develop fitness that more than made up for his slight lack of a abillity.

You simply can’t put two players together on the same regime and critises the player that doesn’t come out on top. Not that I’m suggesting Farke is doing this.

[lake district canary 4,531]

I would agree with that, which is why it will take a while to get a squad full of the right sort of players who can all cope with the methods being used. It inevitably means younger players or at least players that are used to the extra fitness training. It''s a work in progress. I''m sure all players already at the club are being given the chance to fit in with the requirements and that players such as Tettey are being looked after because of any issues they may have, but it must be clear to all that they have to shape up.