Ben 0 Posted March 1, 2009 I don''t usually post on this forum but I do drop in from time to time to see how the over half live.I just wanted to alert you to a petition that I have started on WotB. You don''t have to be registered on WotB to sign it so I would like to invite everyone here to add you name if you agree that it is time for the current board and majority shareholders to step aside for the good of our club.We''re staring squarely in the face of relegation and the prospect ofspending the next decade playing football in League One or lower.There will be no squad to build on for next season and no money to start again.Uponrelegation it is likely that we''ll sink to the bottom of League One andface another tough battle just to avoid dropping into League Two.Regardlessof what Neil Doncaster might try and spin, relegation will bring withit the very real prospect of administration and a 10 point penalty. Ithappened to Luton and it can happen to us.I don''tbelieve in burying my head in the sand and simply having faith in amiracle happening. It saddens me when others, the board included, seemto take that attitude.The time has come for the fans tounited and demand the current board and majority shareholders standaside to allow our club the best possible chance to build a successfulfuture.Without fresh investment there is no hope forour football club and without the current shareholders showing awillingness to accepting only a nominal price for their shares therewill be no one willing to invest.I implore all fans ofNorwich City Football Club to sign the below petition requesting thatthe current board and shareholders revise their valuation of the cluband step aside now so there might be time to attract fresh investmentbefore the start of next season.Sign the petition here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barclay_Boy 0 Posted March 2, 2009 signed, and some very good comments by a lot of signees already. looks like we enough people may be at last getting fed up with this current bunch of incompetents to collectively persuade them to go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Who do you expect to replace them?(For the hundredth time) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cottaging Canary 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Gary"]Who do you expect to replace them?(For the hundredth time)[/quote]Exactly. An entire board of directors cannot simply step down - who''s going to run the club?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Cottaging Canary"][quote user="Gary"]Who do you expect to replace them?(For the hundredth time)[/quote]Exactly. An entire board of directors cannot simply step down - who''s going to run the club?! [/quote]One thing''s for sure, nothing''s going to change if we don''t put them under pressure. "Let''s not try in case we don''t succeed" - you sum up the attitude that''s got us into this mess in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted March 2, 2009 surely its symbolic???forget about rocking the boat though ... bad form///except the boat is already holed beneath the waterline... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inch High aka Inchy.. 405 Posted March 2, 2009 My problem with these online petitions is that the people they are aimed at never actually see them so are oblivious to there existance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Empty Mirror 0 Posted March 2, 2009 So what happens if the "Board and Majority Shareholders" do stand down? (And how, exactly, does a shareholder "stand down" as shareholder, anyway?). The Turners'' loans and the bank debt would then become repayable immediately. Cullum has said he''s not interested at present (which may or may not be true). In the absence of new investment from some undisclosed source (and it''s not a great time to be looking) the club goes into administration. And, just for the record, administration doesn''t always mean a nwe club rising from the ashes. There have been clubs that go under altogether.I''m no Board apologist, and might sign if there were a constructive way forward. And no, I don''t have a solution. I''ve posted on here in the past about the "Barcelona" model, which would be my personal preference, but the feedback is invariably that most people don''t have or wouldn''t be prepared to put up their own cash. At the moment, yes, things look pretty hopeless. But that still doesn''t mean putting the loaded revolver to our own heads and shouting "Resign or I shoot" is necessarily the best course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoareyou? 0 Posted March 2, 2009 The board could resign and be replaced by others willing to run the club without any change in shareholdings! It''s got to the stage where that seems the only option.As it stands we are heading not just for League One but League Two as well.We will have no squad come the end of the season...and no money to buy a new one with! And who would want to come and play for a club in our state anyway! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Of course the Board could resign in which case a minimum of about £25m quid becomes immediately repayable. Who is going to find that money appears unexplained in the debates so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Felixfan 53 Posted March 2, 2009 Shareholders are not going to stand down and have somebody else decide how their money is spent. Would you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,746 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Felixfan"]Shareholders are not going to stand down and have somebody else decide how their money is spent. Would you?[/quote]Roger Munby and Neil Doncaster hold diddly squat shares between them,it is somewhere around 300 yes 300 between them.That is the Chairman and the Chief Executive or looking at it another way 40% of the Board.So you are telling me that those two being replaced is not realistic are you?No the reason they will not stand down is the 200K one receives and the 25K the other gets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,359 Posted March 2, 2009 It wont matter in a few weeks whether there''s anyone to replace them or not. We''ll be relegated and in administration, and the only people who can realitically do anything about it sit behind their keyboards and complain that we don''t have a secure form of investment ready to take over. Can I just ask, what makes you think we have one NOW?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coops 0 Posted March 2, 2009 If enough pressure is put on the board they will be dying to sell. It needs to get ugly outside carrow road and then they will accept a lower offer. Either that or when we are relegated and they have completed their (job) the club will be worth bugger all so they would lose even more money. Lets get together. PROTEST NOW! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun Tilly Lace 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Signed, sealed delivered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun Tilly Lace 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Let''s not bloody argue about the merits or the efficacy of a petition, PLEASE. Sign it - and then at least - providing enough fans do so, of course - the board get the message loud and clear that people have had a gutful of their feeble efforts and are crying out for sweeping changes! Don''t sign, don''t protest, and the board will feel that they can just plod along dribbling funds to the manager for as long as they like, until our once great club is Fourth Division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Carrow 376 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Empty Mirror"]So what happens if the "Board and Majority Shareholders" do stand down? (And how, exactly, does a shareholder "stand down" as shareholder, anyway?). The Turners'' loans and the bank debt would then become repayable immediately. Cullum has said he''s not interested at present (which may or may not be true). In the absence of new investment from some undisclosed source (and it''s not a great time to be looking) the club goes into administration. And, just for the record, administration doesn''t always mean a nwe club rising from the ashes. There have been clubs that go under altogether.I''m no Board apologist, and might sign if there were a constructive way forward. And no, I don''t have a solution. I''ve posted on here in the past about the "Barcelona" model, which would be my personal preference, but the feedback is invariably that most people don''t have or wouldn''t be prepared to put up their own cash. At the moment, yes, things look pretty hopeless. But that still doesn''t mean putting the loaded revolver to our own heads and shouting "Resign or I shoot" is necessarily the best course. [/quote]If there were a "constructive way forward" there is absolutely no reason why we would know anything about it. How did we find out about Cullums approach at the very time the club were telling us "nobody`s interested in Champs clubs"? Given the negative reaction Cullum got for going public, do you think other interested parties would? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ca 1 Posted March 2, 2009 Some great comments on that petition, well done Ben for getting it started on the WOTB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted March 2, 2009 I thought that the e:mail addresses were being hidden from the club Ben?May be my mistake? But I thought this is what I read?Imagine my shock when I received an e:mail off Doomy Doncaster in my business inbox this morning.Has to be said that it didn''t stop me sending one back telling him that things have gone a little too far for the patronising tones of "who else"I finished my response off with something along the lines of when is he going to get his over-inflated salary off the clubs wage bill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="IncH_HigH"]My problem with these online petitions is that the people they are aimed at never actually see them so are oblivious to there existance.[/quote]Well Doomy has definitely seen it INCH_HIGH [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Empty Mirror"]So what happens if the "Board and Majority Shareholders" do stand down? (And how, exactly, does a shareholder "stand down" as shareholder, anyway?). The Turners'' loans and the bank debt would then become repayable immediately. Cullum has said he''s not interested at present (which may or may not be true). In the absence of new investment from some undisclosed source (and it''s not a great time to be looking) the club goes into administration. And, just for the record, administration doesn''t always mean a nwe club rising from the ashes. There have been clubs that go under altogether.I''m no Board apologist, and might sign if there were a constructive way forward. And no, I don''t have a solution. I''ve posted on here in the past about the "Barcelona" model, which would be my personal preference, but the feedback is invariably that most people don''t have or wouldn''t be prepared to put up their own cash. At the moment, yes, things look pretty hopeless. But that still doesn''t mean putting the loaded revolver to our own heads and shouting "Resign or I shoot" is necessarily the best course. [/quote]Name one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soldier on 160 Posted March 2, 2009 signed it and the more that do the better. May get some press coverage. Big protest needed march 14th at Plymouth game. Protesting hasnt harmed southampton players performances Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeAreYellows49 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="cityangel"]Some great comments on that petition, well done Ben for getting it started on the WOTB.[/quote]Yes and well done for letting Neil Doomy email my private account. [:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeAreYellows49 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Smudger"]I thought that the e:mail addresses were being hidden from the club Ben?May be my mistake? But I thought this is what I read?Imagine my shock when I received an e:mail off Doomy Doncaster in my business inbox this morning.Has to be said that it didn''t stop me sending one back telling him that things have gone a little too far for the patronising tones of "who else"I finished my response off with something along the lines of when is he going to get his over-inflated salary off the clubs wage bill.[/quote]I got the same thing, and have to say I am fuming about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Smudger"] I thought that the e:mail addresses were being hidden from the club Ben?May be my mistake? But I thought this is what I read?Imagine my shock when I received an e:mail off Doomy Doncaster in my business inbox this morning.Has to be said that it didn''t stop me sending one back telling him that things have gone a little too far for the patronising tones of "who else"I finished my response off with something along the lines of when is he going to get his over-inflated salary off the clubs wage bill.[/quote]I got the same thing, and have to say I am fuming about it.[/quote]Don''t worry Jane... speak to me on Thursday... I have an idea for payback... [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeAreYellows49 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Smudger"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Smudger"] I thought that the e:mail addresses were being hidden from the club Ben?May be my mistake? But I thought this is what I read?Imagine my shock when I received an e:mail off Doomy Doncaster in my business inbox this morning.Has to be said that it didn''t stop me sending one back telling him that things have gone a little too far for the patronising tones of "who else"I finished my response off with something along the lines of when is he going to get his over-inflated salary off the clubs wage bill.[/quote]I got the same thing, and have to say I am fuming about it.[/quote]Don''t worry Jane... speak to me on Thursday... I have an idea for payback... [;)][/quote]Jane? Who''s Jane lol. Anyhow, they say revenge is a desert best served cold, so it should be niely chilled by then lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coelho 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Smudger"][quote user="Empty Mirror"]So what happens if the "Board and Majority Shareholders" do stand down? (And how, exactly, does a shareholder "stand down" as shareholder, anyway?). The Turners'' loans and the bank debt would then become repayable immediately. Cullum has said he''s not interested at present (which may or may not be true). In the absence of new investment from some undisclosed source (and it''s not a great time to be looking) the club goes into administration. And, just for the record, administration doesn''t always mean a nwe club rising from the ashes. There have been clubs that go under altogether.I''m no Board apologist, and might sign if there were a constructive way forward. And no, I don''t have a solution. I''ve posted on here in the past about the "Barcelona" model, which would be my personal preference, but the feedback is invariably that most people don''t have or wouldn''t be prepared to put up their own cash. At the moment, yes, things look pretty hopeless. But that still doesn''t mean putting the loaded revolver to our own heads and shouting "Resign or I shoot" is necessarily the best course. [/quote]Name one.[/quote]Maidstone. Gretna. Aldershot. Scarborough. All football league clubs in the last 20 years. Although new versions of these clubs do exist, they are not the same clubs, some play at different grounds, and they all had to start at a very low level in the football pyramid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Smudger"] I thought that the e:mail addresses were being hidden from the club Ben?May be my mistake? But I thought this is what I read?Imagine my shock when I received an e:mail off Doomy Doncaster in my business inbox this morning.Has to be said that it didn''t stop me sending one back telling him that things have gone a little too far for the patronising tones of "who else"I finished my response off with something along the lines of when is he going to get his over-inflated salary off the clubs wage bill.[/quote]I got the same thing, and have to say I am fuming about it.[/quote]Don''t worry Jane... speak to me on Thursday... I have an idea for payback... [;)][/quote]Jane? Who''s Jane lol. Anyhow, they say revenge is a desert best served cold, so it should be niely chilled by then lol[/quote]Sorry... me losing my marbles and getting you confused with Gazza... [:$]You should see the response I got WAY... it just goes to show why this man is not worth talking to.I will not bite back again until Thursday night though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeAreYellows49 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Smudger"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Smudger"] I thought that the e:mail addresses were being hidden from the club Ben?May be my mistake? But I thought this is what I read?Imagine my shock when I received an e:mail off Doomy Doncaster in my business inbox this morning.Has to be said that it didn''t stop me sending one back telling him that things have gone a little too far for the patronising tones of "who else"I finished my response off with something along the lines of when is he going to get his over-inflated salary off the clubs wage bill.[/quote]I got the same thing, and have to say I am fuming about it.[/quote]Don''t worry Jane... speak to me on Thursday... I have an idea for payback... [;)][/quote]Jane? Who''s Jane lol. Anyhow, they say revenge is a desert best served cold, so it should be niely chilled by then lol[/quote]Sorry... me losing my marbles and getting you confused with Gazza... [:$]You should see the response I got WAY... it just goes to show why this man is not worth talking to.I will not bite back again until Thursday night though.[/quote]lol that''s ok, Jane''s a nice name, just not mine hehehehe.lol we probably got a similar reply from him. I have yet to reply, have to calm myself down first and gather my thoughts. But it will be a cracker [:O][;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted March 2, 2009 [quote user="Coelho"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="Empty Mirror"] So what happens if the "Board and Majority Shareholders" do stand down? (And how, exactly, does a shareholder "stand down" as shareholder, anyway?). The Turners'' loans and the bank debt would then become repayable immediately. Cullum has said he''s not interested at present (which may or may not be true). In the absence of new investment from some undisclosed source (and it''s not a great time to be looking) the club goes into administration. And, just for the record, administration doesn''t always mean a nwe club rising from the ashes. There have been clubs that go under altogether.I''m no Board apologist, and might sign if there were a constructive way forward. And no, I don''t have a solution. I''ve posted on here in the past about the "Barcelona" model, which would be my personal preference, but the feedback is invariably that most people don''t have or wouldn''t be prepared to put up their own cash. At the moment, yes, things look pretty hopeless. But that still doesn''t mean putting the loaded revolver to our own heads and shouting "Resign or I shoot" is necessarily the best course. [/quote]Name one.[/quote]Maidstone. Gretna. Aldershot. Scarborough. All football league clubs in the last 20 years. Although new versions of these clubs do exist, they are not the same clubs, some play at different grounds, and they all had to start at a very low level in the football pyramid.[/quote]Then they all still exist.Kind of contradicting yourself there aren''t you???See where I am coming from???If we don''t get shot of what we have got then we are on a one way route to the lower reaches of the football league pyramid too... it will just take a helol of a lot longer for us to get there and so rise up again.PS - When it comes to comparing a club that gets 25,000 fans rammed in every week to the likes of Maidstone, Gretna, Aldershot and Scarborough do you not feel a little ashamed??? [:$] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites