Liverpool wont sign unvaccinated players..

[Naturalcynic 684]

3 minutes ago, king canary said:

It isn't hate spreading though- it's much more prosiac.

If you're paying money for a football player you want them to be available. If a player isn't vaccinated then the chances of that player being available goes down, while also increasing the risk of other players also not being available. So it simply makes sense to think twice about signing a player who won't get vaccinated in the same way you would a player with a chequered injury history.

And those of us working in primary healthcare have had to be vaccinated against Hep B as a condition of employment for decades.

[The Real Buh 3,493]

2 minutes ago, Hairy Canary said:

You do know the virus has evolved into something slightly different since that statement? It will continue to evolve just like the flu virus and just like it did when it evolved from only infecting bats into infecting people. 
 

There will be an on going need to develop the vaccine each year, just like the flu vaccine and selfish people like you who only see their own needs are going to put the vulnerable at more risk than necessary. 
 

Because I disagree with you doesn’t make me unintelligent. 

Just be like we’ve always vaccinated the whole population for the flu every year yeah?

Lockdown and endless vaccines is ruining society. It’s robbing children of their childhood. They’ll grow up on a society where you have to show your papers. Remember when we laughed at countryside that did that? Thought they were backwards?

At the very least I’m asking questions, you just take the latest b0llocks from the government happily. 

[The Real Buh 3,493]

7 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Now you’re just making yourself look very silly.

You look like a mug mate. Especially when you call people that have have 2 vaccinations anti-vax.

[Naturalcynic 684]

@The Real Buh

Whether or not you personally have been vaccinated, your opinions expressed on here are clearly designed to undermine confidence in the public health measures that the nation needs to implement in order protect its population and the NHS.  You need to stop seeing the world from your own selfish perspective and start looking at the bigger picture.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Naturalcynic

[The Real Buh 3,493]

2 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

@The Real Buh

Whether or not you personally have been vaccinated, your opinions expressed on here are clearly designed to undermine confidence in the public health measures that the nation needs to implement in order protect its population and the NHS.  You need to stop seeing the world from your own selfish perspective and start looking at the bigger picture.

Grass me up then. I get the feeling you’re a grass.
 

Double vaccinated and chucked in with the anti-vaxxers, you are so smart mate I can’t take it.

And me selfish? I say wanting healthy people to vaccinate and lockdown forever as selfish personally. Not letting children properly learn and socialise because you want to feel totally safe at all times? That’s selfish.

[Haus 260]

5 hours ago, Ward 3 said:

I dont know why he's saying that for. If the jabs so effective then why are boosters needed? It didn't work the first or second time, but a third booster will work? And make people immune 

Because your level of antibodies drops over time after having the jab initially. 

[Taiwan Canary 151]

Dear Buh, this is far more worrying than any Covid measures,  taking away the right to protest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police,_Crime,_Sentencing_and_Courts_Bill

The government are evil but getting  a booster is basic science. Tell me a good reason not to get one?

[The Real Buh 3,493]

1 minute ago, Taiwan Canary said:

Dear Buh, this is far more worrying than any Covid measures,  taking away the right to protest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police,_Crime,_Sentencing_and_Courts_Bill

The government are evil but getting  a booster is basic science. Tell me a good reason not to get one?

Because I’m a healthy adult with no underlying conditions

and if nobody says anything now it will be boosters forever and that’s not how you run a proper f@&king country.

Edited December 19, 2021 by The Real Buh

[Monty13 2,294]

44 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

I’ve been vaccinated twice, the third vaccination was for the elderly and people with conditions. We were LIED to and are being LIED TO right now. Vaccination passports are low grade authoritarianism and those that support them are just full on unintelligent.

What on Earth are you on about? You think the country is spending billions on boosters as part of an authoritarian plot?

[The Real Buh 3,493]

Just now, Monty13 said:

What on Earth are you on about? You think the country is spending billions on boosters as part of an authoritarian plot?

It’s an industry now I guess, an economy. 
 

it’s not the boosters, it’s the vaccine passport. Try and look beyond vaxxers vs anti-vaxxers it’s a more complex issue. Im Not denying science at all, the vaccines work that’s why I got one. But continuing the vaccinate everyone forever is not the way to run a country.
 

if you think that if you keep getting vaccinations you’ll get your freedom back you are having a laugh.

[curious yellow 184]

24 minutes ago, king canary said:

It isn't hate spreading though- it's much more prosiac.

If you're paying money for a football player you want them to be available. If a player isn't vaccinated then the chances of that player being available goes down, while also increasing the risk of other players also not being available. So it simply makes sense to think twice about signing a player who won't get vaccinated in the same way you would a player with a chequered injury history.

That is understandable and, right or wrong, it could be the policy of any club. 

However a public figure calling a group of people "a constant threat to all of us" is the worst form of hate mongering

You have to respect other people's opinions and not label them because of your own fears. 

[Monty13 2,294]

1 minute ago, The Real Buh said:

It’s an industry now I guess, an economy. 
 

it’s not the boosters, it’s the vaccine passport. Try and look beyond vaxxers vs anti-vaxxers it’s a more complex issue. Im Not denying science at all, the vaccines work that’s why I got one. But continuing the vaccinate everyone forever is not the way to run a country.
 

if you think that if you keep getting vaccinations you’ll get your freedom back you are having a laugh.

We have flu vaccines every year? For the exact same reason, although the affect of Flu isn’t as impactful as Covid.

Not saying I agree with passports, but I was confused on your stance on getting a booster considering the overwhelming evidence.

[The Real Buh 3,493]

1 minute ago, Monty13 said:

We have flu vaccines every year? For the exact same reason, although the affect of Flu isn’t as impactful as Covid.

Not saying I agree with passports, but I was confused on your stance on getting a booster considering the overwhelming evidence.

WE.HAVE.YEARLY.FLU.VACCINATIONS.FOR.THE.OLD.AND.PEOPLE.WITH.PRE-EXISTING.CONDITIONS

Is that clear enough for you? Not everyone, just the vulnerable. That’s how it should be. That’s the smart decision. That’s what the booster jab WAS FOR. Now it’s all of a sudden for Omicron?

[king canary 7,705]

5 minutes ago, curious yellow said:

You have to respect other people's opinions and not label them because of your own fears. 

You don't though do you.

When my dad was ill a distant relative him to reject all cancer treatment and instead eat lots of tomato soup. I made no secret of little that opinion was respected. 

[king canary 7,705]

3 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

That’s what the booster jab WAS FOR.

Is that actually true? Genuine question. I thought the plan was always that we needed to roll out boosters to pretty much everyone but we were starting with the vulnerable, this is just speeding up the process.

[The Real Buh 3,493]

Just now, king canary said:

Is that actually true? Genuine question. I thought the plan was always that we needed to roll out boosters to pretty much everyone but we were starting with the vulnerable, this is just speeding up the process.

It was 2 for everyone and a 3rd booster for the elderly and those with conditions. Moving towards yearly boosters for this group as we do with flu.

[Ken Hairy 3,810]

6 hours ago, Wings of a Sparrow said:

Is it a question you can ask? Is there a list somewhere?

Where I work we have to inform them of our vaccination status, as unvaccinated staff won't be paid for any Covid related time off whereas vaccinated staff are paid in full, so I guess there's some legality to it. 

[Indy 3,350]

31 minutes ago, Haus said:

Because your level of antibodies drops over time after having the jab initially. 

Add to that I believe data from Israel says that the booster level don’t drop as quickly as they did after two doses. So the yearly shot alongside flu jabs looks like the norm and anti viral drugs are really good against hospitalisation if you do catch Covid so let’s hope this is the start of the end of this ****e!

[Monty13 2,294]

3 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

WE.HAVE.YEARLY.FLU.VACCINATIONS.FOR.THE.OLD.AND.PEOPLE.WITH.PRE-EXISTING.CONDITIONS

Is that clear enough for you? Not everyone, just the vulnerable. That’s how it should be. That’s the smart decision. That’s what the booster jab WAS FOR. Now it’s all of a sudden for Omicron?

Err no, they are free for those groups as they are the most vulnerable but everyone can get them. Most companies give out vouchers, mine does and I got one this year. They only don’t give them free for everyone because £££ v risk with Flu.

No the booster is because the vaccines have been seen to become less effective after 6 months or so. They started with the vulnerable groups as they always do but a booster will benefit anybody.

I really don’t understand why you think people are getting boosters.

[The Real Buh 3,493]

Just now, Monty13 said:

Err no, they are free for those groups as they are the most vulnerable but everyone can get them. Most companies give out vouchers, mine does and I got one this year. They only don’t give them free for everyone because £££ v risk with Flu.

No the booster is because the vaccines have been seen to become less effective after 6 months or so. They started with the vulnerable groups as they always do but a booster will benefit anybody.

I really don’t understand why you think people are getting boosters.

So we’ve always routinely given flu shots to people on their 20s with no conditions, yeah?

have a word with yourself. You look foolish.

[Monty13 2,294]

Just now, The Real Buh said:

So we’ve always routinely given flu shots to people on their 20s with no conditions, yeah?

have a word with yourself. You look foolish.

If they wanted them and paid, yes. Did you honestly not know that thousands of people in this country get the Flu vaccine each year who don’t get it free on the NHS? 

I honestly have no idea what your point about boosters is. If you were fine getting two vaccines I don’t know why a scientific decision to increase to 3 has sent you over the edge.

[The Real Buh 3,493]

3 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

If they wanted them and paid, yes. Did you honestly not know that thousands of people in this country get the Flu vaccine each year who don’t get it free on the NHS? 

I honestly have no idea what your point about boosters is. If you were fine getting two vaccines I don’t know why a scientific decision to increase to 3 has sent you over the edge.

The whole country’s 20 year olds get the flu jab and it’s enforced with a passport every year, yeah?

The deal was 2 vaccines gives you fully vaccinated status. Subsequent jabs were for those in vulnerable groups. The third jab wasn’t even added to the NHS jab until recently.

”you’ve had the first 2 jabs, why won’t you get another 6 more?”

lied to. I’m sure I’ll get railroaded into getting the third jab and the fourth but I’m not just going to get it no questions asked.

the fact you’ve selectively forgot about the third jab being a booster for the vulnerable is frankly terrifying. Re-writing history.

You thinking everyone got flu jabs every year is just you being ignorant. I’ve never had one in my whole life, only vulnerable people have had them. You look foolish saying that.

[Ward 3 386]

50 minutes ago, Haus said:

Because your level of antibodies drops over time after having the jab initially. 

But wasn't it going to be once a year, then changed to every 6 months? I've given up after the boosters and reading more into it. 

[Ward 3 386]

I wasn't fussed about having a jab or not, I would've rather an elderly person or someone who needed it more have it than myself. But that's just me 

[Capt. Pants 4,334]

Deano making his and the clubs position pretty clear. 90% double vaccinated and being encouraged to get boosters.

Well done Deano.

[Monty13 2,294]

1 minute ago, The Real Buh said:

The whole country’s 20 year olds get the flu jab and it’s enforced with a passport every year, yeah?

Not what I said or what you asked, but hey, here’s some goalposts so you can continue to keep moving them.

4 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

The whole country’s 20 year olds get the flu jab and it’s enforced with a passport every year, yeah?

The deal was 2 vaccines gives you fully vaccinated status. Subsequent jabs were for those in vulnerable groups. The third jab wasn’t even added to the NHS jab until recently.

”you’ve had the first 2 jabs, why won’t you get another 6 more?”

lied to. I’m sure I’ll get railroaded into getting the third jab and the fourth but I’m not just going to get it no questions asked.

the fact you’ve selectively forgot about the third jab being a booster for the vulnerable is frankly terrifying. Re-writing history.

You thinking everyone got flu jabs every year is just you being ignorant. I’ve never had one in my whole life, only vulnerable people have had them. You look foolish saying that.

The scientific evidence is that you need the 3rd booster as the vaccine is seen to wane in effectiveness after approx 6 months without it. It may have been only for vulnerable initially but the evidence changed which isn’t surprising as we’ve only had the vaccines for less than a year.

I continue to have no idea why you think the country is spending billions on boosters.

[The Real Buh 3,493]

7 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

Not what I said or what you asked, but hey, here’s some goalposts so you can continue to keep moving them.

The scientific evidence is that you need the 3rd booster as the vaccine is seen to wane in effectiveness after approx 6 months without it. It may have been only for vulnerable initially but the evidence changed which isn’t surprising as we’ve only had the vaccines for less than a year.

I continue to have no idea why you think the country is spending billions on boosters.

here’s a picture of you reversing your position now I’ve called you out. Flu jabs were never routine for every member of society as covid jabs appear to be heading

It’s probably MPs with shares in Pfizer but that’s another subject.

The fact you want to keep having healthy people take a vaccine they don’t necessarily need makes YOU the selfish one. We need to protect the vulnerable, that’s what we have always done. Now it’s “get your papers ready”. 

Edited December 19, 2021 by The Real Buh

[Capt. Pants 4,334]

14 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

The whole country’s 20 year olds get the flu jab and it’s enforced with a passport every year, yeah?

The deal was 2 vaccines gives you fully vaccinated status. Subsequent jabs were for those in vulnerable groups. The third jab wasn’t even added to the NHS jab until recently.

”you’ve had the first 2 jabs, why won’t you get another 6 more?”

lied to. I’m sure I’ll get railroaded into getting the third jab and the fourth but I’m not just going to get it no questions asked.

the fact you’ve selectively forgot about the third jab being a booster for the vulnerable is frankly terrifying. Re-writing history.

You thinking everyone got flu jabs every year is just you being ignorant. I’ve never had one in my whole life, only vulnerable people have had them. You look foolish saying that.

It's your choice. If you feel that strongly about it, why will you be rail roaded?

What questions and who will you ask them of? Just the Pinkun?

[Hairy Canary 714]

45 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

It was 2 for everyone and a 3rd booster for the elderly and those with conditions. Moving towards yearly boosters for this group as we do with flu.

For goodness sake! Omnicron didn’t even exist when that statement was made!

[The Real Buh 3,493]

3 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

It's your choice. If you feel that strongly about it, why will you be rail roaded?

What questions and who will you ask them of? Just the Pinkun?

I’m not queuing up like a mug, especially if there are people that actually need the vaccine and can’t get an appointment, you know, like what’s happening now. More selfish behaviour.

Im sure I’ll need the third jab, which was literally for 90 year olds and people with pre existing conditions initially just a reminder of that, to get into football grounds and gyms and to travel abroad and whatever so I’ll be railroaded into doing it. Coerced. Like it’s been said “why wouldn’t you get the third jab” they’ll be saying “why won’t you get the fourth jab it’s just 2 more weeks to flatten the curve durrrrr” 

I think the amount of people that feel betrayed and lied to about vaccines (2 being necessary for fully vaccinated status) and don’t want vaccine passports is a lot more than the government and those who can’t wait to get their 8th jab would like to believe. And the route is obviously to label those people as anti-vaxxers. You know, people that got vaccinations. That’ll end well. That won’t mobilise those people at all.

have your papers ready everyone.