Matt Morriss 69 Posted September 28, 2012 RuddyE.Bennet Barnett R.Martin GarridoHowson JohnsonSnodgrass Butterfield HoolahanHolt Lot of changes here which I doubt Hughton would do, the defence needs to be altered tho, I don''t wanna see Suarez up against Barnett/Turner. Maybe Martin RB and Garrido CB with Tierney coming in.Can Garrido play CB??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William Darby 0 Posted September 28, 2012 I''d play Ryan Bennett Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfc1902 0 Posted September 28, 2012 RuddyMartin. Barnett. Bassong. GarridoBennett. Howson. Tetty. Snodgrass Hoolahan Holt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salopian 1 Posted September 28, 2012 If Bassong is not fit, I would be inclined to persevere with Barnett. He is playing as well as he ever has with us, and has the virtue of being quick. The more difficult question is who plays with him, and here I would go for Martin''s skill and experience, rather than the promise of Ryan Bennett. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCFC4LIFE 0 Posted September 28, 2012 RuddyMartin Barnett Bassong GarridoPilkington Howson Tetty Snodgrass Holt Morison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 223 Posted September 28, 2012 I was all excited thinking about the team vs Liverpool, but I now feel very disheartened after today''s revelations. I think it is highly likely that Hughton is going to definitely start with only 1 up front. Now that we''re down to 3 strikers plus Martin I think Hughton doesn''t think he can start with 2.[:(] I know this is supposed to be my team, but I''ve lost heart. I think Tettey and Hoolahan will start ion a 5 man midfield with Hoolahan playing behind Holt. Prediction: Norwich 0 - 1 Liverpool (Gerrard Pen, 69) [:(] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]I was all excited thinking about the team vs Liverpool, but I now feel very disheartened after today''s revelations. I think it is highly likely that Hughton is going to definitely start with only 1 up front. Now that we''re down to 3 strikers plus Martin I think Hughton doesn''t think he can start with 2.[:(] I know this is supposed to be my team, but I''ve lost heart. I think Tettey and Hoolahan will start ion a 5 man midfield with Hoolahan playing behind Holt. Prediction: Norwich 0 - 1 Liverpool (Gerrard Pen, 69) [:(][/quote]Personally I hope we only go for one up front - we currently have 3 strikers struggling for form and goals - whilst Hoolahan, Johnson, Snodgrass, Tettey, Pilkington and Howson have all been looking good in the previous matches. Having one striker isn''t necessarily a defensive move - Arsenal have nearly always only played with one up front and it is impossible to call them defensive. It''s all about getting attacking players close to that one striker, as long as Hoolahan, Snodgrass and Pilkington stay fairly narrow and near Holt (or whoever the striker is) the system can work well - 4-2-3-1 is probably the most common formation amoungst top flight teams across Europe recently, to say they are all defensive or negative is wrong. It''s not about the formation, it''s about the players and the mentality. Barcelona and Spain have shown playing zero strikers can be offensive (an extreme example I know). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vazzza 62 Posted September 28, 2012 If Bassong is fit, otherwise replace with Turner RuddyR.Martin - Barnett - Bassong - Garrido Tetty - Howson Snoddy - Hools - Pilks/Bennet (whoever is fittest) HoltWith 2x DM''s we can really let the 4 front men run riot. i went for howson over Johnson so when we do have the ball we have a bit more going forward, but maybe better having BJ in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote user="Vazzza"]If Bassong is fit, otherwise replace with Turner RuddyR.Martin - Barnett - Bassong - Garrido Tetty - Howson Snoddy - Hools - Pilks/Bennet (whoever is fittest) HoltWith 2x DM''s we can really let the 4 front men run riot. i went for howson over Johnson so when we do have the ball we have a bit more going forward, but maybe better having BJ in there.[/quote] I like this line up.................but Hughton won''t! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 274 Posted September 28, 2012 Stick with a a 4-2-3-1 for me. As Bethnal points out none of strikers are pulling up trees so play to our strengths, which are our pacey and creative midfielders - esp Wessi. Ensure we defend high up the pitch pressuring the ball from the front 6 when we dont have it If Bassong is fit we start with him, otherwise use players in their dedicated positions RuddyRMartin Barnett Bennett Garrido Tettey/Fox Johnson Pilkington Hoolahan Snodgrass Morison Add Bennetts pace in the second half, perhaps butterfield or Howson That is far more attacking than the 442 options we have Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swjf50 0 Posted September 28, 2012 If Bassong isn''t fit to play, I''m sure he''ll pick Turner in his place. It sounds as if Pilkington is also a doubt, so if he isn''t ready Bennett might be considered.I hope Hoolahan plays and if he does I guess we will only play with one striker ie Holt.So I think the line-up will be something like this: RUDDYMARTIN TURNER BARNETT GARRIDO TETTEY HOWSONBENNETT SNODGRASS HOOLAHAN HOLTIf Hoolahan doesn''t start Jackson should play to give us some pace up front. Johnson would be very unlucky to be dropped so he might keep his place and move Howson further up the pitch in place of Bennett who may not be 100% yet. I don''t expect Butterfield to start but he may be a sub.With so many options in midfield the line-up is very difficult to predict particularly the middle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norma Stick 0 Posted September 28, 2012 Ruddy E. Bennett R. Bennett Barnett Garrido Howson Fox Snodgrass Hoolahan Pilkington Jackson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renskay 36 Posted September 28, 2012 RuddyMartin Bennett Barnett GarridoBennett Howson Tettey Pilkington Snodgrass Morison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flying high up in the sky! 1 Posted September 28, 2012 RuddyMartin ---- barnett ---- Bassong ---- garrido Tettey ---- Johnson Snoddy Pilkinton Holt. Moro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flying high up in the sky! 1 Posted September 28, 2012 Like that most of us have gone for tettey to come in to the side. But I would see howson dropped to the bench not Johnson going on this seasons performances. Plus some complaining that we have to play 2 up top and hoolahan must play. How is that possible as he only plays in one position! Playing hoolahan with snoddgrass and Pilks wide with one up top is NOT defensive people! Nobody plays 2 up front anymore 4-3-3 the usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted September 28, 2012 If Bassong is fit then obviously he starts. If not, i would be tempted to play E Bennett at right back and play Martin in the middle with Barnett. Liverpool don;t have any big strikers. Mobility at CB is going to be more important than height and I just don;t trust turner up against Suarez with his ability to run in behind.So I would go for:Ruddy Martin/Bennett Bassong/Martin Barnett Garido Tettey Johnson Snodgrass Hoolahan Pilkington Holt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RvWs 4 year contract 0 Posted September 28, 2012 If Pilkington and Benno are available tomorrow I''d start them both and drop Surman and Snodgrass.Our lack of goals is partly down to Surman and Snoddy imo. They just havent been quite good enough when supporting the striker/s. Wes coming back was a major positive for me at the Newcastle and Donny games.For me I''d try and get back to what worked so well for us last year. Holt Jackson Wes Pilks Fox Benno Gary-do Barnett Turner Russ M Ruddy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted September 28, 2012 RuddyE Bennett - R Martin - Barnett - GarridoSnodgrass - Johnson - Tettey - Pilkington (if fit) if not Fox with Tettey wideHoolohanHolt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lets be aving you! 0 Posted September 28, 2012 Interesting that everyone so far has been in favour of dropping Surman. I agree, because we are lacking in goals (which is where we have missed Pilkington). Also agree on playing Russ Martin at centre back, with Elliott Bennett to come in at right back. So: RuddyE Bennett - R Martin - Barnett - GarridoSnodgrass - Johnson - Tettey - Pilkington (if fit, if not Howson left midfield)HoolahanHolt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gingerpele 0 Posted September 28, 2012 I like Surman, but I really don''t understand how he managed to play 170 mins in the last two games. Should have come off after 10/15 mins in second half of both games. Probably shouldn''t have even started against Newcastle. And I like him, have always rated him but he just didn''t play well enough. He showed what he can do in a few attacking spells but they were few and far between, and he like the rest of our players lacked that extra bit of cutting edge in the final third to beat the GK or provide that deadly ball.I''d go for:RuddyMartin, Barnett, Turner, GarridoBennett, Tettey, Johnson, PilksMoro, Holt.I want Hoolahan to start. But I think we can batter Liverpool''s defence with Holt and Moro, they have a couple of first choice players out (Kelly and Agger), can Carragher really deal with Holt? Probably not. Pilks and Benno out wide to provide plenty of width, pace and decent crossing. Snodgrass and Hoolahan as options if its not working. The one thing I am disappointed in, i regard to Hughton is subs. I''m not on about him not going for it, but he seems very nervous when it comes to subs. I''ve always thought to make a real difference a player needs more than 15 mins, I think if your not winning you really need to be making a change or two on the hour, not sending your players to warm up after 70 mins... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gingerpele 0 Posted September 28, 2012 Oh and I also think he''s very worried about injuries. I think he didn''t make the 3rd sub against West Ham because a couple of our players had gone down under rough challenges, Surman was limping a bit, Barnett as well at one point I think. I am fairly sure he didn''t want to bring a player off with 10 or so mins to go and then have someone go down injured after that. Same at Newcastle, think he left the 2 subs as late as possible after the Bassong injury early on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vazzza 62 Posted September 28, 2012 I''d be a bit worried about Martin at CB for this one. I think his pace would let us down against the likes of Suarez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote user="Wiz"][quote user="Vazzza"] If Bassong is fit, otherwise replace with Turner RuddyR.Martin - Barnett - Bassong - Garrido Tetty - Howson Snoddy - Hools - Pilks/Bennet (whoever is fittest) HoltWith 2x DM''s we can really let the 4 front men run riot. i went for howson over Johnson so when we do have the ball we have a bit more going forward, but maybe better having BJ in there.[/quote] I like this line up.................but Hughton won''t![/quote]You could not be further off the mark if you tried. This is what Hughton has been aiming and planning for since day one. It''s no coincidence that Tettey played that DM position for Rennes and Kane played the middle AM for Spurs U21s, also Tettey said that Hughton''s plan is to play 4-2-3-1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thumbelina 0 Posted September 28, 2012 and now for something slightly different. Ruddy R. Martin Barnett R. BennettE.Bennett Garrido Tettey Butterfield Hoolahan Jackson HoltThe above assumes that Bassong will not be fit, otherwise he would come in for Barnett. Pilkington, Snodgrass/Surman, Tierney, Turner, Morison, Bunn and Fox.It''s only the Scousers at home so let''s go for it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vazzza 62 Posted September 28, 2012 [quote user="Thumbelina"]and now for something slightly different. Ruddy R. Martin Barnett R. BennettE.Bennett Garrido Tettey Butterfield Hoolahan Jackson HoltThe above assumes that Bassong will not be fit, otherwise he would come in for Barnett. Pilkington, Snodgrass/Surman, Tierney, Turner, Morison, Bunn and Fox.It''s only the Scousers at home so let''s go for it![/quote] I quite like this system, although I''d play different personel, with Bassong coming in for R.Martin if fit and Johnson for Butterfield. Think you''ve gone too light on the midfield. Definitely an interesting idea tho, maybe not one to experiment with against Liverpool! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted September 28, 2012 I assume Bassong will not be fit so| RuddyRuss Martin Barnett Turner Garrido Howson. Johnson. Hoolahan. Tettey Jackson. HoltIf we need a plan B then Pilks and Benno for Howson and Johnson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryangunnshairline 0 Posted September 28, 2012 I will be shocked if he does not play either bassong or turner. I get the impression he will always play an experienced defender partnering another. Barnet along side some experience is class. At the minute bassong is the man. But obviously if the injury keeps him out then turner gets the nod. Turner has suprised me. I really thought he would be a top player for us. Time will telMy team :......RuddyR martin. Bassong /turner. Barnett. Garidooo ohhh Snoddy. Johnson. Tetty. Pilks/surman WesHolt /Moro The first player I would prefer. Although still like the Holt/Jacko combo . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrs miggins 0 Posted September 29, 2012 --------------------ruddy------------------bennett-----barnett-------bassong----garrido--snodgrass-------tettey------pilkington---------------butterfield-----hoolahan---------------------------------holt----------------------- i think this is our best team based on form. (howson no so good so far and BJ not so good last game he played, with holt and wes who always work well together). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,952 Posted September 29, 2012 [quote user="Jim Smith"]If Bassong is fit then obviously he starts. If not, i would be tempted to play E Bennett at right back and play Martin in the middle with Barnett. Liverpool don;t have any big strikers. Mobility at CB is going to be more important than height and I just don;t trust turner up against Suarez with his ability to run in behind.So I would go for:Ruddy Martin/Bennett Bassong/Martin Barnett Garido Tettey Johnson Snodgrass Hoolahan Pilkington Holt[/quote]Gets my vote except I would possibly bring little Simeon in for Pilks (who is struggling with a back injury i believe so may not be available anyway). Play more of a 4-2-2-2 with hooly and snoddy given licence to roam. Liverpool defence is significantly weakened although their fullbacks have pace to burn so i think we need to play through the centre at speed, which is why I would put Jacko in as his pace will give them all sorts of problems in the channels and through the middle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thumbelina 0 Posted September 29, 2012 [quote user="Vazzza"][quote user="Thumbelina"]and now for something slightly different. Ruddy R. Martin Barnett R. BennettE.Bennett Garrido Tettey Butterfield Hoolahan Jackson HoltThe above assumes that Bassong will not be fit, otherwise he would come in for Barnett. Pilkington, Snodgrass/Surman, Tierney, Turner, Morison, Bunn and Fox.It''s only the Scousers at home so let''s go for it![/quote] I quite like this system, although I''d play different personel, with Bassong coming in for R.Martin if fit and Johnson for Butterfield. Think you''ve gone too light on the midfield. Definitely an interesting idea tho, maybe not one to experiment with against Liverpool![/quote]I agree that Butterfield instead of Johnson could leave us a little open defensively and that this worry is increased by the likely absence of Bassong. I just felt that last year at home against Liverpool and even at Anfield at times during the first half that we gave the ball away far too cheaply. When picking the above personnel my thinking was that the better possession of the ball offered by either Butterfield or Fox alongside Tettey would result in less opportunities for Liverpool to attack our back three/five.We need goals and they sometimes say that the best form of defence is to attack.I can definitely see where you are coming from though and I also feel that it would be very harsh indeed to drop both Johnson and Howson from the squad entirely.I certainly think that this system offers us a lot, but with Bassong missing and trying to find the most balanced midfield and what each player has to offer in such a new formation would be likely to take some time. I think far too many people have written this formation off due to the half a match that Lambert used it in last season. Well we have a new manager and have signed several new players since then and with all of the midfielders we have at our disposal I would like to see a 3-5-2 considered more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites