All prem teams asked if they want their owners to remain..

[Essex_Canary 6]

1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said:

I don't think our 70% is far out especially when you compare it to Burnley.

Would expect Burnley to be a lot lower given that they’ve gone from being debt free and owned by fans with £40m cash to a leveraged takeover which leaves them with c.£90m debt

[Badger 2,405]

25 minutes ago, Essex_Canary said:

Would expect Burnley to be a lot lower given that they’ve gone from being debt free and owned by fans with £40m cash to a leveraged takeover which leaves them with c.£90m debt

They probably haven't realised yet. Some of them will still be excited because they've got "American investors."

[sgncfc 1,228]

FFP doesn't allow rich owners to just buy players even if they wanted to. Man City got into trouble because they tried to manipulate their "income" by inflating their sponsorship deal with themselves (ie Etihad, the state owned airline) so they could justify spending more. The "leveraged buy out" or "interest paid loan" are really the only two ways clubs can get cash into the bank to buy players.

Naming rights; sponsorships etc - these are minor amounts being brought in, even to the big clubs, now that transfer fees are completely stupid.

And I read today that even the mighty Barcelona have a net worth of minus £400m or something silly.

The chickens are starting to come home. Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Juventus are in equally bad trouble.

[Leedscanary 340]

Out of everyone who has replied to this topic - who was asked the question as part of this poll?

I wasn’t - who are the City fans that are speaking for me?

There seems to be a bubble of people that constantly get asked for opinions that are then lauded as “the view of the fans”

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,560]

2 minutes ago, Leedscanary said:

Out of everyone who has replied to this topic - who was asked the question as part of this poll?

I wasn’t - who are the City fans that are speaking for me?

There seems to be a bubble of people that constantly get asked for opinions that are then lauded as “the view of the fans”

It was carried out by YouGov (as it clearly states).

Anyone can register with YouGov to be someone they ask these survey questions to - you complete a profile with information about yourself and if it matches a survey they have been asked to carry out they will contact you. 

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

3 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

It was carried out by YouGov (as it clearly states).

Anyone can register with YouGov to be someone they ask these survey questions to - you complete a profile with information about yourself and if it matches a survey they have been asked to carry out they will contact you. 

Is this a data gathering exercise? Are you allowed to prevent them from selling you data?

 

[hogesar 9,676]

Let's be honest, we've all met other football fans. What % of them, or the general population, are actually capable of critical thinking within context? There's a small number of 'fans' who want Delia out purely because she's a woman. There's another small number who want her out because they still believe to this very day she's an 'Ipswich fan'. These people walk among us, however much we may not like it.

70% seems pretty fair when you consider the bloke behind me on Saturday has already started with "Farke, you're not good enough for us anymore" after the first game...

[Nuff Said 5,142]

14 hours ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

As much as I like so much of what our owners do I'm on the fence. I wouldn't want them to sell to just anyone but if Father Christmas with money and a vision to take the club forward came along I would hope they stepped aside. 

Fixed that for you. 

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,560]

9 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Is this a data gathering exercise? Are you allowed to prevent them from selling you data?

 

YouGov make money by carrying out surveys for third parties (in this case SkyBet). You’d have to check their T&Cs to see how much info they sell. 

[cornish sam 954]

I'd be interested to see what the options available were on this poll as the question seems to have been "what are your hopes for the ownership of your club?" Which seems pretty vague and would likely have had multiple options (including a no opinion one) that would them be grouped according to what narrative skybet wanted to push. Also there would likely be a series of questions which led up to this that could frame people's response much better.

 

 

 

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,138]

27 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Fixed that for you. 

What mythical benevolent characters are in charge or Leicester, Brighton, Wolves etc then? 

You just go round and round in circles with discussions like this. There are valid arguments on both sides. My point was that the owners should be open to a takeover if not desperately seeking it out and that that this is as good as it gets under these financial restrictions for me and that if it doesn't work this year it never will, plus yo-yoing won't be sustainable. 

The only wrong answers here are that the current owners and their relatives should stay in charge forever regardless of what opportunities arise or that we sell the club imminently to whoever just happens to have more money. The middle ground here is huge though, I think where I and a lot of others differ is that they would only want a Leicester or Man City type benevolant owner if not Delia whereas I'd be happy to have owners like Gold/Sullivan or the Pozzo's who are far from perfect and have their downsides as owners but would allow us to POTENTIALLY  be competitive at a higher level than we are operating at now. 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Christoph Stiepermann

[Alex Moss 2,165]

Would be interested to see *all* clubs results from surveys taken via actual registered supporters not a YouGov which isn’t exactly conclusive. 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,431]

12 hours ago, Badger said:

The owner wants out.

We don't have last year's financial results, but they are bound to have lost at least a further 20+ million. Even before this, they were well over 100 million in debt including a debt of about 80 million, borrowed at 9 and quarter percent! It is secured against all the club's assets and has to be repaid in full in 2025.

We keep on hearing about how much better off every other club is, but the reality is that the money they have borrowed has to be paid back. Most owners don't just give the money, but charged interest on it! There are of course, a few "downer owners," who don't expect to get the money back, but most clubs have "investors" who want to make a profit!

Yay Badger !!! You got an interest rate in 😂

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

44 minutes ago, Alex Moss said:

Would be interested to see *all* clubs results from surveys taken via actual registered supporters not a YouGov which isn’t exactly conclusive. 

YouGov isn't exactly back of a fag packet though is it, they've called the last two by-elections perfectly.

70% feels about right to those who observe twitter, facebook, and pub chat, would feel a bit low to those who just observe the Pinkun forum.

Edited August 17, 2021 by TeemuVanBasten

[Alex Moss 2,165]

4 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

YouGov isn't exactly back of a fag packet though is it, they've called the last two by-elections perfectly.

70% feels about right to those who observe twitter, facebook, and pub chat, would feel a bit low to those who just observe the Pinkun forum.

Exactly, Teemu, that’s why I’d love to see the survey reach a broader audience. From what I’ve seen on the internet lots of supporters were unaware of it even if it is YouGov.

[Mello Yello 2,296]

Wonder what the percentage would be if Neppers Tom was at the helm?.....

[Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891]

1 hour ago, hogesar said:

Let's be honest, we've all met other football fans. What % of them, or the general population, are actually capable of critical thinking within context? There's a small number of 'fans' who want Delia out purely because she's a woman. There's another small number who want her out because they still believe to this very day she's an 'Ipswich fan'. These people walk among us, however much we may not like it.

I think it's probably a bit more nuanced than the 30% all being thick/sexists or thicky sexists; they might just have a different opinion to you. A lot of it will also depend on the wording of the question.

Someone could equally say something derogatory about the 70%...but it wouldn't really get us anywhere. Other than fans arguing with other fans.

"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."

OTBC

[Badger 2,405]

22 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Yay Badger !!! You got an interest rate in 😂

😃

Yes, but it's an important point. It's why clubs with investors actually end up with less money in the long run.

In Southampton's case they are going to have to find nearly £120 million by 2025 in interest and repayments on their MSD loan.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Badger
Added last sentence

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

19 minutes ago, Alex Moss said:

Exactly, Teemu, that’s why I’d love to see the survey reach a broader audience. From what I’ve seen on the internet lots of supporters were unaware of it even if it is YouGov.

These polls have a quota, which is the 'sample size', it isn't about reaching as many people as possible as that would just make the exercise too expensive. So it might be 200 fans per club, and it might be x% of 16-24, and x% of 25 to 34, etc etc, and x% of female, and x% of male.

Somebody commissions this polling, they set a budget, the larger the dataset the more expensive the exercise. I had to do MRS (Market Research Society) qualifications for a previous role of mine, and that is how it works. You can't just open it up to an unlimited number of responses, would end up with 1 million replies across the 20 clubs. 

Looks like they've done a decent job of the survey, Leicester are exactly where you would expect them to be, as are Newcastle, 70% is probably a fair enough indication of where we stand and Delia should be content with that.

Edited August 17, 2021 by TeemuVanBasten

[Badger 2,405]

10 hours ago, sgncfc said:

FFP doesn't allow rich owners to just buy players even if they wanted to. Man City got into trouble because they tried to manipulate their "income" by inflating their sponsorship deal with themselves (ie Etihad, the state owned airline) so they could justify spending more. The "leveraged buy out" or "interest paid loan" are really the only two ways clubs can get cash into the bank to buy players.

Naming rights; sponsorships etc - these are minor amounts being brought in, even to the big clubs, now that transfer fees are completely stupid.

And I read today that even the mighty Barcelona have a net worth of minus £400m or something silly.

The chickens are starting to come home. Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Juventus are in equally bad trouble.

Indeed!

"Laporta said his administration had been forced to seek an €80m loan in order to pay players as soon as it took over after March’s elections, that they have since had to agree another credit of €550m in order to restructure debts, and that they are in effect bankrupt, with the club’s net worth standing at minus €451m."

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/16/barcelona-president-laporta-blames-bartomeu-for-clubs-worrying-135bn-debt

[Badger 2,405]

1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:

Is this a data gathering exercise? Are you allowed to prevent them from selling you data?

 

If you sign up to join (as I have) I very much doubt it! You are, in effect, selling them your opinion and data. With google, you are dong it for free!

[hogesar 9,676]

16 minutes ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said:

I think it's probably a bit more nuanced than the 30% all being thick/sexists or thicky sexists; they might just have a different opinion to you. A lot of it will also depend on the wording of the question.

Someone could equally say something derogatory about the 70%...but it wouldn't really get us anywhere. Other than fans arguing with other fans.

"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."

OTBC

I agree, but I gave genuine examples on why some fans want Delia out. It's all there posted online in the archives for people to see. 

It's those people, who want Delia out because shes a woman, or because she's an Ipswich fan - who I won't apologise for saying they're thick and a detriment to society.

[Badger 2,405]

1 hour ago, hogesar said:

Let's be honest, we've all met other football fans. What % of them, or the general population, are actually capable of critical thinking within context? There's a small number of 'fans' who want Delia out purely because she's a woman. There's another small number who want her out because they still believe to this very day she's an 'Ipswich fan'. These people walk among us, however much we may not like it.

Don't forget another small percentage who are politically motivated against the "socialist." Plenty of posts about her politics in the past.

[hogesar 9,676]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Don't forget another small percentage who are politically motivated against the "socialist." Plenty of posts about her politics in the past.

Oh yeah, them too. 

[Badger 2,405]

As part of the same survey:

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

2 hours ago, hogesar said:

Let's be honest, we've all met other football fans. What % of them, or the general population, are actually capable of critical thinking within context? There's a small number of 'fans' who want Delia out purely because she's a woman. There's another small number who want her out because they still believe to this very day she's an 'Ipswich fan'. These people walk among us, however much we may not like it.

70% seems pretty fair when you consider the bloke behind me on Saturday has already started with "Farke, you're not good enough for us anymore" after the first game...

I love the irony in you thinking that those incapable of critical thinking must all fall within the 30%, based entirely on anecdotal evidence. 

I personally just about fall within the 70%, hesitantly because actually I'm very wary of the succession plan. 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by TeemuVanBasten

[hogesar 9,676]

2 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I love the irony in you thinking that those incapable of critical thinking must all fall within the 30%, based entirely on anecdotal evidence. 

I personally just about fall within the 70%, hesitantly because actually I'm very wary of the succession plan. 

 

 

I didn't say they all fall within the 30%

However those who want Delia out because she's a woman, Ipswich fan or one of those reasons are most certainly within the 30%

[Badger 2,405]

2 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I'm very wary of the succession plan

What is the succession plan and why do you think it is worse than the succession plan of for example, Brighton, Southampton, Watford or Palace?

[Haus 259]

10 hours ago, sgncfc said:

FFP doesn't allow rich owners to just buy players even if they wanted to. Man City got into trouble because they tried to manipulate their "income" by inflating their sponsorship deal with themselves (ie Etihad, the state owned airline) so they could justify spending more. The "leveraged buy out" or "interest paid loan" are really the only two ways clubs can get cash into the bank to buy players.

Naming rights; sponsorships etc - these are minor amounts being brought in, even to the big clubs, now that transfer fees are completely stupid.

And I read today that even the mighty Barcelona have a net worth of minus £400m or something silly.

The chickens are starting to come home. Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Juventus are in equally bad trouble.

Man City didnt get in much trouble though

[Badger 2,405]

7 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I love the irony in you thinking that those incapable of critical thinking must all fall within the 30%, based entirely on anecdotal evidence.

He specifically said a "small number" not "all" as you have said.