Trying to look at the decisions with a level head...

[king canary 8,757]

1st Pen- 50/50 for me, Rusty is trying to get his arm out of the way but it hits it. Bit harsh I thought and if he stopped it going in shouldnt it have been red?2nd Pen- Stonewall, seen a few people suggesting dive, it wasn''t. Forster has been a bit poor here in going to ground like he did and definatley catches the striker, but it would all have been avoided if Doc had actually looked up and not played a shocker of a back pass.3rd goal- Worst decision of the night, at this point we are coming back into it, clear handball, I dont think anyone in the ground thought it was going to be given, Tranmere lot looked a little sheepish.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="king canary"]1st Pen- 50/50 for me, Rusty is trying to get his arm out of the way but it hits it. Bit harsh I thought and if he stopped it going in shouldnt it have been red?2nd Pen- Stonewall, seen a few people suggesting dive, it wasn''t. Forster has been a bit poor here in going to ground like he did and definatley catches the striker, but it would all have been avoided if Doc had actually looked up and not played a shocker of a back pass.3rd goal- Worst decision of the night, at this point we are coming back into it, clear handball, I dont think anyone in the ground thought it was going to be given, Tranmere lot looked a little sheepish.[/quote]1. No, because it wasn''t deliberate handball.  You could argue a yellow was harsh given that a penalty was awarded.2. Agreed. Poor back pass, Forster was too quickly out and then too quick to go down.3. Agreed, if the lino saw the penalty for 1 then how could he not have seen the handball for 3?

[king canary 8,757]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="king canary"]1st Pen- 50/50 for me, Rusty is trying to get his arm out of the way but it hits it. Bit harsh I thought and if he stopped it going in shouldnt it have been red?2nd Pen- Stonewall, seen a few people suggesting dive, it wasn''t. Forster has been a bit poor here in going to ground like he did and definatley catches the striker, but it would all have been avoided if Doc had actually looked up and not played a shocker of a back pass.3rd goal- Worst decision of the night, at this point we are coming back into it, clear handball, I dont think anyone in the ground thought it was going to be given, Tranmere lot looked a little sheepish.[/quote]1. No, because it wasn''t deliberate handball.  You could argue a yellow was harsh given that a penalty was awarded.2. Agreed. Poor back pass, Forster was too quickly out and then too quick to go down.3. Agreed, if the lino saw the penalty for 1 then how could he not have seen the handball for 3?[/quote]I didnt think Rusty got booked, I think Russel Martin did for complaining.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="king canary"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="king canary"]1st Pen- 50/50 for me, Rusty is trying to get his arm out of the way but it hits it. Bit harsh I thought and if he stopped it going in shouldnt it have been red?2nd Pen- Stonewall, seen a few people suggesting dive, it wasn''t. Forster has been a bit poor here in going to ground like he did and definatley catches the striker, but it would all have been avoided if Doc had actually looked up and not played a shocker of a back pass.3rd goal- Worst decision of the night, at this point we are coming back into it, clear handball, I dont think anyone in the ground thought it was going to be given, Tranmere lot looked a little sheepish.[/quote]1. No, because it wasn''t deliberate handball.  You could argue a yellow was harsh given that a penalty was awarded.2. Agreed. Poor back pass, Forster was too quickly out and then too quick to go down.3. Agreed, if the lino saw the penalty for 1 then how could he not have seen the handball for 3?[/quote]I didnt think Rusty got booked, I think Russel Martin did for complaining.[/quote]Yes, you''re right about that.  Then Lambert & his two assistants got sent to the director''s box.  The whole game was a bit like Benny Hill.

[Marty 0]

1. from 2 yards at that pace, no movement of arm to ball - no way is that a penalty.

[Guest]

[quote user="king canary"]1st Pen- 50/50 for me, Rusty is trying to get his arm out of the way but it hits it. Bit harsh I thought and if he stopped it going in shouldnt it have been red?2nd Pen- Stonewall, seen a few people suggesting dive, it wasn''t. Forster has been a bit poor here in going to ground like he did and definatley catches the striker, but it would all have been avoided if Doc had actually looked up and not played a shocker of a back pass.3rd goal- Worst decision of the night, at this point we are coming back into it, clear handball, I dont think anyone in the ground thought it was going to be given, Tranmere lot looked a little sheepish.[/quote]1st decision is a poor decision for me - there is no way the linesman can have seen it clearly from his position, and Russell was about 3 yards from the guy when he hits the ball at him. You can tell from the lack of player reaction that it shouldn''t have been given.2nd decision - clear pen, even if the guy has gone down before Forster has made contact. Shame, as Forster has been superb in those situations this season.3rd (non) decision - absolutely ridiculous. If he can see the first decision, which wasn''t on his side, then he must have seen the blatant handball for this one. If anything, it''s a yellow card and a free kick for Norwich, as you can see by the scorer''s reaction to putting the ball in the net.

[AndyCanary 0]

1) Not a pen. Kicking the ball at a players arm shouldn''t be a tactic. I know that wasn''t the intention but that is the reality of what happened. For me his hand has to move towards the ball not away from it.2) Was a dive. He was in the air before contact. Even if he wasn''t the type of collision it was doesn''t bring a player down the way he went down.. so that for me makes it a dive. But the fact that everyone seems to be forgetting is that the backpass was only poor because of how disgraceful the pitch was!!!3) Was a joke.

[king canary 8,757]

Just seen a replay of the 1st pen and am more inclined to say no pen now than when I first saw it. Still think people calling the second a dive is ridiculous.

[king canary 8,757]

[quote user="AndyCanary"]1) 2) Was a dive. He was in the air before contact. Even if he wasn''t the type of collision it was doesn''t bring a player down the way he went down.. so that for me makes it a dive. But the fact that everyone seems to be forgetting is that the backpass was only poor because of how disgraceful the pitch was!!![/quote]God have you actually seen this? He was not in the air, Forster took him out at the ankles. As for the pitch, Doc knows the kind of pitch he is on and should be smart enough to not play that ball.

[Clever Farke 75]

Try looking at this! It is almost a mirror image of tonights game, same score and type of mistakes too. Either it is uncanny or Idlerton is appalling OR he is a cheat. Take a look:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/4821588.Leeds_United_3_Hartlepool_United_1/

[AJ 1,359]

[quote user="king canary"][quote user="AndyCanary"]1) 2) Was a dive. He was in the air before contact. Even if he wasn''t the type of collision it was doesn''t bring a player down the way he went down.. so that for me makes it a dive. But the fact that everyone seems to be forgetting is that the backpass was only poor because of how disgraceful the pitch was!!![/quote]God have you actually seen this? He was not in the air, Forster took him out at the ankles. As for the pitch, Doc knows the kind of pitch he is on and should be smart enough to not play that ball. [/quote]1) has mentioned was not a peno, he tried to head it, it doesn''t even strike his arm, it''s basically his shoulder!2) He did dive, however, there was sufficient contact for a peno and a red card unfortunately. He did go down waiting for the foul, but Forster made contact, no doubt about it unfortunately.3) WHAT THE ****

[Pyro Pete 2,353]

[quote user="Marty"]1. from 2 yards at that pace, no movement of arm to ball - no way is that a penalty.[/quote]

Damn right.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="book end"]

Try looking at this! It is almost a mirror image of tonights game, same score and type of mistakes too. Either it is uncanny or Idlerton is appalling OR he is a cheat. Take a look:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/4821588.Leeds_United_3_Hartlepool_United_1/

[/quote]

Hmmm interesting

[Mason 47 1,924]

Thomas-Moore saw Forster coming all the way.

He wasn''t in the air but his legs turned to jelly before Fraz got to him, making it a lot easier to go down like Delia was packing an invisible Barrett 50. cal rifle when the goalkeeper finally arrived.

First penalty, we would have wanted it if the situation were reversed but still don''t think it''s a pen.

Third needs no further discussion, shambolic.

[Bill 1,788]

" clear pen, even if the guy has gone down before Forster has made contact.

Idiot post of the night ! A penalty is given if the opposing play causes the other play to fall. had the player not dived I don''t doubt that he would have tripped over Forster but the decision should be made on what happened NOT waht might happen.

If the first was a penalty then why was Russell not sent off for b locking a clear goal ?

As to the third then it merely removes any doubt about the competence of the linesman.

[city-till-i-die 7]

1. what a joke...no movement towards the ball and Rusty was 2 yards away..i think the lineo is a Leeds fan

2. Watch it again and again...50/50 pen but Moore made sure it was.

3. I think the Lineo is a Leeds fan.

decisions like this make and decide a game.

Again it was brilliant to see every City player fight until the end...a small blip the title and promotion will have to wait a little longer

[Lambert is King 0]

And the 4th decision a blatant penalty to us which wasnt given for the trip on Holt, O and Skysports have just shown Martin offside for our goal.

 

Worst reffering / lino decisions I have ever seen

[city-till-i-die 7]

[quote user="Lambert is King"]

And the 4th decision a blatant penalty to us which wasnt given for the trip on Holt, O and Skysports have just shown Martin offside for our goal.

 

Worst reffering / lino decisions I have ever seen

[/quote]i couldnt agree more[Y]

[Captain Fantastic 0]

Every player?
Hughes didn''t look like he wanted to be there.. he was appaling tonight. One pure example was when he lost the ball and instead of running after it to win the ball be he just lightly jogged... pathetic. Russell had a shocker. Doc and Nelson were awful. Despite all the bad decisions. We didn''t deserve anything out the game in my opinion. We had a bad game collectively.

[Jimbo_Jet_Set 0]

1st- Not a penalty. Ball to hand not the other way round. Also what gets me is the ref (who is reasonably close to the incident) doesn''t give it, yet the linesman who is further away does

2nd- By the letter of the law its probably a penalty but I have a personal pet hate of players who knock the ball away from themselves and then look for contact. Thomas-Moore was looking for a penalty all day long and is on his way down before Forster touches him.

Look at the replay-Moore knocks the ball one way and then runs the other to make sure he clatters in to the goalie

3rd- Unbelievable that a "professional" linesman and ref can fail to spot something so obvious.

4th Clear foul on Holt and should have been a penalty

[Canary Wundaboy 1,423]

The missus'' cousin was down from Newcastle so we went for dinner at Frankie and Bennies, then wandered into Squares just before half time with the aim of downing a few and watching a rampant Norwich win. Walking through the door, looking up and seeing the scoreline I thought I''d walked into a nightmare. 2nd half made good tele, but we never looked like scoring enough to get back into it.1) Not a penalty, no way in Hell. Russell was 2 yeards away, arm by side. No chance to react to it, he doesn''t move his hand towards the ball, not a penalty. How the Lino thought he had the angle and the justification to award a penalty boggles the mind.2) Penalty, absolutely terrible backpass, Forster comes out, guy knocks it on then goes down under the challenge. Contact isn''t obvious but no ref in the land will fail to award a penalty in that situation  unless the dive is Tom Daley standard. Moore is a prick for playing for the pen rather than trying to score legit.3) Most obvious handball Ive ever seen on a football pitch. Guy should have been yellow''d for such a blatant offence, the fact that the lino pretended not to see it was just a shambles.4) Was Holt fouled.....50/50 for me, none of the Sky cameras had a good enough angle, and considering the rest of the game no way would the ref give that in our favour.Whole country just watched us get robbed and they know it. Still, Millwall only managed a point, Colchester lost, and Leeds still have to play Swindon. 10 points clear? I''ll take that.

[The gut 0]

I can understand how the pens were given, they happen week in week out throughout the league, some right some wrong. Without the benefit of decisions by TV replays we have to accept that happens to be part of football. Their 3rd goal is just so hard to believe, you shouldn''t need a replay for that to be spotted by one of the officials. The sad thing is that it basically brought an end to any realistic chance of a comeback. Overall the team played well with only 10 men for so long and they still gave me some hope of a near miracle right up to time added on. A strange game that could have gone very differently.

[Smudger 0]

1st pen - Was one that we would have probably been quite upset about not getting if it was up the other end.  Stopped what was more than likely a goal with an arm dangling out where it should not of been.  In my opinion Russell did not do enough to get his arm out of the way of their shot.2nd pen - I agree was a stonewall penalty - feel that it was a bit harsh giving Forster his marching orders though and that a yellow card would of sufficed.  I think that Forster had to make an attempt to get the ball, but it never looked like he was going to claim it and that he did try to pull his arms out of the way once he realised it was likely that he was going to bring the Tranmere player down.3rd goal - Was a shocking decision - clear handball!I also think we should of been given what was a blatant penalty in the 2nd half and should of done better with another couple of chances that we created (Hoolahan''s effort from McNamee''s excellent ball in to the box was very week and Holt should of perhaps done better when past the keeper with just a defender to beat on the goal line).Think that we deserved at least a draw and the dodgy decisions by the ref and linesman cost us tonight.

[ncfc4life 0]

one of the most infuriating bits of the night was koren or whatever his name is post match interview. for whoever diddnt see it he basically talked the biggest amount of bs i have heard in a while and said that apparently the ball hit his chest and might have hit his arm he reckons. Now i hear alex ferguson arsene wenger etc talking rubbish but this is just just ludacris. Meanwhile paul lambert and gary karsa will probably get a fine and maybe even a touchline ban for doing basically nothing while this twat easily gets away with a blatant handball and then just making up a ridiculous excuse!

[The gut 0]

[quote user="ncfc4life"]one of the most infuriating bits of the night was koren or whatever his name is post match interview. for whoever diddnt see it he basically talked the biggest amount of bs i have heard in a while and said that apparently the ball hit his chest and might have hit his arm he reckons. Now i hear alex ferguson arsene wenger etc talking rubbish but this is just just ludacris. Meanwhile paul lambert and gary karsa will probably get a fine and maybe even a touchline ban for doing basically nothing while this twat easily gets away with a blatant handball and then just making up a ridiculous excuse![/quote]

Did you expect the truth from a scouser? you were lucky he was as honest as he was. I wouldn''t have been surprised if he had of claimed to have not been there at all and was in fact round his mate''s house playing scrabble and you can confirm that but he has just left for a round the world trip and has lost his mobile, he''s got another one (don''t know where from) but he had to change his number but he can''t text to him cos he can''t remember his number. Funny thing is he had heard there was someone who looked like him who was playing for Tranmere,and can''t work out how he got hold of his shirt, honest to god la!There is a slim chance you''d have got more honesty from a copper.

[Phyxius 0]

Got some screencaps of the decisions. Pics are as clear as i can get them at the moment.

[IMG]http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8104/divek.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8744/dive3.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/999/dive1x.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4633/handball.jpg[/IMG]

[Phyxius 0]

Try again in firefox.[IMG]http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8104/divek.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8744/dive3.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/999/dive1x.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4633/handball.jpg[/IMG]

[Muddy funster 0]

1st - no penalty - 2 yards away and it even caught Rusty on his chest and rolled down his arm.

2nd - Moore was clever and he lef his leg where it was to MAKE contact with Forster. It was Moore to Forster, not Forster to Moore. Anyone who doesn''t think that, watch it again please. He broke his stride BEFORE contact to ensure contact was made.

3rd - an absolute disgrace of a decision. and he reckons it was his chest. A cheat and a liar.

1/10 for the ref and the Football league need to seriously review the tapes to give this guy a rollicking! But they won''t.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="book end"]

Try looking at this! It is almost a mirror image of tonights game, same score and type of mistakes too. Either it is uncanny or Idlerton is appalling OR he is a cheat. Take a look:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/4821588.Leeds_United_3_Hartlepool_United_1/

[/quote]

I wonder if the ref is a Leeds fan?

[Delia Out! 0]

1st Penalty - Never in a millon years, he is trying to get hios arm out the way, extremely harsh.

2nd Penalty - Blatent penalty, Forster''s shoulder caught Thomas-Moore''s ankle, so definate penalty.

3rd Goal - The most outrageously obvious handball i''ve ever seen! He brings it down with his hand whereas Russell was penalised for handball when his arm was down by his side! Unbelievable!