Norfolk born James Dyson, a generous man

[chicken 2,640]

36 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Britain was no longer able to compete as a manufacturing nation because there were emerging economies able to manufacture much more cheaply due to being unburdened by the costs of workers' rights in the workplace. The same thing happened in the US where it became too expensive to do business there because of employment legislation. These winds of change were blowing irrespective of Thatcher or Reagan. Economic power was shifting east. What Thatcher did was to grasp the nettle to transform the economy instead of continuing with the path of decline chosen by her predecessors.

This sounds good until you say the same thing happened in the states. The states doesn't have the same union strength as the UK does and that is typically what drives "workers rights".

More accurately. it is to do with lower wages in countries, some of which are considered as "developing". China, is a great example. It's not that rights cost money, their workers are on pennies in comparison. Equally, materials can be produced in some of those countries and again, for cheaper.

Steel is a good example.

Once upon a time the West wouldn't do business with China. What changed that? Money. Simple. 

[chicken 2,640]

1 minute ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Not fake news. He said it. Period.

Wrote it actually. And it seems you failed to read the piece yourself otherwise you would understand the point as made by the person that wrote the note. But there you go.

The fact you come running to the defence of Vince says everything anyone needs to know.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,565]

2 minutes ago, chicken said:

Wrote it actually. And it seems you failed to read the piece yourself otherwise you would understand the point as made by the person that wrote the note. But there you go.

The fact you come running to the defence of Vince says everything anyone needs to know.

The fact that you call something fake news that wasn't fake news says everything we need to know.

Claiming I'm running to the defence of Vince is fake news.

Edited November 19, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[Big Vince 318]

10 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

The fact that you call something fake news that wasn't fake news says everything we need to know.

Claiming I'm running to the defence of Vince is fake news.

I can confirm no one ever comes running to my defence because what then happens is the tide comes in and there is no way back.

[duke63 544]

26 minutes ago, chicken said:

This sounds good until you say the same thing happened in the states. The states doesn't have the same union strength as the UK does and that is typically what drives "workers rights".

More accurately. it is to do with lower wages in countries, some of which are considered as "developing". China, is a great example. It's not that rights cost money, their workers are on pennies in comparison. Equally, materials can be produced in some of those countries and again, for cheaper.

Steel is a good example.

Once upon a time the West wouldn't do business with China. What changed that? Money. Simple. 

France makes a lot of what it consumes. Be that food or manufactured goods. 
Go into their supermarkets and you can see which part of France the food comes from and local farmers are encouraged to see direct to their LOCAL supermarket.
Not only that but french people will often buy something marked ‘Fabrique en France’ before something that isn’t even if it costs more.
Britain lost that decades ago. 

Edited November 19, 2023 by duke63

[littleyellowbirdie 2,565]

Just now, Big Vince said:

I can confirm no one ever comes running to my defence because what then happens is the tide comes in and there is no way ba  were in a state

I don't agree with you, but I happened to disagree with chicken's statement as to why he disagreed with you when he used the term fake news.

I don't like the phrase fake news. Some news is genuinely fabricated, but there was a genuine story there, which puts the usage into the same category as the way Donald Trump used to use it.

[Big Vince 318]

24 minutes ago, chicken said:

This sounds good until you say the same thing happened in the states. The states doesn't have the same union strength as the UK does and that is typically what drives "workers rights".

More accurately. it is to do with lower wages in countries, some of which are considered as "developing". China, is a great example. It's not that rights cost money, their workers are on pennies in comparison. Equally, materials can be produced in some of those countries and again, for cheaper.

Steel is a good example.

Once upon a time the West wouldn't do business with China. What changed that? Money. Simple. 

This is nonsense. Of course rights cost money. A lot of money. That is why Britain secured an opt out from the social chapter of the Maastricht Treaty in 1992. Tellingly, when the socialists got back in in 1997, they opted back in through the Treaty of Amsterdam. It is a contributory factor in years of negligible economic growth.

[Big Vince 318]

11 minutes ago, duke63 said:

France makes a lot of what it consumes. Be that food or manufactured goods. 
Go into their supermarkets and you can see which part of France the food comes from and local farmers are encouraged to see direct to their LOCAL supermarket.
Not only that but french people will often buy something marked ‘Fabrique en France’ before something that isn’t even if it costs more.
Britain lost that decades ago. 

France is highly protectionist of its agricultural economy and way of life. France was the main architect of what is now the European Union and people have said that one of the main drivers of this was to protect French farmers even to the detriment of other parts of the European economy. Not that the French will admit it of course.

[duke63 544]

6 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

France is highly protectionist of its agricultural economy and way of life. France was the main architect of what is now the European Union and people have said that one of the main drivers of this was to protect French farmers even to the detriment of other parts of the European economy. Not that the French will admit it of course.

So why couldn’t the UK do the same? It’s always excuses and moaning but very little action when it comes to the UK. 
Seems as long as it’s cheap it doesn’t matter if it’s imported. No wonder we make and grow so very little. 

[Big Vince 318]

2 minutes ago, duke63 said:

So why couldn’t the UK do the same? It’s always excuses and moaning but very little action when it comes to the UK. 
Seems as long as it’s cheap it doesn’t matter if it’s imported. No wonder we make and grow so very little. 

The British are not motivated by quality. They are motivated by price. You can never compare the British and French. It is like chalk and cheese.

[PurpleCanary 5,575]

2 hours ago, Big Vince said:

France is highly protectionist of its agricultural economy and way of life. France was the main architect of what is now the European Union and people have said that one of the main drivers of this was to protect French farmers even to the detriment of other parts of the European economy. Not that the French will admit it of course.

Anyone who has the faintest inkling of the subject knows that the main driver of what became the European Union was nothing so small as protection for farmers but to stop France and Germany going to war against one another. This was something Thatcher, with her small-minded preoccupation with accountancy, never understood. Nor did Brexiters.

Edited November 20, 2023 by PurpleCanary

[Duncan Edwards 2,247]

Rubbish. It was about straight bananas, banning conkers, Christmas and saying you’re English. 
Along with the creation of a European Army, having British borders controlled from La Rochelle by Monsieur Dupont and safeguarding the dinghy industry in La Manche. 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

18 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

Or grow your intelligence and/or empathy to such a point that people stop voting Tory.

Left are brilliant.... at spending other people's money.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

11 hours ago, Robert N. LiM said:

In Singapore?

Most recently, James has pledged £6million to Malmesbury Primary School, to enable it to expand and build a new science and technology centre but the local education authority has not accepted the donation.

 

Too busy drawing rainbows, I suppose

Edited November 20, 2023 by Rock The Boat

[Herman 9,802]

3 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Left are brilliant.... at spending other people's money.

You really can't use this old stinker anymore. £100 billion wasted by your crooked mob since 2019. Hundreds of millions of pounds worth of dodgy contracts going to your mates through covid etc. Selling land cheaply through freeports and HS2 etc. Privatised companies sending money to "investors" rather than investing in their businesses.Your mob have robbed the country blind and left the place a right **** filled tip. You're lucky that the prisons are over filled.

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,289]

6 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

It's rich (pun totally intended) that James Dyson received a Knighthood even though he's a lifetime-spanning tax dodger.

Lewis Hamilton will be another tax dodger to receive a knighthood.

I may intensely dislike David Beckham but at least he gives something back to the country who offered him a chance to bask in the life that he has. (Or he did the last time I looked)

(He doesn't pay as much as he should. I'm sure his lawyers use as many loopholes as they can.)

Same with Ed Sheeran, etc.

PS: Shark is a better company than Dyson.

How can anyone intensely dislike golden balls?!

[DraytonBoy 159]

The wealthy employ expensive accountants in order to come up with tax dodges to stay wealthy, Beckham was involved in a major tax avoidance case a few years back which is said to have cost him a knighthood and there is even a tax law in Spain named after him. 

[canarydan23 4,060]

5 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Left are brilliant.... at spending other people's money.

Erm, that's kind of the job of government. 

[essex canary 501]

7 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

Anyone who has the faintest inkling of the subject knows that the main driver of what became the European Union was nothing so small as protection for farmers but to stop France and Germany going to war against one another. This was something Thatcher, with her small-minded preoccupation with accountancy, never understood. Nor did Brexiters.

It goes back to Napoleon, the formation of the German state and the Franco-Prussian War etc. The driver is therefore that though at the same time at it's formation, France had the upper hand so undoubtedly pursued it's priorities.

Thatcher was a European advocate albeit she probably wanted us to behave like other members and pursue our own priorities within the framework. She did have other small-minded and short-termist preoccupations such as compulsory competitive tendering and sale of council property which have undermined the nation's wellbeing.

Edited November 20, 2023 by essex canary

[duke63 544]

Britain is broke.

There are only two ways of changing that, bring more money in or spend less.

There is no where left to make spending cuts - the NHS is no longer functioning properly and slowly being privatised, the police are non existent to the ordinary citizen, our roads are falling apart due tto lack of maintenance, our schools are falling down as they were built on the cheap and some kids are not even getting a proper education.

Remind me who has been in power over the last 13 years and in that time has taken UK national debt from £1 trillion to over £2.5 trillion and the interest on that debt has risen from approx £30 billion per year to well over £100 billion per year. And still rising!

That's the record of idiots!

 

 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,035]

6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Most recently, James has pledged £6million to Malmesbury Primary School, to enable it to expand and build a new science and technology centre but the local education authority has not accepted the donation.

 

Too busy drawing rainbows, I suppose

It would appear that Wiltshire Council have concerns on the potential impact an expanding school would have on other local schools in the area. Wiltshire Council is run by the Conservatives. There is also a suggestion that it was the Department for Education that is/was dragging its feet.................

Edited November 20, 2023 by Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,035]

6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Left are brilliant.... at spending other people's money.

What are the right brilliant at then?..................

[essex canary 501]

10 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

And yet the Prime Minister and his wife have a personal fortune of £1bn+

Britain isn't broke. When there's a war there's a bottomless put of cash.

When the people of the UK require help, the coffers are empty.

The coffers are empty but when you want to win a war or the Premier or Champions League you just borrow regardless. Or in NCFC's case for the privilege of finishing rock bottom in the Premier League.

[Herman 9,802]

39 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

What are the right brilliant at then?..................

They're brilliant at selling and buying third rate crap. 

[canarydan23 4,060]

1 hour ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

It would appear that Wiltshire Council have concerns on the potential impact an expanding school would have on other local schools in the area. Wiltshire Council is run by the Conservatives. There is also a suggestion that it was the Department for Education that is/was dragging its feet.................

Don't give him context.

1) He doesn't understand context

2) He'd be miserable without myriad issues to moan about

3) The logical contortions into which he has to twist his mind in order to blame everything on the pesky leftists is probably good brain exercise and will stop it help slow down its ageing process. And if anyone needs a bit of assistance with their cognitive functions, it's good old RWNJ @Rock The Boat.

[shefcanary 2,435]

13 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

The economy was a mess at the time and the deficit had jumped on the back of 2008.

I'll grant you the economy was in a mess but that was caused by the banking collapse and the sudden drawing in of govt support, not only here, but across the world. Sure, the Labour govt. was one of many that had been responsible for the "largesse" of the investment banking world, but Vinnie and it sounds like yourself, are arguing that sector's like banking should continue on with their business free from interference and regulation. God help us, a world where those with the means are allowed to exploit their access to even more cash whilst totally wrecking economies across the globe.

"Top hole old boy, pass another brandy and glass of champagne and get out the Cubans, then lets shoot off to Monaco and party all night as we laugh at those poor ****ers." As an 80's and 00's banker was oft reported to say!

[essex canary 501]

3 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

I'll grant you the economy was in a mess but that was caused by the banking collapse and the sudden drawing in of govt support, not only here, but across the world. Sure, the Labour govt. was one of many that had been responsible for the "largesse" of the investment banking world, but Vinnie and it sounds like yourself, are arguing that sector's like banking should continue on with their business free from interference and regulation. God help us, a world where those with the means are allowed to exploit their access to even more cash whilst totally wrecking economies across the globe.

"Top hole old boy, pass another brandy and glass of champagne and get out the Cubans, then lets shoot off to Monaco and party all night as we laugh at those poor ****ers." As an 80's and 00's banker was oft reported to say!

Perhaps S&J party in the same style around the Webber's swimming pool?

[shefcanary 2,435]

13 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Not fake news. He said it. Period. It was news.

It was wrote as a ****ing joke! A light hearted way of welcoming his successor into his role, but the Tory decided to pass on to Tory central Comms who have allowed the govt. to hide behind a joke now for 15 years, when the joke is they have mismanaged the economy more.

As Vinnie says, the East were able for a brief time to manufacture things more cheaply than the UK and the EC (see I've split us), but now they are struggling to maintain that competitive edge, as like football, the economy is cyclical. What UK govt's of both colour have failed to do is provide proper timely incentives to UK industry to ensure they are ready to take advantage in changes in this cycle, whilst those like Dyson who could provide long term support for the UK, **** off to those cheaper manufacturing places for the quick buck (fair game to him, but he is still a ****ing hypocrite). Watch Dyson ditch the far east for central Africa in a few years, where the manufacturing costs are going to be cheapest after China has finished building the infrastructure there.  

[shefcanary 2,435]

13 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

I'll grant you the economy was in a mess but that was caused by the banking collapse and the sudden drawing in of govt support, not only here, but across the world. Sure, the Labour govt. was one of many that had been responsible for the "largesse" of the investment banking world, but Vinnie and it sounds like yourself, are arguing that sector's like banking should continue on with their business free from interference and regulation. God help us, a world where those with the means are allowed to exploit their access to even more cash whilst totally wrecking economies across the globe.

"Top hole old boy, pass another brandy and glass of champagne and get out the Cubans, then lets shoot off to Monaco and party all night as we laugh at those poor ****ers." As an 80's and 00's banker was oft reported to say!

BTW the Chinese are very good at spotting when investment bankers start taking the **** - they just arrest them and then make them disappear. I guess this is going to be branded as a typical socialist trope by Vinnie and the boys, rather than the usual games played by those who have the power and will do anything to retain it. 

[duke63 544]

7 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

And yet the Prime Minister and his wife have a personal fortune of £1bn+

Britain isn't broke. When there's a war there's a bottomless put of cash.

When the people of the UK require help, the coffers are empty.

When there is a war or whatever other crisis they just borrow more and make us plebs pay it back over the next 10, 20 or 50 years, depending on the size of the crisis. 
Meanwhile they just stash more of their cash and assets offshore out of reach of and hidden from the tax man. 
Eventually it will all come crashing down.