VAR light

[essex canary 496]

An excellent article attached from today's EDP.

Surely this was all that was needed anyway rather than the daft lines for offside that nobody can see with the naked eye.

The argument that it cannot be afforded at second tier level ought to be complete pants bearing in mind the second tier in Spain does it with a far more modest financial base.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,735]

No thanks.

[Ken Hairy 3,773]

Bin it completely, just not worth it

[Google Bot 3,278]

What size tablet do you use, Essex?  I really like the digital edition, but feels like you need a 16"+ device for it to be a comfortable read.

Personally I hate VAR for the effect it has in the ground, one of the saving graces of being in the Championship.

Edit: Just realised you're probably viewing on a 'pooter.

Edited March 13 by Google Bot

[Well b back 3,215]

I did say in the original thread that I thought this incident was more than likely to push the argument towards VAR in the Championship. This was different to most championship scenarios as there really could be a situation where the possible costs can be seen. Had VAR been present, there would have been no doubt that the red card would have been overturned. That would have left it highly likely we would have won. Had VAR also sent Howson off as most pundits have suggested should have happened there would have been little doubt we would have won. 
Now if we miss out on the playoffs by 2 points, the costs become visible. If we get knocked out in the semis we would lose close on £1m, if we lose in the final we lose upto £4m and of course if we miss out on promotion the well publicised £100 m. Can you imagine if Boro clip us by a point and then get promoted.

So as much as I hate VAR it does favour the bigger sides and like it or not in the Championship we are a bigger side. With VAR this year we would have several more points.

It must also be said the problem was not just the ref it was Howson’s cheating. However the FA are not prepared to punish Howson, so that leaves the door open for the next cheat.

Edited March 13 by Well b back

[hogesar 9,676]

Nah. I'd rather a useless incompetent waste of space of a ref got that decision wrong than have to deal with VAR at a live football match. Never been as disillusioned as when we had to watch Pukki make perfect runs and score excellent goals only to be offside by a ****.

[S_81 802]

17 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Nah. I'd rather a useless incompetent waste of space of a ref got that decision wrong than have to deal with VAR at a live football match. Never been as disillusioned as when we had to watch Pukki make perfect runs and score excellent goals only to be offside by a ****.

That’s the thing - the system is only as good as those reviewing it. And frankly if they’re having to spend yonks agonising over a decision that they get the benefit of slowing down and watching at multiple angles, then it wasn’t a clear cut error in the first place. If it’s not a quickly seen error then the advantage should just be given. Would even itself out soon enough. 

[astro 360]

VAR is not the answer to poor refereeing/officiating. 

[chicken 2,627]

3 hours ago, Google Bot said:

What size tablet do you use, Essex?  I really like the digital edition, but feels like you need a 16"+ device for it to be a comfortable read.

Personally I hate VAR for the effect it has in the ground, one of the saving graces of being in the Championship.

Edit: Just realised you're probably viewing on a 68" 6K ultra HD smart flat screen made in Russia.

Just corrected a small bit for you.

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,286]

Of all the anger, feelings of injustice and moaning surrounding Howson and the red card, I don’t think I read one comment along the lines of “if only we had VAR.” I think that says it all. 

 

[Jason Shackell’s Limp Tack 75]

6 hours ago, essex canary said:

An excellent article attached from today's EDP.

Surely this was all that was needed anyway rather than the daft lines for offside that nobody can see with the naked eye.

The argument that it cannot be afforded at second tier level ought to be complete pants bearing in mind the second tier in Spain does it with a far more modest financial base.

I've always been against VAR and despite the red card being overturned on appeal I'm utterly convinced that VAR would have upheld the decision to send him off. 

[Duncan Edwards 2,237]

VAR is a nail in the coffin for the match going fan. We should oppose it at with all our might.  

[andyc24_uk 59]

Here's an alternative thought: What if the rules were just changed so that red cards could be appealed, reviewed and overturned in real time by the Fourth Official, without significant delay to the match? 

- A player gets sent off. They leave the pitch, likely faster with less protest as they know that the Referee's decision isn't going to change and their appeal/argument/frustration will be heard off the field - The quicker this happens, the sooner they might be back in play. The game continues with minimal disruption.

- The 4th Official immediately reviews any footage available - every match at this level is filmed and broadcast in some form, so making that footage available shouldn't be a problem.

- They either confirm or overturn the Referee's decision, with the bias being assumed in the ref's favour to protect their authority - It's only in clear cut cases like Sainz where a red card should be overturned.

- If the 4th Official determines a clear error was made by the referee, he can signal to the Ref that the card is overturned and the player can rejoin the game at the next break in play, as they would if receiving treatment for an injury.

An innocent player in Sainz's situation is off the field for maybe 5 minutes at the most. The game is not delayed for VAR nonsense. The referee is somewhat protected from the immediate scramble of protest (which often delays the game as much, if not more so, than a VAR check would, if we're being honest). 

Perfect solution? No - There will still be situations where the opposition score while a club is unfairly reduced to 10 men, and a player wrongly red carded after about the 85th minute may not get back on the pitch at all.
Fairer than the current situation? Surely.
Better than full-blown VAR delays? Without a doubt!

Edited March 14 by andyc24_uk

[BroadstairsR 2,174]

Basically, VAR should advantage the game as it should lead to more accuracy and therefore fairness in decision-making. Who can complain about that?

The technology is there. Use it.

However, the ridiculous way it is used in football makes it an all-round disaster disaster.

Of course, the split hair off-side business is ludicrous, but need it take so long for the process to resolve matters? The ref. himself has a spit second to make his decision, yet it often takes a third man armed with various cameras and speeds several minutes to make his. There are other flaws.

Before it will ever be loved by the fans, VAR as it is employed at the moment needs a serious re-think.

[essex canary 496]

9 hours ago, andyc24_uk said:

Here's an alternative thought: What if the rules were just changed so that red cards could be appealed, reviewed and overturned in real time by the Fourth Official, without significant delay to the match? 

- A player gets sent off. They leave the pitch, likely faster with less protest as they know that the Referee's decision isn't going to change and their appeal/argument/frustration will be heard off the field - The quicker this happens, the sooner they might be back in play. The game continues with minimal disruption.

- The 4th Official immediately reviews any footage available - every match at this level is filmed and broadcast in some form, so making that footage available shouldn't be a problem.

- They either confirm or overturn the Referee's decision, with the bias being assumed in the ref's favour to protect their authority - It's only in clear cut cases like Sainz where a red card should be overturned.

- If the 4th Official determines a clear error was made by the referee, he can signal to the Ref that the card is overturned and the player can rejoin the game at the next break in play, as they would if receiving treatment for an injury.

An innocent player in Sainz's situation is off the field for maybe 5 minutes at the most. The game is not delayed for VAR nonsense. The referee is somewhat protected from the immediate scramble of protest (which often delays the game as much, if not more so, than a VAR check would, if we're being honest). 

Perfect solution? No - There will still be situations where the opposition score while a club is unfairly reduced to 10 men, and a player wrongly red carded after about the 85th minute may not get back on the pitch at all.
Fairer than the current situation? Surely.
Better than full-blown VAR delays? Without a doubt!

The only problem with that is it is too practically sensible. They would rather destroy the whole game rather than create a controversial 5 minutes.

[TheRock 171]

Unfortunately anyone who has played football at any level knows that 'conning the Referee' using hyperbole, exaggeration and angle shooting is very much part of the game, gainsmanship is ingrained in the culture of football, not ever a huge amount of respect like there is in Rugby. It's all about having the discipline to not react.

If it had been a Norwich player conning The Referee to get one of the Boro players off, we would have been lauding them as a genius. Remember Bradley Johnson getting Joey Barton sent at Loftus Road for a 'headbutt'?

It's just insult to injury that it was Howson involved, who had a good tenure at his time with Norwich,  was the antagonist which has left a sour taste for many.

 

As for VAR in the Championship, a big No Thanks, it is barely working in the top divisions, I think it would be the tipping point in for many fans of all clubs losing interest.

One of the pros of this season is how good and free-flowing the matches and decisions are if both teams come to play football. Mistakes will happen in the EFL but as we are a big fish in a small pond, we will always have time in a match to get over poor decisions.

Edited March 14 by TheRock

[Bobzilla 145]

The bigger issue is players exaggerating the extent of their injuries with the intent of the other player getting carded.  We need an effective solution for that so that it gets stamped out of the game.  I’d advocate a system like andyc24_UK’s where a 4th official is watching only for carded incidents where someone is rolling around on the ground to see whether there is play acting or not.  The ‘injured’ player can tell the referee if contact was minimal but it still ****ing hurts if they don’t think it was a carding offence, or risk getting a red card and a 4 match ban if the video ref decides that there’s faking at play.  

THAT would get managers stamping it out VERY quickly.  Currently there are no consequences for this type of cheating.