Ted Mackie Dee 5 Posted January 31 Everything spot on today about Adam Idah, Ben Knapper and the club. I know it’s probably what just about every supporter thinks but he has put it out in his column for all to see. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vegueros 7 Posted January 31 Just read it and agreed with everything Sutton wrote. I think most Norwich fans would identify with : “The thought of Norwich getting promoted to the Premier League scares the life out of me.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 866 Posted January 31 Just now, Vegueros said: Just read it and agreed with everything Sutton wrote. I think most Norwich fans would identify with : “The thought of Norwich getting promoted to the Premier League scares the life out of me.” Why does it? Luton are making a much better fist of staying up than our last two attempts and I don’t believe their squad last season is any better or worse than ours. Farke walked the league and had an appalling record in the top flight, whereas Alex Neil got us up through the playoffs and made a much better stab at staying up. I’ll never turn down promotion as we never know what will happen if we get it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,689 Posted January 31 Mostly seems fair enough (if somewhat repetitive re: Idah, but then I imagine he has to fill ‘x’ words). Odd that it isn’t behind the paywall, as it usually is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bradwell canary 109 Posted January 31 The thought of Norwich getting promoted to the Premier League scares the life out of me. So say all of us Chris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,493 Posted January 31 (edited) The column is fine on Idah, though hardly earth-shattering. And Sutton should know better than to say "Idah...has played over a hundred times for Norwich" without acknowledging that the majority of those times were as a substitute. It's perfectly possible to make the case without stretching the truth. Edited January 31 by Robert N. LiM 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,206 Posted January 31 23 minutes ago, Vegueros said: Just read it and agreed with everything Sutton wrote. I think most Norwich fans would identify with : “The thought of Norwich getting promoted to the Premier League scares the life out of me.” Doesn't for me. We need the dosh, and you never know. As has just been said, look at Luton. It might well need a new manager and a few youngsters coming through, but the television and merit money (along with probably even more of those luvverly parachute payments) would open up a different world for Ben Knapper, who might not p-iss it against the wall for once. I also believe it would incentivise Mark Annatasio (and his potential investor friends down under) into providing more funds. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,206 Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said: The column is fine on Idah, though hardly earth-shattering. And Sutton should know better than to say "Idah...has played over a hundred times for Norwich" without acknowledging that the majority of those times were as a substitute. It's perfectly possible to make the case without stretching the truth. True, but to balance that out you have to include the number of times he's been on the pitch but hasn't played. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannings bandy legs 397 Posted January 31 42 minutes ago, Vegueros said: Just read it and agreed with everything Sutton wrote. I think most Norwich fans would identify with : “The thought of Norwich getting promoted to the Premier League scares the life out of me.” This is why Wagner is still here,and why you're hearing nothing from Knapper concerning any plan. This club do not want promotion. Knapper is toeing the Delia line. She's happy were we are. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,493 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, mannings bandy legs said: This is why Wagner is still here,and why you're hearing nothing from Knapper concerning any plan. This club do not want promotion. Knapper is toeing the Delia line. She's happy were we are. We sure have been promoted a lot in recent years for a club that "doesn't want promotion". Most unfortunate. 1 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,206 Posted January 31 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said: We sure have been promoted a lot in recent years for a club that "doesn't want promotion". Most unfortunate. Yes, but it seems that the mood has changed among supporters from being optimistic about promotion to being frightened by it. S-d Talksport, MotD and all the rest, we'll yo-yo like only we know how ... and you never know. Interesting that even the Binners are hoping for it, whilst I now think we'll beat them in the return game. We have match winning individuals, whilst they are a well drilled unit beginning to be found out or a machine which is beginning to falter given the inevitable loss of a cog or two. Takes yer pick. Edited January 31 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,514 Posted January 31 51 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: Mostly seems fair enough (if somewhat repetitive re: Idah, but then I imagine he has to fill ‘x’ words). Odd that it isn’t behind the paywall, as it usually is. It is for me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul101 94 Posted January 31 54 minutes ago, Fen Canary said: Why does it? Luton are making a much better fist of staying up than our last two attempts and I don’t believe their squad last season is any better or worse than ours. Farke walked the league and had an appalling record in the top flight, whereas Alex Neil got us up through the playoffs and made a much better stab at staying up. I’ll never turn down promotion as we never know what will happen if we get it. lets fact check that one for a second Luton have 3 more points that we had at the same time so the win last night if they lost they would have been doing exactly the same as we did in 2022 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,745 Posted January 31 If you wanted a column that simply stated what most on the forum have posted then yeah, sure it's great if you need that reassurance. Beyond that it fails to take into account a lot of things. This scared of being promoted boll*cks is just that, boll*cks. We failed miserably twice under Farke / Smith but that's because a side was built to play Farke style football which we're seeing with Burnley doesn't work with limited budgets. Luton's style can work with limited budgets. The 100 appearances for Idah is misleading, just look at his actual minutes on the pitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,493 Posted January 31 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: Yes, but it seems that the mood has changed among supporters from being optimistic about promotion to being frightened by it. Oh, agree about that entirely. Just calling out the nonsense that Delia 'doesn't want promotion'. Actually, thinking about it, if anyone doesn't want promotion at this point, it's probably Attanasio. Those remaining shares would be much less affordable if we were in the top flight... Edited January 31 by Robert N. LiM Had another thought, didn't I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,206 Posted January 31 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said: Oh, agree about that entirely. Just calling out the nonsense that Delia 'doesn't want promotion'. Actually, thinking about it, if anyone doesn't want promotion at this point, it's probably Attanasio. Those remaining shares would be much less affordable if we were in the top flight... Which would make his own shares more valuable? You know, I am still at the stage of being softer on Annatasio's motives and actually believe he is in the game as a supporter as much as an investor. This might well be extremely naive, and he wouldn't have touched us with a barge pool if he had thought his money was heading down the drain or that there was no potential in the club for sure. However, there is something about an English football club (lost causes by reputation) that seems to excite many successful American businessmen. It has been explained on here in a more serious tone and one related more to economics, but it seems that it has also become a feather in the cap of many. Owning (part) of a PL club is the icing on the cake ... and, of course, provides the opportunity for a lucrative sale, a fact that cannot be denied. We are discussing motives here, and even Delia's motives for owning NCFC have often been argued about on this forum. Perhaps if I/We had multi-millions then we would grasp the matter with better understanding. However, there seem to be more big business behind the game now than Jack Walkers or Delia Smiths. The answer lies in the soil? Edited January 31 by BroadstairsR 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,689 Posted January 31 52 minutes ago, ron obvious said: It is for me! Odd - I read it on the bus in this morning, maybe someone forgot to click a button! It was largely “it has been disappointing Idah hasn’t pushed on, he’s had plenty of opportunities but not managed to take them, has all the attributes but perhaps the best thing is for him to try elsewhere; shame it hasn’t worked for him:us” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,493 Posted January 31 10 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: Which would make his own shares more valuable? You know, I am still at the stage of being softer on Annatasio's motives and actually believe he is in the game as a supporter as much as an investor. This might well be extremely naive, and he wouldn't have touched us with a barge pool if he had thought his money was heading down the drain or that there was no potential in the club for sure. However, there is something about an English football club (lost causes by reputation) that seems to excite many successful American businessmen. It has been explained on here in a more serious tone and one related more to economics, but it seems that it has also become a feather in the cap of many. Owning (part) of a PL club is the icing on the cake ... and, of course, provides the opportunity for a lucrative sale, a fact that cannot be denied. We are discussing motives here, and even Delia's motives for owning NCFC have often been argued about on this forum. Perhaps if I/We had multi-millions then we would grasp the matter with better understanding. However, there seem to be more big business behind the game now than Jack Walkers or Delia Smiths. The answer lies in the soil? Yeah, maybe. I was just being mischievous, really. My instinct about Attanasio is that he seems a good guy. Either that or he's really good at appearing a good guy. Either way, we need him, or someone like him, if we're going to compete with all the other clubs run by people like him. Can't say I'm thrilled about it, but it is how it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vos 155 Posted January 31 Perhaps this sums up Norwich City. You can field the current lineup mainly consisting of Premier League players who until quite recently were on our books: Krul Aarons Omodamidele Godfrey Toffolo Buendia Maddison Murphy Dowell Morris Cantwell Where has it all gone wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul101 94 Posted January 31 14 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: However, there is something about an English football club (lost causes by reputation) that seems to excite many successful American businessmen. It has been explained on here in a more serious tone and one related more to economics, but it seems that it has also become a feather in the cap of many. Owning (part) of a PL club is the icing on the cake ... and, of course, provides the opportunity for a lucrative sale, a fact that cannot be denied. Football clubs are cheap Arsenal are valued at £1.86b the MIlwaukee brewers sit around the the £1.60b mark the price to buy into american sports is high Inter Miami cost $500m to enter MLS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,360 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Branston Pickle said: Mostly seems fair enough (if somewhat repetitive re: Idah, but then I imagine he has to fill ‘x’ words). Odd that it isn’t behind the paywall, as it usually is. The paywall seems to have disappeared despite Paddy's claim that nothing has altered. Most of the stuff's pretty lazy but if it's free....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,460 Posted January 31 I'm afraid Sutton lost me in this article. What a self seeking **** he is turning out to be. He's been rubbing shoulders with Robbie Savage for far too long. Asking for Knapper to speak to the press during a transfer window, as a former professional player, he knows is totally counter-productive in everything Knapper is trying to achieve. If at the end of the window it looks as if things went poorly, then he explains what went wrong. But to do so now will probably cost supporters want they actually crave at the moment, an inward transfer as his focus comes off his main role. Knapper is at this moment dealing with Idah, Rowe, van Hoojdink, Mikey "wassisname", Dimi and probably countless other propsective transfer moves including several inward ones. He has probably been working on these and more without much movement for most of December and January. Let him get on with his job. His job is not reveal all Norwich's cards, that way only financial loss accrues. What we need from the club is some independent authoritative person to speak on behalf of the board and executive during this period, but they seem to be resting on the complete mind**** that was the AGM whilst waiting for the EFL to decide if we can welcome Attanasio with open arms. I agree that relying on Wagner to convey the message is not working because the majority of the fans really don't care what he has to say. But Knapper wouldn't want to tell is in minute detail what most on here seem to want; that is just not going to happen. Sutton should review his "populist" stance and regain his former strong analytical view, Knapper should be allowed to finish his job. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannings bandy legs 397 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Robert N. LiM said: We sure have been promoted a lot in recent years for a club that "doesn't want promotion". Most unfortunate. Not with this squad of players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,178 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Robert N. LiM said: The column is fine on Idah, though hardly earth-shattering. And Sutton should know better than to say "Idah...has played over a hundred times for Norwich" without acknowledging that the majority of those times were as a substitute. It's perfectly possible to make the case without stretching the truth. This x 1000. As soon as someone quotes the stat of Adam’s number of games rather than actual minutes on the pitch I just write them off as either dim or a hater. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 891 Posted January 31 Yep, I can imagine that genuine supporters will baulk at winning another Wembley play off. You only have to look at the lack of interest in the Liverpool cup game. Knowing we faced an absolute humiliation. the club was forced to give away tickets and pay supporters to travel. And I expect that should we start winning and find ourselves the top six the crowds will simply melt away, many hiding behind Ricardos sofa, petrified that we might be in the semi finals. The queues of fans wanting to hand back their season tickets would stretch back over Carrow bridge. Ask Sheff Utd fans whether they would want another season in the PL or be back in the Championship I suspect that in reality supporters are the same as me on this. They want to see our club win as many games as possible and to enjoy where that takes them, and to hell with the spineless whiners. Did Luton, the club or its fans take the same embarrassing stance as Sutton. No, up and a 'em. As did Maidstone. Fix the ground and then do your best. was their thought. Sutton of the Antarctic ....."ooh, not going there it might be cold." Sutton climbing Mount Everest, ........"oooh, I might fall off" Sutton in F1...."ooh I might get a speeding ticket." 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,360 Posted January 31 Bill's in full-on mode.... What shred of evidence is there to prove NCFC gave away tickets ( other than the normal comps ) and paid supporters to travel up there ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,178 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, ......and Smith must score. said: Bill's in full-on mode.... What shred of evidence is there to prove NCFC gave away tickets ( other than the normal comps ) and paid supporters to travel up there ? Whoosh! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,360 Posted January 31 Bill doesn't do jokes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duke63 545 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, vos said: Perhaps this sums up Norwich City. You can field the current lineup mainly consisting of Premier League players who until quite recently were on our books: Krul Aarons Omodamidele Godfrey Toffolo Buendia Maddison Murphy Dowell Morris Cantwell Where has it all gone wrong. Krul - second choice keeper at Luton and still making some horrendous gaffs Big Andy - only just started playing for Forest Godfrey - rarely in the Everton team Dowell and Cantwell - playing in the Premier League North reserve league. There is half your team gone. Toffolo, Murphy and Morris are the surprises but none are regular starters in their teams. The reality is we had the right manager to get us promoted who turned out to be the wrong manager when in the EPL. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,183 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, vos said: Perhaps this sums up Norwich City. You can field the current lineup mainly consisting of Premier League players who until quite recently were on our books: Krul Aarons Omodamidele Godfrey Toffolo Buendia Maddison Murphy Dowell Morris Cantwell Where has it all gone wrong. You really have to ask? It started going wrong for us and clubs like us the moment the Premier League started. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
