More Israeli war crimes

[kick it off 1,952]

The latest in a long line including using chemical weapons on civilians and obviously their  consistent indiscriminate targetting and genocide of the Palestinian people.

This time, they've unleashed air strikes on a refugee camp. Harrowing images of a 5 month old baby pulled alive from the rubble, where he lay next to his mother's corpse.

As many of you know, my Grandad was in a concentration camp and many family members were murdered by the Nazis.... Horrific crimes committed against Jewish people 80 years ago, does not excuse the Israeli state committing genocide. If anyone should be sympathetic towards Israel, it's me, but how the **** do you sympathise with a country that responds to stone throwing with massive bombs, a country built on the foundations of the horrors of concentration camps, that then go and turn Gaza into the largest one the world has ever seen? A country that routinely deliberately bombs civilians and denies basic human rights, all the while building illegal settlements to prevent the possibility of any future peaceful two state resolution. A country where the soldiers print tshirts showing preganant women in crosshairs with the slogan "1 shot, 2 kills" and murdered children with the slogan "better use Durex".

I am sick to the back ****ing teeth of Israel using "Anti-semitism" as a ****ing shield for genocide. It's not anti-semitic to be against the way they behave. It is anti-semitic to discriminate against Jewish people, but that should not be conflated with the mass-murder of an entire nation, Israel is one of the most racist countries on ****ing Earth ironically enough. There is NOTHING anti-semitic about being anti-Israel.

It's about time the world put a ****ing stop to this. Why is it that we consistently let them get away with it? There's literally no difference between the way the Nazis treated the Jews and the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians. The world should be waging war to stop this, and they should have done it in 1967 when they landgrabbed, but Israel has always been protected by the USA. It's ****ing disgusting, wrong and makes me physically sick that we stand by and watch this happen.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9581639/Five-month-old-baby-boy-pulled-ALIVE-rubble-Israeli-air-strike-Gaza-refugee-camp.html

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[Bosch_10 1]

It was this clip that changed my thinking many years ago.

Norman Finkelstein
 

seems to be an effort to label anti isreal protests as anti semitic but with celebrities like Mark Ruffalo calling for sanctions against Israel it seems the world may now take notice.

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4 minutes ago, Bosch_10 said:

It was this clip that changed my thinking many years ago.

Norman Finkelstein
 

seems to be an effort to label anti isreal protests as anti semitic but with celebrities like Mark Ruffalo calling for sanctions against Israel it seems the world may now take notice.

Never seen that before. That's incredibly powerful.

The effort to conflate anti-Israel and anti-semitism is longstanding and is just another tool in the arsenal to try to silence the critics.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

In 1967, as a teenager, I was outraged at what appeared to be a unified attempt by what were called Arab states to eradicate Israel from the map.

Surely the world owed the Jewish people a homeland of sorts after the atrocities toward them after WWII. Why couldn't people, who appeared to be cut from the same tree, coexist?

Now, we have a nation that, I assume mandated by the people, to treat the world with disdain. And to treat their nearest neighbours, Palestine or the West Bank, brutally. Can they not coexist? Hamas may well be an extremist group, but my guess is the majority of Palestinians just want similar things to the rest of us. Lets face it, the Likud party morphed out of the Irgun.

Recent years has seen the expansion of the state of Israel into areas which "biblically" were theirs. And Jerusalem continues to expand. I was there three years ago and saw the building being carried out. And I found the city an awfully sad place, Jew and Muslim anger abounded, whereas I found Haifa a lovely peaceful place.

The West has always supported Israel for various political reasons and allowed it to illegally have nuclear weapons. With this support and apparent buffer against the muslim hoardes that the west fears, Israel has with impunity, carried out unnecessary force against Palestinians.

Unfortunately, I do not see any change of heart from the west and Israel itself. Now they want to evict people from land those people have lived on for years. In fact I heard one Israeli say that they aren't doing anything useful with it so we might as well have it.

And the ridiculous assertions that many politicians who speak up are anti semitic is just ludicrous and a smoke screen. And been used as a political tool by the right wing in the UK.

[Renskay 36]

This happened at a Synagogue in Norwich.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-57121951

[Herman 9,768]

These two things are both correct. Whoever did that is a proper scumbag. The Israeli government is acting in an appalling way. 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

Yet again, "anti-Semitism" is the go-to lie to obfuscate the fact that the current Israeli government is stealing Palestinian land. Dress it up all they like, but that's precisely what they're doing.

[Herman 9,768]

Blowing up a building because it housed numerous news agencies and for no other reason is simply a crime. Absolutely no justification for it at all. The Israeli government has billions worth of advanced weaponry and intelligence so targetting of this and a refugee camp are deliberate escalations of a war they provoked.

 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

Apparently it's fine to bomb Iraq due to their treatment of the Kuwaitis, and it was apparently fine to bomb Libya for...whatever reason, but Israel gets a free pass. It should be bombed into the Med.

Edited May 16, 2021 by TheGunnShow

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1 hour ago, Herman said:

Blowing up a building because it housed numerous news agencies and for no other reason is simply a crime. Absolutely no justification for it at all. The Israeli government has billions worth of advanced weaponry and intelligence so targetting of this and a refugee camp are deliberate escalations of a war they provoked.

 

It's all wrapped  up in Netanyahu failing to get a majority or be able to form a workable coalition in the most recent elections. If in doubt, kill a few Palestinians. Sure fire vote winner. Utterly vile and reprehensible in every which way.

[Deptford Yellow 258]

1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

Apparently it's fine to bomb Iraq due to their treatment of the Kuwaitis, and it was apparently fine to bomb Libya for...whatever reason, but Israel gets a free pass. It should be bombed into the Med.

The suggestion that Israel get ‘ bombed in to the med ‘ is an example of where the heights of feeling take this debate, and in Israel/Palestine where it takes the protagonists ... Notwithstanding the essential truths already espoused above about this utterly one sided conflict....

Hows about less bombing, and the ‘radical’ idea of a single country where every adult has one vote ..? The so-called idea/aim of a ‘two state solution’ has been an ongoing smoke screen for ongoing colonialism for too long that the Israeli’s don’t even pretend to go along with anymore......

The Israeli establishment holds all the cards ultimately and could have worked towards some kind of - if not truly just, then perhaps at least viable - peace, however their agenda has simply been dominance and domination, quite where they think this would leave their fellow human beings the Palestinians is a moot and telling question.

[Herman 9,768]

Fair post @Deptford Yellow.👍

[horsefly 4,301]

It seems a horrible fact that conflict suits both the far right in Israel and Hamas in Palestine. It provides each side with an excuse to escalate tension and serve their own extremist agendas. 

The USA is ultimately key to controlling Israeli behaviour.Sadly, Trump gave them carte blanche to do what they want, Biden needs to rein them in again.

Edited May 16, 2021 by horsefly

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

28 minutes ago, Deptford Yellow said:

The suggestion that Israel get ‘ bombed in to the med ‘ is an example of where the heights of feeling take this debate, and in Israel/Palestine where it takes the protagonists ... Notwithstanding the essential truths already espoused above about this utterly one sided conflict....

Hows about less bombing, and the ‘radical’ idea of a single country where every adult has one vote ..? The so-called idea/aim of a ‘two state solution’ has been an ongoing smoke screen for ongoing colonialism for too long that the Israeli’s don’t even pretend to go along with anymore......

The Israeli establishment holds all the cards ultimately and could have worked towards some kind of - if not truly just, then perhaps at least viable - peace, however their agenda has simply been dominance and domination, quite where they think this would leave their fellow human beings the Palestinians is a moot and telling question.

Agree fundamentally, but one thing is clear. This state under Netanyahu clearly will not stop at anything beyond stealing all the land - which pretty much is the crux of what your second and third paragraph says.

[PurpleCanary 5,562]

17 minutes ago, horsefly said:

It seems a horrible fact that conflict suits both the far right in Israel and Hamas in Palestine. It provides each side with an excuse to escalate tension and serve their own extremist agendas. 

The USA is ultimately key to controlling Israeli behaviour.Sadly, Trump gave them carte blanche to do what they want, Biden needs to rein them in again.

Reining in Israel at best only perpetuates the repressive status quo, and in reality almost certainly means the theft of land will carry on, albeit perhaps more slowly. Deptford Yellow wonders what the Israeli establishment thinks of the plight of the Palestinians. I am afraid that for the increasinly dominant Zionist ideologues that is not really something that concerns them. For a proper and just solution the US actually has to side with the Palestinians. Which in a list of unlikely events would be close to the top.

[horsefly 4,301]

1 minute ago, PurpleCanary said:

Reining in Israel at best only perpetuates the repressive status quo, and in reality almost certainly means the theft of land will carry on, albeit perhaps more slowly. Deptford Yellow wonders what the Israeli establishment thinks of the plight of the Palestinians. I am afraid that for the increasinly dominant Zionist ideologues that is not really something that concerns them. For a proper and just solution the US actually has to side with the Palestinians. Which in a list of unlikely events would be close to the top.

Indeed! I fear that "reining in" is the best that can be hoped for as the current conflict escalates. There is simply no prospect at all that the US would side with the Palestinians. 

[Jools 584]

8 hours ago, Herman said:

Blowing up a building because it housed numerous news agencies and for no other reason is simply a crime. Absolutely no justification for it at all. The Israeli government has billions worth of advanced weaponry and intelligence so targetting of this and a refugee camp are deliberate escalations of a war they provoked.

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 minutes ago, Jools said:

Well well well. Surprise of the day. Jools sides with Israel. Posts message about Hamas but Capitol Building insurgents are patriots. Town Hall Clock.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

8 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

Yet again, "anti-Semitism" is the go-to lie to obfuscate the fact that the current Israeli government is stealing Palestinian land. Dress it up all they like, but that's precisely what they're doing.

Saying the Israelis are stealing Palestinian land is a bit like saying we should have left the Germans to occupy the Channel Islands after WW2.

Over 2,500 rockets have been fired indiscriminately into Israeli territory from Gaza in the past week. Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed. When you have a neighbour on your doorstep who is determined to kill you, then you are entitled to defend yourself. If a country were to fire a single rocket into the UK we would be entitled to take retaliatory action. When Palestine goes to war with Israel then Israel is entitled to bring war to Israel. 

[Herman 9,768]

37 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Well well well. Surprise of the day. Jools sides with Israel. Posts message about Hamas but Capitol Building insurgents are patriots. Town Hall Clock.

Posobiec is a well known trump apologist and liar. Ignore. 

[BigFish 1,987]

26 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

 Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed.

This is what is known as a lie. How many Israeli citizens have actualy been killed @Rock The Boat?

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

37 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Saying the Israelis are stealing Palestinian land is a bit like saying we should have left the Germans to occupy the Channel Islands after WW2.

Over 2,500 rockets have been fired indiscriminately into Israeli territory from Gaza in the past week. Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed. When you have a neighbour on your doorstep who is determined to kill you, then you are entitled to defend yourself. If a country were to fire a single rocket into the UK we would be entitled to take retaliatory action. When Palestine goes to war with Israel then Israel is entitled to bring war to Israel. 

None of that explains invasion of Palestinian land and driving their residents off their land. As for "thousands of innocent civilians", that's a lie as the number of Israeli casualties is way below that. Furthermore, and most importantly, Palestinian rockets are being fired in response to Zionists stealing their land.

False equivalences. The UK is not invading and stealing land, so unsurprisingly people aren't lobbing rockets at the UK.

All these Zionists have are lies, obfuscation, and genocide. Expecting their victims to stay quiet is illogical in the extreme. But that's what they want. Bomb the Palestinians - if they don't react, then carte blanche to do more, and if they react, cry and whinge.

Israel can do better than that. And I'll readily accept that large swathes of both populations want it. But we won't get anywhere with idiots like Netanyahu in there.
 

[Indy 3,300]

46 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Saying the Israelis are stealing Palestinian land is a bit like saying we should have left the Germans to occupy the Channel Islands after WW2.

Over 2,500 rockets have been fired indiscriminately into Israeli territory from Gaza in the past week. Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed. When you have a neighbour on your doorstep who is determined to kill you, then you are entitled to defend yourself. If a country were to fire a single rocket into the UK we would be entitled to take retaliatory action. When Palestine goes to war with Israel then Israel is entitled to bring war to Israel. 

Strictly not true, Israel was created after the First World War and was recognised after the British helped established it there in 1948. Since then they have expanded their territory into what was Palestine, causing lots of conflicts.....all based on the misguided b****s of their religious beliefs to the holy city! Yet another area of mans ultimate stupidity unable to live on the same planet and work together for the greater good.

Both sides as bad as each other, knowing the whatever Israel does will never be condemned by the west.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Indy

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

Saying the Israelis are stealing Palestinian land is a bit like saying we should have left the Germans to occupy the Channel Islands after WW2.

Over 2,500 rockets have been fired indiscriminately into Israeli territory from Gaza in the past week. Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed. When you have a neighbour on your doorstep who is determined to kill you, then you are entitled to defend yourself. If a country were to fire a single rocket into the UK we would be entitled to take retaliatory action. When Palestine goes to war with Israel then Israel is entitled to bring war to Israel. 

I wondered when you would pipe up. Jools given you the excuse?

Thousands haven't died. Not on either or both sides.

How can you compare the catalyst for the latest conflict to WWII? The Israeli government expansion program means they are taking land that is not theirs. Imagine your neighbour taking your garden because he needs it to build a house for a family member. We have recourse to use the legal system. The Palestinians do not.

[ricardo 7,395]

Oh deary me

 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

15 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Oh deary me

 

Oh deary me, Priti Patel. Being a hypocrite again, are you? As much as this hatred has no place in the UK, how about these Israeli arms deals??

The UK has been supporting Israeli war crimes for years. | Red Pepper

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

These vile idiots are just giving an excuse for the righties to claim foul and lets all support Israel. The Met should stop them.

Of course Patel should come out and decry what is happening in Gaza.

[ricardo 7,395]

 

[Herman 9,768]

Oh FFS!