Hughton's time in charge of Newcastle

[unique 466]

Hughton carries a promotion with Newcastle from the Championship on his CV! But how much value does it actually hold?

Newcastle were relegated in the 2008-2009 season after a disastrously short period with Joe KInnear in charge, and an even more disastrous period when Alan Shearer took the reins (possibly the worst managerial candidate in the history of the game! as well as being one of the worst ever pundits).

For twenty-one days in September of that ignominious season, Hughton took charge. I know not what his title was, but no doubt he picked and motivated the team.

Hughton was in charge for four matches. Newcastle lost three at home ( 1-2 to Hull, 1-2 to Spurs in the Carling Cup, and 1-2 to Blackburn ), and one away ( 1-3 to West Ham ).

Newcastle ended up being relegated in 18th spot, one point behind Hull............

It can often be argued that a squad looks far too good to go down, and it can be argued that Newcastle''s squad was a case in point:-

Shola Ameobi

Sebastian Bassong

Nicky Butt

Andy Carroll

Fabricio Coloccini

Damien Duff

Jose Enrique

Shay Given

Jonas Gutierrez

Obafemi Martins

Charles N''Zogbia

Kevin Nolan

Michael Owen

Steven Taylor

Joey Barton

Peter Lovenkrand

Hughton took over from Alan Shearer for the new season, and only lost Owen, Duff, Martins and Bassong from the relegated squad. He added Vuckic and Pancrate to the squad pre-season and they promptly started five games between them.

It would be easy to say that this squad would have gained promotion under any Tom, Dick or Harry........so that''s what I am saying.....

If Glen Roeder had been in charge, with Gunn and Grant as his sidekicks, this squad of players would have gained promotion. Newcastle romped home to the Championship title 2009-2010, but they did it with one of the strongest squads ever to find themselves there.

[lake district canary 4,831]

As well as belittling our own manager for what he has done here, why not lets run down all his achievements in his past career too eh?  He was a hopeless defender too in his playing days too, you know.............

[Hoolahans Left Foot 0]

Newcastle did the right thing. They must have seen the guy has no ambition other than making up the numbers

[Dubai Mark 0]

I was then going to bite myself.......LDC agree fully.......its all a bit sad now unfortunately.....

[Herman 11,136]

What''s the point?

His achievement at Newcastle was great. His achievement here isn''t.

Trying to rubbish his past just to prove some weird point is a bit sad.

[Samwam27 606]

[quote user="Herman "]What''s the point?

His achievement at Newcastle was great. His achievement here isn''t.

Trying to rubbish his past just to prove some weird point is a bit sad.[/quote]His achievement here isn''t great. He kept us up in his first season, and finished higher than the great messiah PL, and we''re in 15th now.Not entirely sure what some norwich fans are expecting from us little old norwich!

[Chip20 69]

According to some on here, Hughton saps the confidence out of his teams and turns any free-scoring striker into a useless wilting violet with his negative tactics and clueless substitutions. I''m just left wondering why that didn''t happen in his time with Newcastle...

...or Birmingham.

[Rivvo 265]

So anyone could have got Newcastle promoted but only Hughton could have got them relegated?

[Samwam27 606]

Does anyone with an ounce of noodle think Roeder could have got that Newcastle promoted. I seriously doubt it! I think Blackadder & Baldrick would have had a better chance than Roeder!!

[Mr Jenkins 0]

Chip20 wrote the following post at 10/03/2014 7:39 PM:

According to some on here, Hughton saps the confidence out of his teams and turns any free-scoring striker into a useless wilting violet with his negative tactics and clueless substitutions. I''m just left wondering why that didn''t happen in his time with Newcastle...

...or Birmingham.

Name me a single Norwich striker that has done well under Hughton ?

[Samwam27 606]

[quote user="Brienne"]Chip20 wrote the following post at 10/03/2014 7:39 PM:

According to some on here, Hughton saps the confidence out of his teams and turns any free-scoring striker into a useless wilting violet with his negative tactics and clueless substitutions. I''m just left wondering why that didn''t happen in his time with Newcastle...

...or Birmingham.

Name me a single Norwich striker that has done well under Hughton ?[/quote]Steve Morrison, who was let go

[morty 0]

Grant Holt also scored eight.

[lowlyfendweller 0]

I thought Newcastle looked a good side under him. Though I understand where such sentiments come from the OP is harsh.

[Guest]

So what you''re saying Unique is that if Norwich had a better squad, we would be winning the league under Hughton?

[mrs miggins 0]

Yes, they had the best squad, but if you look at QPR, who look like they have the best squad this season, they''re 3rd or 4th...with a manager who the media, pundits and most of the public wanted for the england job.

[mre2 5]

Having a good team on paper does not always correlate into league position. If they were so good they wouldn''t of got relegated and there were some very big egos in the group to manage. If you look at QPR thy should be walking away with the championship with their squad but they are not.

Hughton achieved exactly what was expected of him at Newcastle. I don''t see how anyone could use that as a stick to beam him with. On the whole most managers don''t achieve what they are expected to achieve!

[unique 466]

Squeal as much as you like but Hughton didn''t build a Championship winning side. He took over from the worst manager in PL history and inherited the strongest squad of players ever to have been relegated from the PL over the last decade.

QPR''s squad of players bear no comparison.

[lake district canary 4,831]

[quote user="unique"]Squeal as much as you like but Hughton didn''t build a Championship winning side. He took over from the worst manager in PL history and inherited the strongest squad of players ever to have been relegated from the PL over the last decade.

QPR''s squad of players bear no comparison.[/quote]

Running down someone''s achievement - which is what you are doing - is pointless.   You can twist it any way you want it but Hughton led a team to the Championship title. It is on his CV, he did it.   Get over it.  

What he did last year was lead a team to 11th. in the premiership.   He did it. It''s on his CV.  Get used to it.

What he is doing this year is leading a team to try and stay in this division. He is four points clear of 18th and has an unbeaten run of five games at home.  He''s doing it.   Get used to it. 

[City 2nd 193]

lake district canary wrote the following post at 2014-03-10 10:59 PM:

As well as belittling our own manager for what he has done here, why not lets run down all his achievements in his past career too eh? He was a hopeless defender too in his playing days too, you know.............

And he has fine what exactly?

[City 2nd 193]

morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 12:18 AM:

Grant Holt also scored eight.

Yep, and having left stated exactly why he only scored eight!

[morty 0]

[quote user="City 2nd"]morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 12:18 AM:

Grant Holt also scored eight.

Yep, and having left stated exactly why he only scored eight![/quote]He still scored eight.Which was the point being debated.

[Warren Hill 0]

How many has he got since he left?

[morty 0]

[quote user="Warren Hill"]How many has he got since he left?[/quote]Two.In 19 appearances.Looks like the Wigan manager is even more negative than Hughton[;)]

[danielsroundabout 9]

even more disastrous period when Alan Shearer took the reins (possibly the worst managerial candidate in the history of the game! as well as being one of the worst ever pundits).

Bit like Gunn''s appointment at Norwich but even then we gave him another season - well a couple of games.

[City 2nd 193]

morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 2:23 AM:

City 2nd wrote:

morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 12:18 AM: Grant Holt also scored eight. Yep, and having left stated exactly why he only scored eight!

He still scored eight.

Which was the point being debated.

And he scored 30 from 44 appearances 09/10

28 from 48 in 10/11

17 in 38 in 11/12

8 in 38 in 12/13 for HUGHTON

WOLFSWINKLE

8 in 28 appearances in 09/10

17 in 34 in 10/11

20 in 28 in 11/12

18 in 22 in 12/13

1 in 14 in 13/14 for HUGHTON

And the common denominator is? Just saying!

[morty 0]

[quote user="City 2nd"]morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 2:23 AM:

City 2nd wrote:

morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 12:18 AM: Grant Holt also scored eight. Yep, and having left stated exactly why he only scored eight!

He still scored eight.

Which was the point being debated.

And he scored 30 from 44 appearances 09/10

28 from 48 in 10/11

17 in 38 in 11/12

8 in 38 in 12/13 for HUGHTON

WOLFSWINKLE

8 in 28 appearances in 09/10

17 in 34 in 10/11

20 in 28 in 11/12

18 in 22 in 12/13

1 in 14 in 13/14 for HUGHTON

And the common denominator is? Just saying![/quote]Perhaps he was less old and fat, under Lambert.[:)]

[City 2nd 193]

morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 2:55 AM:

City 2nd wrote:

morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 2:23 AM: City 2nd wrote: morty wrote the following post at 2014-03-11 12:18 AM: Grant Holt also scored eight. Yep, and having left stated exactly why he only scored eight! He still scored eight. Which was the point being debated. And he scored 30 from 44 appearances 09/10 28 from 48 in 10/11 17 in 38 in 11/12 8 in 38 in 12/13 for HUGHTON WOLFSWINKLE 8 in 28 appearances in 09/10 17 in 34 in 10/11 20 in 28 in 11/12 18 in 22 in 12/13 1 in 14 in 13/14 for HUGHTON And the common denominator is? Just saying!

Perhaps he was less old and fat, under Lambert.

And Wolfy? Rather a lean looking machine IMO, and still can''t score - well not at Carrow road! - so maybe fatter is best!

[unique 466]

Nothing is being twisted.

The question that is splitting Norwich fans, and believe me, from the many I speak to, there are far fewer for him than against him, is whether Hughton is a good manager and should remain at Carrow Road.

His team selections, tactics, inability to change the course of a match or counter the opposition manager''s changes, suggest he is not. He has taken a club that was on the up, brimful of hope and expectation, and squeezed the lifeblood out of it. Fans turn up at Carrow Road with an air of despondency, expecting not to be entertained. Worst of all, he is the sole reason why fans are polarised against each other, not seen since the days of Worthington.

A closer look at his stint at Newcastle suggests he was in the right pace at the right time. How else can the disparity between Newcastle under Hughton, and Norwich under Hughton be explained?

[morty 0]

[quote user="unique"]Nothing is being twisted.

The question that is splitting Norwich fans, and believe me, from the many I speak to, there are far fewer for him than against him, is whether Hughton is a good manager and should remain at Carrow Road.

His team selections, tactics, inability to change the course of a match or counter the opposition manager''s changes, suggest he is not. He has taken a club that was on the up, brimful of hope and expectation, and squeezed the lifeblood out of it. Fans turn up at Carrow Road with an air of despondency, expecting not to be entertained. Worst of all, he is the sole reason why fans are polarised against each other, not seen since the days of Worthington.

A closer look at his stint at Newcastle suggests he was in the right pace at the right time. How else can the disparity between Newcastle under Hughton, and Norwich under Hughton be explained?[/quote]You think quality of squad and wage levels paid could have an affect?Maybe?And there really aren''t far fewer for him than against him.

[Warren Hill 0]

How else indeed.

Anyone would think that different divisions and personnel might be a contributory factor.

A bit like why did Holt score 30 goals under Lambert in one season yet Hoots could only manager him to get 8 ?

What other explanation is there?