Too much HATRED on this board.

[SuperWesIrishWizard 0]

I dont really know what I am writing, but I cannot help but feel that there is too much anger and hatred on this board. Im not just talking about pessimism and negativity, we all know that us Norfolk folk can be a tad bit cold and close minded. It just shocks me, even disturbs me sometimes, how low people can really get.

The pure hatred aimed at Matty Pattison is a prime example, now for the record I actually consider him to be pretty shi*te and well down the pecking order (which i am sure he is). But people still drivel on about how he should be banished from the club and from the game for being over the drink drive limit. YES he was an absolute idiot, YES drink driving is disgusting and he should be aware of peoples dissaproval, but the pure contempt and hatred that some people display towards Matty is a little disturbing and reminiscent of a red top hate campaign. Yes there is a very small possibility of him having caused an inexcusable accident (thank god he didnt) but at the same time he has made a big mistake for which he has held up his hands and shown genuine remorse. We have all made mistakes, I bet you all know people that have got in their car after a few drinks, this makes him a class A idiot but not the scum of society. He hasn''t peddled heroin to 13 year olds on the Larkman, he hasn''t beaten up an 80 year old woman for her life savings, he hasn''t sexually abused a minor, and he certainly is not evil and twisted like Joey Barton.  I seem to remember people quickly forgiving Andy Johnson for beating up a taxi driver. The truth is he is a decent man who has made a foolish mistake and will not make the same mistake again. The earliest morals of human society (religion) preeched forgiveness. If people cannot forgive this then how has our society become so devioid of understanding and tolerance?

Another example would be Chris Martin, who people have labelled a ''thug'' and a ''hooligan'' purely on the basis that he was banned from one pub (yes one pub, which automatically means all pubs in the area) for an offence which was not deemed against the law to the degree that he would face prosecution. In other words he probably had an altercation of some sort, which probably means that a few fists were thrown in anger. Nobody knows the details, how do we know whether Chris was not set upon by a drunken local and then decided to defend himself? Ok in this circumstance you should walk away, but which of you red blooded males can honestly hold your hand up and say that you havent had a bit of push and shove in your time? How many people on here can honestly say that they didnt have a fight or two between the age of 16 and 21?  Yes you had probably had a drink or two but maybe it was a night where it was deemed appropriate for Chris to have had a few beers? If we were all northern and followed rugby then fighting out on the piss is a usual and commonplace occurance, yet rugby players are all ''angels'' because they earn a little less money and draw a bit of blood for the cause?  Did Chris Martin set upon a reveller and land 20 blows on his innocent victim in a fit of uncontrollable violent rage? unlikely as otherwise there would be a victim with his story in the News of The World and young Mr Martin would be on the news presented before a press conference before entering a crown court room for a GBH trial. He wasnt though was he? As stated by police, there was an incident and nobody was charged. Lack of evidence? Not likely, if there was a serious offence then the police would ask the public for witnesses to come forward.  

Just another quick sentence for emphasise...... If you have answered ''No'' when asked ''Have you not had a bit of push and shove in your time'' then ask yourself whether you are the type of person that could walk out in front of 25 thousand people and played against 6 foot 3 defenders with noses that have been broken three times.  I am not a fighter, but I have been out enough with groups of lads to have had a bit of stick from other groups of lads, which have very occassionally resulted in fights..... it is not within the culture of my friends to fight regularly, but one occassion as an example, would be when one of the group was jumped by a random bloke and headbutted on the floor. Would the others in the group stand there and allow it to happen? of course not, we gave the random bloke a little hiding for his trouble - because footballer or no footballer you are defensive of your friends using any means necessary if you are a normal person.

DELIA...... People have the right to despise delia, people can disagree with her actions, people can want her out of the boardroom, but does she deserve some of the disgusting insults that she recieved on a personal level? No she doesnt, nobody does.  Some of the people talking about Delia in certain ways should seriously consider sending her an email, via Neil Doncaster, apologising for the pure vitriol and spite aimed at her.  I will say no more about the subject, I am not exactly pro delia myself, but some people on this board took the abuse of delia to a new low, to discussing lows in fact.  I bet the same people moan about those ''bleedin immigrants'' and walk around sneering at everybody they meet on the way to their local boozer to sit in the corner sipping John Smiths on their own whilst reading the daily mail and moaning about everything that is wrong with society.  Delia deserves an apology from certain sections of this board NOT for discontent and people disagreeing, but for PERSONAL ATTACKS, which quite frankly amounted to bullying and in some cases libel. Yeah yeah yeah so im a delia lover blah blah blah.

I just hope that certain people go to their grave having found a little compassion, a little open mindedness, a little empathy and understanding for fellow human beings.

My huge rant is over. Destroy me like a pack of wolves if you so wish!

[Ex-greenoschin 0]

No need to destroy you SWIW,, yes there has been a lot of negativity but when it comes to people spitting bile it is generally the same posters time after time repeating the same thing . It just seems like a lot of posters,LOL!

Here''s looking forward to Andy D''urso blowing the whistle at 3pm Saturday........." Kick it off "

OTBC

[Beauseant 0]

Superb post,SuperWes! Unfortunately we live in a society where someone always has to be to blame for whatever it is that has upset us,or we don''t like,and the advent of the internet has allowed for the development of a whole hoard of "keyboard warriors" (no need to name names....its pretty obvious from a cursory scan of the threads who the prime examples are) who can produce insult and vitriol from the safety of total anonymity.

The forum should be about debate,not personal attacks.

[Fig Roll 0]

Damned good post SWIW and obviously heart felt considering you must have been up all night writing it!!

[macdougalls perm 0]

Good post!

Now cue a load of irrelevant rubbish about you being a Delia worshipper.

[macdougalls perm 0]

That was a pretty unfunny joke by the way - just to explain. [:)]

[CID 0]

Message boards are wonderful channels for anonymous pesonal bile,aren''t they[:$]

[ncfcstar 342]

Great post SuperWes, although forums give people a place to rant, so some of the things that have been said are probably people feeling the same about situations (i.e. Martin etc) as you do about what has been said.

[Evil Monkey 52]

Well said Wes, although:

"He hasnt peddled heroin to 13 year olds on the Larkman, he hasnt beaten

up an 80 year old woman for her life savings, he has sexually abused a

minor"

Bet you wish there was an edit button now..... [;)]

Good post though, but unfortunately I don''t think the core of posters

who are mostly responsible for this vitriol will pay any

attention.  Your post will be skimmed over, they''ll see the word

"Delia" and they''ll come back with "you love Delia" and spend 10 pages

suggesting you work for the club...

[First Jedi 0]

Far too much sense and intelligence for this board... Wheres the fun?!?! [;)]

[. 0]

 

Get a grip for heavens sake. Life just ain''t fair and it''s easier when you come to understand that.

0/10 for being such a sissy.

[Robert N. LiM 6,282]

SuperWes 3 (Intelligence 53, Thoughtfulness 70, Cluck og 90) Neil Cluckcaster 0

[Thecanaryfan 0]

Well said. There are some on here who venture below the belt sometimes. And Im probably one of them.......

However you seem to think people dispise Pattison for what he has done off the pitch. This is not really the case......I think most would agree that we dislike what he does on it. He deserves a slating after some of his recent performances. Rightly so.

[Arthur Whittle 0]

[quote user="SuperWesIrishWizard"]I dont really know what I am writing, but I cannot help but feel that there is too much anger and hatred on this board. Im not just talking about pessimism and negativity, we all know that us Norfolk folk can be a tad bit cold and close minded. It just shocks me, even disturbs me sometimes, how low people can really get.

The pure hatred aimed at Matty Pattison is a prime example, now for the record I actually consider him to be pretty shi*te and well down the pecking order (which i am sure he is). But people still drivel on about how he should be banished from the club and from the game for being over the drink drive limit. YES he was an absolute idiot, YES drink driving is disgusting and he should be aware of peoples dissaproval, but the pure contempt and hatred that some people display towards Matty is a little disturbing and reminiscent of a red top hate campaign. Yes there is a very small possibility of him having caused an inexcusable accident (thank god he didnt) but at the same time he has made a big mistake for which he has held up his hands and shown genuine remorse. We have all made mistakes, I bet you all know people that have got in their car after a few drinks, this makes him a class A idiot but not the scum of society. He hasn''t peddled heroin to 13 year olds on the Larkman, he hasn''t beaten up an 80 year old woman for her life savings, he hasn''t sexually abused a minor, and he certainly is not evil and twisted like Joey Barton.  I seem to remember people quickly forgiving Andy Johnson for beating up a taxi driver. The truth is he is a decent man who has made a foolish mistake and will not make the same mistake again. The earliest morals of human society (religion) preeched forgiveness. If people cannot forgive this then how has our society become so devioid of understanding and tolerance?

Another example would be Chris Martin, who people have labelled a ''thug'' and a ''hooligan'' purely on the basis that he was banned from one pub (yes one pub, which automatically means all pubs in the area) for an offence which was not deemed against the law to the degree that he would face prosecution. In other words he probably had an altercation of some sort, which probably means that a few fists were thrown in anger. Nobody knows the details, how do we know whether Chris was not set upon by a drunken local and then decided to defend himself? Ok in this circumstance you should walk away, but which of you red blooded males can honestly hold your hand up and say that you havent had a bit of push and shove in your time? How many people on here can honestly say that they didnt have a fight or two between the age of 16 and 21?  Yes you had probably had a drink or two but maybe it was a night where it was deemed appropriate for Chris to have had a few beers? If we were all northern and followed rugby then fighting out on the piss is a usual and commonplace occurance, yet rugby players are all ''angels'' because they earn a little less money and draw a bit of blood for the cause?  Did Chris Martin set upon a reveller and land 20 blows on his innocent victim in a fit of uncontrollable violent rage? unlikely as otherwise there would be a victim with his story in the News of The World and young Mr Martin would be on the news presented before a press conference before entering a crown court room for a GBH trial. He wasnt though was he? As stated by police, there was an incident and nobody was charged. Lack of evidence? Not likely, if there was a serious offence then the police would ask the public for witnesses to come forward.  

Just another quick sentence for emphasise...... If you have answered ''No'' when asked ''Have you not had a bit of push and shove in your time'' then ask yourself whether you are the type of person that could walk out in front of 25 thousand people and played against 6 foot 3 defenders with noses that have been broken three times.  I am not a fighter, but I have been out enough with groups of lads to have had a bit of stick from other groups of lads, which have very occassionally resulted in fights..... it is not within the culture of my friends to fight regularly, but one occassion as an example, would be when one of the group was jumped by a random bloke and headbutted on the floor. Would the others in the group stand there and allow it to happen? of course not, we gave the random bloke a little hiding for his trouble - because footballer or no footballer you are defensive of your friends using any means necessary if you are a normal person.

DELIA...... People have the right to despise delia, people can disagree with her actions, people can want her out of the boardroom, but does she deserve some of the disgusting insults that she recieved on a personal level? No she doesnt, nobody does.  Some of the people talking about Delia in certain ways should seriously consider sending her an email, via Neil Doncaster, apologising for the pure vitriol and spite aimed at her.  I will say no more about the subject, I am not exactly pro delia myself, but some people on this board took the abuse of delia to a new low, to discussing lows in fact.  I bet the same people moan about those ''bleedin immigrants'' and walk around sneering at everybody they meet on the way to their local boozer to sit in the corner sipping John Smiths on their own whilst reading the daily mail and moaning about everything that is wrong with society.  Delia deserves an apology from certain sections of this board NOT for discontent and people disagreeing, but for PERSONAL ATTACKS, which quite frankly amounted to bullying and in some cases libel. Yeah yeah yeah so im a delia lover blah blah blah.

I just hope that certain people go to their grave having found a little compassion, a little open mindedness, a little empathy and understanding for fellow human beings.

My huge rant is over. Destroy me like a pack of wolves if you so wish!
[/quote]

I agree that name calling is bad but unfortunately that''s the nature of the beast, we all have to deal with it in life and if she went into the job thinking its all back-slaps and hugs than more fool her, remember the names Chase was called? I personally find the lies coming from the club to people who pay good money to watch there team more insulting,dont you?

[Arthur Whittle 0]

[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

[quote user="SuperWesIrishWizard"]I dont really know what I am writing, but I cannot help but feel that there is too much anger and hatred on this board. Im not just talking about pessimism and negativity, we all know that us Norfolk folk can be a tad bit cold and close minded. It just shocks me, even disturbs me sometimes, how low people can really get.

The pure hatred aimed at Matty Pattison is a prime example, now for the record I actually consider him to be pretty shi*te and well down the pecking order (which i am sure he is). But people still drivel on about how he should be banished from the club and from the game for being over the drink drive limit. YES he was an absolute idiot, YES drink driving is disgusting and he should be aware of peoples dissaproval, but the pure contempt and hatred that some people display towards Matty is a little disturbing and reminiscent of a red top hate campaign. Yes there is a very small possibility of him having caused an inexcusable accident (thank god he didnt) but at the same time he has made a big mistake for which he has held up his hands and shown genuine remorse. We have all made mistakes, I bet you all know people that have got in their car after a few drinks, this makes him a class A idiot but not the scum of society. He hasn''t peddled heroin to 13 year olds on the Larkman, he hasn''t beaten up an 80 year old woman for her life savings, he hasn''t sexually abused a minor, and he certainly is not evil and twisted like Joey Barton.  I seem to remember people quickly forgiving Andy Johnson for beating up a taxi driver. The truth is he is a decent man who has made a foolish mistake and will not make the same mistake again. The earliest morals of human society (religion) preeched forgiveness. If people cannot forgive this then how has our society become so devioid of understanding and tolerance?

Another example would be Chris Martin, who people have labelled a ''thug'' and a ''hooligan'' purely on the basis that he was banned from one pub (yes one pub, which automatically means all pubs in the area) for an offence which was not deemed against the law to the degree that he would face prosecution. In other words he probably had an altercation of some sort, which probably means that a few fists were thrown in anger. Nobody knows the details, how do we know whether Chris was not set upon by a drunken local and then decided to defend himself? Ok in this circumstance you should walk away, but which of you red blooded males can honestly hold your hand up and say that you havent had a bit of push and shove in your time? How many people on here can honestly say that they didnt have a fight or two between the age of 16 and 21?  Yes you had probably had a drink or two but maybe it was a night where it was deemed appropriate for Chris to have had a few beers? If we were all northern and followed rugby then fighting out on the piss is a usual and commonplace occurance, yet rugby players are all ''angels'' because they earn a little less money and draw a bit of blood for the cause?  Did Chris Martin set upon a reveller and land 20 blows on his innocent victim in a fit of uncontrollable violent rage? unlikely as otherwise there would be a victim with his story in the News of The World and young Mr Martin would be on the news presented before a press conference before entering a crown court room for a GBH trial. He wasnt though was he? As stated by police, there was an incident and nobody was charged. Lack of evidence? Not likely, if there was a serious offence then the police would ask the public for witnesses to come forward.  

Just another quick sentence for emphasise...... If you have answered ''No'' when asked ''Have you not had a bit of push and shove in your time'' then ask yourself whether you are the type of person that could walk out in front of 25 thousand people and played against 6 foot 3 defenders with noses that have been broken three times.  I am not a fighter, but I have been out enough with groups of lads to have had a bit of stick from other groups of lads, which have very occassionally resulted in fights..... it is not within the culture of my friends to fight regularly, but one occassion as an example, would be when one of the group was jumped by a random bloke and headbutted on the floor. Would the others in the group stand there and allow it to happen? of course not, we gave the random bloke a little hiding for his trouble - because footballer or no footballer you are defensive of your friends using any means necessary if you are a normal person.

DELIA...... People have the right to despise delia, people can disagree with her actions, people can want her out of the boardroom, but does she deserve some of the disgusting insults that she recieved on a personal level? No she doesnt, nobody does.  Some of the people talking about Delia in certain ways should seriously consider sending her an email, via Neil Doncaster, apologising for the pure vitriol and spite aimed at her.  I will say no more about the subject, I am not exactly pro delia myself, but some people on this board took the abuse of delia to a new low, to discussing lows in fact.  I bet the same people moan about those ''bleedin immigrants'' and walk around sneering at everybody they meet on the way to their local boozer to sit in the corner sipping John Smiths on their own whilst reading the daily mail and moaning about everything that is wrong with society.  Delia deserves an apology from certain sections of this board NOT for discontent and people disagreeing, but for PERSONAL ATTACKS, which quite frankly amounted to bullying and in some cases libel. Yeah yeah yeah so im a delia lover blah blah blah.

I just hope that certain people go to their grave having found a little compassion, a little open mindedness, a little empathy and understanding for fellow human beings.

My huge rant is over. Destroy me like a pack of wolves if you so wish!
[/quote]

I agree that name calling is bad but unfortunately that''s the nature of the beast, we all have to deal with it in life and if she went into the job thinking its all back-slaps and hugs than more fool her, remember the names Chase was called? I personally find the lies coming from the club to people who pay good money to watch there team more insulting,dont you?

[/quote]

Also may i add that you go off on one about people getting hit up about the board and then make the assumption tht all people who have strong opinions on the board are sad old right wing loaners just because there opinion doesn''t suit you.....pot and kettleprings to mind with your underhanded insult.

[Paul Lamberts Disciple 0]

Message boards are full of bile because they remove people from responsibility. Don''t criticise people, criticise human nature. I don''t buy the notion that MBs are a natural pooling of individuals of a more bitter and jaded outlook. In my view, this is largely how people would always treat each other if the same freedom from any consequences were available in daily life.

Also, note that I skimmed your sickeningly puritanical post and found that (lo and behold) you are a rabid Delia lover who blatantly works for the club.

[Match Day Pie 0]

[quote user="Jim Duffy"]

Message boards are full of bile because they remove people from responsibility. Don''t criticise people, criticise human nature. I don''t buy the notion that MBs are a natural pooling of individuals of a more bitter and jaded outlook. In my view, this is largely how people would always treat each other if the same freedom from any consequences were available in daily life.

Also, note that I skimmed your sickeningly puritanical post and found that (lo and behold) you are a rabid Delia lover who blatantly works for the club.

[/quote]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who has to link it all to Delia.

[Paul Lamberts Disciple 0]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who misses the point, time and time again.

[Ivana_rubyatitz 6]

[quote user="Match Day Pie"][quote user="Jim Duffy"]

Message boards are full of bile because they remove people from responsibility. Don''t criticise people, criticise human nature. I don''t buy the notion that MBs are a natural pooling of individuals of a more bitter and jaded outlook. In my view, this is largely how people would always treat each other if the same freedom from any consequences were available in daily life.

Also, note that I skimmed your sickeningly puritanical post and found that (lo and behold) you are a rabid Delia lover who blatantly works for the club.

[/quote]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who has to link it all to Delia.

[/quote]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who cant spot sarcasm when it stares them in the face? [;)]

[Ivana_rubyatitz 6]

[quote user="Jim Duffy"]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who misses the point, time and time again.

[/quote]

Dam you sir and your fast typing skills!

[Ivana_rubyatitz 6]

[quote user="SuperWesIrishWizard"]

the pure contempt and hatred that some people display towards Matty is a little disturbing and reminiscent of a red top hate campaign...he certainly is not evil and twisted like Joey Barton.  

[/quote]

SWIW - I am certainly not going to have a go at you for what is clearly a heartfelt post which made for interesting and thought provoking reading. 

I do though find a certain inconsistency in your argument as highlighted above.  Yes Barton is a thug and an appalling role model but evil? twisted?  Surely you are demonstrating the same sort of red tope hyperbole that the rest of your post is critical of?  Hitler, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Harold Shipman etc were evil and twisted but if we are to extend the definition to every two bit moron who is over quick to use their fists then these words lose meaning when applied to those sort of people.

I do not in any way condone Barton''s behaviour for which he has been rightly punished by the law - but lets keep a sense of perspective on what is evil and what is merely moronic.

Otherwise an excellent post though with which I found much to agree. [Y]

[Taxing 0]

To be honest I though your post was a bit wet and verging on the maudlin''.

The main issue I have with your post is that you generalise too much. Of course there are some extreme views expressed on this MB from time to time but mostly that isn''t the case and I rarely come across hatred. Pattison came in for alot of stick after the Spurs match and although I did not post anything on the subject I have to say that his performance was alarmingly poor. Anyway, he''s a grown man, old enough to have too much to drink and then drive so he''s mature enough not only to shrug criticism off but also to treat most of it with disdain. In other words, I don''t think he or Delia or anybody else needs your protection even if what you say is well meant. Now feck off you toe rag ! (sorry, only joking, couldn''t resist ending with a bit of vitriol)

[macdougalls perm 0]

[quote user="Jim Duffy"]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who misses the point, time and time again.

[/quote]

Yeah, for what it''s worth, I thought it was a funny gag. Much better version of what I tried to do on this thread when half asleep this morning. [:$]

[Match Day Pie 0]

[quote user="Pboro_Canary"][quote user="Match Day Pie"][quote user="Jim Duffy"]

Message boards are full of bile because they remove people from responsibility. Don''t criticise people, criticise human nature. I don''t buy the notion that MBs are a natural pooling of individuals of a more bitter and jaded outlook. In my view, this is largely how people would always treat each other if the same freedom from any consequences were available in daily life.

Also, note that I skimmed your sickeningly puritanical post and found that (lo and behold) you are a rabid Delia lover who blatantly works for the club.

[/quote]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who has to link it all to Delia.

[/quote]

*Yawn*

Another muppet who cant spot sarcasm when it stares them in the face? [;)]

[/quote]

I''ll take your irony and double it, sir....

[. 0]

[quote user="Robert N. LiM"]SuperWes 3 (Intelligence 53, Thoughtfulness 70, Cluck og 90) Neil Cluckcaster 0
[/quote]

I thang you.........     [Y]

 

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="Jim Duffy"]

Message boards are full of bile because they remove people from responsibility. Don''t criticise people, criticise human nature. I don''t buy the notion that MBs are a natural pooling of individuals of a more bitter and jaded outlook. In my view, this is largely how people would always treat each other if the same freedom from any consequences were available in daily life.

Also, note that I skimmed your sickeningly puritanical post and found that (lo and behold) you are a rabid Delia lover who blatantly works for the club.

[/quote]

You and I rarely see eye to eye on here Mr Duffy but on this occasion we certainly do. I do believe that posters who are constantly spitting hatred and bile probably would behave like that in real life if they could. It''s rather like the old saying "he''s ok until he has drink inside him". I''m afraid I believe that a few pints doesn''t really change someones character, it just drops their guard. They behave the way they feel deep down.

It''s ok to have no standards if messageboard life never crosses into reality but of course it does over and over. And some of the lies that began on messageboards spilled over into reality during the nWorthy Out Campaign causing shameful violent scenes around the ground.

Messageboard life is reality. We are real people and supporting Norwich City is not a fantasy to most of us. My good friend Arrdee say''s I bite really hard to posters here sometimes and I know I do but I would never say anything I wouldn''t say to their faces. And I would not say anything on here about Robert Chase, Nigel Worthington, Delia Smith, Matty Pattison or any of the other scapegoats that I wouldn''t say to them in person either. Surely we should all have this resposibility but I guess it''s down to the consience of the individual poster.

 

 

[As my login causes problems [ :o) ] 0]

Super Wes if we ignore the hypocracy of not condemning Martin but then proceeding to damn Barton, or indeed some of your fellow posters, you still miss the mark on the fact that it is right and proper to debate the issues you mention.

Clearly there is interest in footballers drinking and driving, or getting in "bother" and we all read the stories in the tabloids about Premiership stars as much as we do in the local papers about City stars.

There is a distinction between the unsubstantiated rumours of say Crouch (Doritos incident), Cole (various sexual matters) and those that result in confirmed stories/incidents like Barton and Collymore.  However the incidents you refer to all fall in the latter group (the Martin incident clearly did happen).

It then follows that some people will have strong feelings on these matters, whether from no background or personal history of things that have happened to people they love.  Can they be expected not to refer to it? 

For me if any of our players were proved to be paedophiles then rest assured I would be more vitriolic than anything you have read on here and certainly I do not expect to have a certain ex-Arsenal player anywhere near this club.

Is that hatred?

Probably but will you change me by a post on here? No, nor neither can I change your views on your fellow posters.

This whole thread is more about the fact that we have nothing better to write about!

 

 

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="face"]

For me if any of our players were proved to be paedophiles then rest assured I would be more vitriolic than anything you have read on here and certainly I do not expect to have a certain ex-Arsenal player anywhere near this club.

Is that hatred?

Probably but will you change me by a post on here? No, nor neither can I change your views on your fellow posters.

This whole thread is more about the fact that we have nothing better to write about!

 

 

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So which player is the alleged paedophile then face[:^)]

 

 

I know you were just making a point..

but so am I [;)]

 

[As my login causes problems [ :o) ] 0]

Fair point too NN, but my point as you know .... was that it has to be proved rather than just someone making up a story.

 

[Paul Lamberts Disciple 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

 I''m afraid I believe that a few pints doesn''t really change someones

character, it just drops their guard. They behave the way they feel

deep down.

[/quote]Totally agree Nigel.You''ll find plenty of real life vitriol in Carrow Rd, usually in the Barclay. You''ll also find your more reasonable and relaxed supporters, usually in the River End. OK, thats a sweeping generalization but I''m far too lazy to do things properly.This MB is probably a decent cross section of our fans; though I don''t know where Bly fits into the picture.