hogesar 9,673 Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Kenny Foggo said: It is in other clubs of similar size and fan base. Be nice to actual try. If we take similar size clubs and fan base there are for more examples of clubs that have underperformed compared to us. Actually, for every 1 you give me of a similar size that's out performing I can probably give you 3 that aren't. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingsway 94 Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Football never stands still like time itself so while it looks very unlikely we can stay up planning for the almost certain Championship campaign next season must get under way cause the current squad minus players won't be good to challenge for promotion. Also Smith and Shakespeare will want to stamp their own identity on the team. The current line up won't stay up so may as well have a good clear out in January. Sell Aarons and Cantwell and then things can progress. Idahs not good enough for this level so needs to go out on loan and may as well let Gilmour go back to Chelsea. These will free up funds and space for new signings! Edited January 3, 2022 by kingsway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, hogesar said: If we take similar size clubs and fan base there are for more examples of clubs that have underperformed compared to us. Actually, for every 1 you give me of a similar size that's out performing I can probably give you 3 that aren't. Not clubs who have had the recent opportunities that we have had. That’s the point. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canaries north 151 Posted January 3, 2022 I look at the other teams near the bottom and just think we have too many problems to sort in one transfer window and possibly 2 so might as well try to sort for next season. Newcastle need defence. Watford need defence. Burnley need forwards. We need defence, defensive midfield, striker and add to that some more physicality, hight and pace. Let's start the rebuilding now for another season in the championship and in the words of the Crouch podcast, come back stronger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,673 Posted January 3, 2022 34 minutes ago, Jim Smith said: Not clubs who have had the recent opportunities that we have had. That’s the point. Sheffield United had the recent opportunity and even stayed up for a season. Bournemouth were up for years yet have the same size ground. West Brom and Fulham perform similar to us. To attack the club for doing well enough to get promoted vs those who haven't even achieved that is weak to the extreme. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,747 Posted January 3, 2022 42 minutes ago, Jim Smith said: Not clubs who have had the recent opportunities that we have had. That’s the point. Three promotions since 2015 and squandered all three. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulfotto 634 Posted January 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, hogesar said: Sheffield United had the recent opportunity and even stayed up for a season. Bournemouth were up for years yet have the same size ground. West Brom and Fulham perform similar to us. To attack the club for doing well enough to get promoted vs those who haven't even achieved that is weak to the extreme. All the club mentioned above apart from maybe West Brom are not self funded and although the fan bases maybe similar that is where the similarities end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 855 Posted January 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: Three promotions since 2015 and squandered all three. Three promotions, not bad eh! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted January 3, 2022 2 hours ago, hogesar said: If we take similar size clubs and fan base there are for more examples of clubs that have underperformed compared to us. Actually, for every 1 you give me of a similar size that's out performing I can probably give you 3 that aren't. Not interested in failure... The argument that you don't try because others have failed, I find ridiculous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted January 3, 2022 Leeds, Wolves, Leicester, Brentford, Villa.. Sensible investment, being competitive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,940 Posted January 3, 2022 Was going to say, we've done well to get three promotions since 2015 in the first place, especially as administration was very much a possibility at the end of Farke's first season. Chuck in the improvements to facilities, the reduction of debt levels, and two Championships under Farke and it looks pretty great. This at the moment isn't great to put it mildly, but under the circumstances, the years under Webber as DoF really haven't been bad at all. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted January 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Ulfotto said: Bear in mind Watford may just shift players between Udinese and the other clubs they own. Watford’s owner only owns one club and his dad only owns one club. The family don’t own any other clubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kdncfc 27 Posted January 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said: Leeds, Wolves, Leicester, Brentford, Villa.. Sensible investment, being competitive. Southampton, Brighton and Palace. West Brom and Swansea stayed up for a few years, something we've only managed once in five attempts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinB 11 Posted January 3, 2022 If we’re to look at turning our fortunes around this season, the reality is we need to purchase 11 players of competent/average premier league quality. We don’t have the cash nor enough Crown Jewels to sell in order to facilitate such a flurry of activity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, hogesar said: Sheffield United had the recent opportunity and even stayed up for a season. Bournemouth were up for years yet have the same size ground. West Brom and Fulham perform similar to us. To attack the club for doing well enough to get promoted vs those who haven't even achieved that is weak to the extreme. Fulham and Bournemouth have both significantly outperformed us in recent years despite being substantially smaller clubs. the former with a redeveloped ground to show for it too. West Brom probably the closest comparable in terms of squandered opportunities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Canary 143 Posted January 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jim Smith said: Fulham and Bournemouth have both significantly outperformed us in recent years despite being substantially smaller clubs. the former with a redeveloped ground to show for it too. West Brom probably the closest comparable in terms of squandered opportunities. Fulham, Bournemouth and WBA all have wealthy owners. Never in a month of Sunday’s would Bournemouth transition from Div 4 to PL on 9k attendances without the Russian Olygark. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,747 Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, ged in the onion bag said: Three promotions, not bad eh! Of course we should accept the relegations that followed eh ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 855 Posted January 4, 2022 38 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: Of course we should accept the relegations that followed eh ! We accepted the promotions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Being the team most relegated from the top flight is not a stat I take pride from to be honest.. Edited January 4, 2022 by Kenny Foggo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean Coneys boots 1,400 Posted January 4, 2022 We have squandered the opportunities massively. Clubs we were once similar too have all changed ownership and pushed far ahead of us now: Watford, palace, wolves, Southampton, Burnley, etc… Our owners are just about the poorest in all 4 top divisions. Refusing to move from a local national ownership era into the global era will catch up with us eventually. If things do not change at the top then don’t be surprised if the club is playing league 1 or 2 football within a decade. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurwellCanary 216 Posted January 4, 2022 15 hours ago, kingsway said: Football never stands still like time itself so while it looks very unlikely we can stay up planning for the almost certain Championship campaign next season must get under way cause the current squad minus players won't be good to challenge for promotion. Also Smith and Shakespeare will want to stamp their own identity on the team. The current line up won't stay up so may as well have a good clear out in January. Sell Aarons and Cantwell and then things can progress. Idahs not good enough for this level so needs to go out on loan and may as well let Gilmour go back to Chelsea. These will free up funds and space for new signings! If we sell Aarons and Cantwell it would be interesting to see whether those fees are used to cover what we have already outlayed rather than fund new signings. It would suit the self funding model perfectly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,747 Posted January 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Kenny Foggo said: Being the team most relegated from the top flight is not a stat I take pride from to be honest.. The usual apologists will be lining up to tell you otherwise Kenny. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 26 Posted January 4, 2022 On 03/01/2022 at 20:05, Mr Angry said: Watford’s owner only owns one club and his dad only owns one club. The family don’t own any other clubs. Do they not own Granada as well? Or have they sold them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Alex said: Do they not own Granada as well? Or have they sold them? They sold it in 2016. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 372 Posted January 5, 2022 Id test the waters with Blackpool for Jerry Yates. Pretty tidy player, Blackburn have said they're not selling brererton who I also like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted January 5, 2022 Defensive midfeilders in the championship by rankings (by this site it appears). Surely worth a punt on one of these from one of the teams who don't have too much cash? At worse lays the foundations for next season. https://www.footballcritic.com/championship/season-2021-2022/player-stats/defensive-midfielders/ranking/292/50886 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
