dylanisabaddog 4,965 Posted March 17 P16 W11. D4. L1. points 37 thats 2.31 points per game Leicester are currently top on 2.2 points per game. If Josh had been fit throughout and we'd achieved 2.31 points per game we would currently be top with 85 points 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Satriales 681 Posted March 17 His injury had a massive impact on us, that is for sure. He would have been comfortably our top scorer by now, although he is now on course for that if he stays fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,239 Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: P16 W11. D4. L1. points 37 thats 2.31 points per game Leicester are currently top on 2.2 points per game. If Josh had been fit throughout and we'd achieved 2.31 points per game we would currently be top with 85 points He’s our best player IMO, shades it over Sara for me. A striker who can score 25+ goals a season at this level (which he likely would have done if not injured) is unbelievably valuable. He really is a complete no. 9 at this level. I wouldn’t swap him with any other Championship striker personally. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,250 Posted March 17 Without looking through all those results I guess the one loss was Middlesbrough ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,759 Posted March 17 Similar stats to Barnes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,239 Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Similar stats to Barnes. Not to knock him, because he’s a great team player, but goals is where they are incomparable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kathy 738 Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Similar stats to Barnes. Worth his weight in gold imho. Tough, master of ****housery, in the refs ear, winds defenders up, subtle fouls in the box enabling space for others. I sometimes think his contributions are overlooked. 10 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christoph Stiepermann 1,138 Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Kathy said: Worth his weight in gold imho. Tough, master of ****housery, in the refs ear, winds defenders up, subtle fouls in the box enabling space for others. I sometimes think his contributions are overlooked. I agree and not only that he allows Sargent to do his best work. I can kind of understand why some fans don't rate him, he is very slow now because his legs have gone, he's not a natural finisher, can't carry the ball at all and doesn't anticipate receiving the ball well in the box but we're always worse when he doesn't play, his movement is the main reason why our build up play is so dangerous and he plays intelligent passes so I do get frustrated when people criticize him because you need players like him in the team. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,965 Posted March 17 12 minutes ago, Well b back said: Without looking through all those results I guess the one loss was Middlesbrough ? https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-sargent/leistungsdaten/spieler/393325 One of the draws was away to Southampton which we all know was 2 points lost to a really awful referee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,250 Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, Monty13 said: Not to knock him, because he’s a great team player, but goals is where they are incomparable. That Angus Gunn guy doesn’t score many either lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,250 Posted March 17 Anyone have Gibsons stats ? I would be quite interested in those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worthy Nigelton 1,058 Posted March 17 He's so important for us. Does pretty much everything you want a no.9 to do. Great player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,965 Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, Well b back said: Anyone have Gibsons stats ? I would be quite interested in those. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ben-gibson/leistungsdaten/spieler/128904 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bunny 314 Posted March 17 30 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: If Josh had been fit throughout and we'd achieved 2.31 points per game we would currently be top with 85 points That's a bit of an oversimplification of course. The sample sizes we're looking at here are very small, and there are other factors at play too. It's not like these absences were evenly distributed across the season with other variables controlled to remove bias. All we can say is we had an extremely patchy run of form back in Autumn and Josh wasn't present. How much of that was due to Josh's absence is impossible to say, although I'm sure it was a factor. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,965 Posted March 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Bunny said: That's a bit of an oversimplification of course. The sample sizes we're looking at here are very small, and there are other factors at play too. It's not like these absences were evenly distributed across the season with other variables controlled to remove bias. All we can say is we had an extremely patchy run of form back in Autumn and Josh wasn't present. How much of that was due to Josh's absence is impossible to say, although I'm sure it was a factor. 16 games out of 38 is not very small. It's actually quite large. Of course the other major factor, as @Kathy has said, is the absence of Barnes for a big chunk of the 22 that Josh didn't play. Edited March 17 by dylanisabaddog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A K Narey 86 Posted March 17 Josh is currently scoring one goal for every 91 minutes played. That is considerably better than anyone else in the Championship, other than Vardy who has scored every 95 minutes, although he has been used as an impact substitute. Anyway, strikers who can score a goal a game should be appreciated whilst we have him. OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,442 Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, A K Narey said: Josh is currently scoring one goal for every 91 minutes played. Last time I saw this stat he was doing better than Haaland! Obviously a league down but even so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,442 Posted March 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Christoph Stiepermann said: I agree and not only that he allows Sargent to do his best work. I can kind of understand why some fans don't rate him, he is very slow now because his legs have gone, he's not a natural finisher, can't carry the ball at all and doesn't anticipate receiving the ball well in the box but we're always worse when he doesn't play, his movement is the main reason why our build up play is so dangerous and he plays intelligent passes so I do get frustrated when people criticize him because you need players like him in the team. Barnes is the swarm harmoniser. Love this term: the player who, without seeming to do anything special themselves, enables the team to function more harmoniously. (@Parma Ham's gone mouldy: one for your coaching lexicon) Also, every team should have one player who looks absolutely furious when they score. Edited March 17 by Robert N. LiM tagged Parma 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,227 Posted March 17 9 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said: Barnes is the swarm harmoniser. Love this term: the player who, without seeming to do anything special themselves, enables the team to function more harmoniously. (@Parma Ham's gone mouldy: one for your coaching lexicon) Also, every team should have one player who looks absolutely furious when they score. With youngsters I like ‘constructive bunching’ 🤣 Parma 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,827 Posted March 17 Whilst Sargent is clearly incredibly important to us, there are two huge caveats. Every club in the division would be able to say 'if we hadn't lost [player] for [time period] then we would have [number] more points'. Every club has injuries to important players throughout the season, and who knows, maybe we won a few games where the opposition were missing a couple of key players, and we wouldn't have won them had those players been available? Also, the period Barnes missed also coincided with Sargent's injury. Our PPG with Barnes is 1.89 and without is 0.8. I do feel that Sargent is more important than Barnes, but Barnes' importance should be understated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,555 Posted March 17 In 2018 if Pukkiand Buendia had the same injuries as Sargent and Sainz had in 2023 our whole recent history may well have been different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 853 Posted March 17 8 hours ago, Kathy said: Worth his weight in gold imho. Tough, master of ****housery, in the refs ear, winds defenders up, subtle fouls in the box enabling space for others. I sometimes think his contributions are overlooked. A slightly more pale Emile Heskey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 853 Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: In 2018 if Pukkiand Buendia had the same injuries as Sargent and Sainz had in 2023 our whole recent history may well have been different. Agreed. Luck is an under appreciated phenomenon in football. It can derail even the top clubs so for ones with limited resources who simply can’t afford 5 first choice strikers, losing both your centre forwards for half a season (having spent all pre season setting the team up to play to their attributes is incredibly damaging). I still think Wagner was a touch dogmatic during their layoff, trying to play in exactly the same fashion with players not suited to it and it invariably cost us more points than it should have, but you certainly can’t argue with results now he’s got his first choices back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,555 Posted March 17 29 minutes ago, Fen Canary said: Agreed. Luck is an under appreciated phenomenon in football. It can derail even the top clubs so for ones with limited resources who simply can’t afford 5 first choice strikers, losing both your centre forwards for half a season (having spent all pre season setting the team up to play to their attributes is incredibly damaging). I still think Wagner was a touch dogmatic during their layoff, trying to play in exactly the same fashion with players not suited to it and it invariably cost us more points than it should have, but you certainly can’t argue with results now he’s got his first choices back. Totally agree with that. However he found a way and results since Bonfire Night are a credit to him. On Bonfire Night after Blackburn his days looked numbered. But half a season worth of results have gone since then and surely most are now pleased we kept him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,435 Posted March 17 Can’t argue with those stats. I don't recall anyone predicting Josh coming this good . We would be well in the mix for automatic promotion without our injuries this year. Can’t underestimate Barnes contribution. Refs ear is something we haven’t had since Holt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites