More Israeli war crimes

[Jools 584]

4 minutes ago, Deptford Yellow said:

Big nose ??

[Deptford Yellow 259]

5 minutes ago, Jools said:

Bringing physical characteristics in to this has a long and undistinguished history .......

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

6 minutes ago, Jools said:

You are lower than a snake's belly. Do you not see the irony with what Israel is doing? I know you think you are clever but you show very little sign of it.

And you couldn't even admit you got it wrong about the newly, popular, re-elected Mayor of London.

The Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said the police had his "full backing" for their zero-tolerance approach, and Londoners could expect to see "high visibility police patrols".

"Hate crimes are inexcusable and have no place in our city," he said.

[Jools 584]

11 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

You are lower than a snake's belly. Do you not see the irony with what Israel is doing? I know you think you are clever but you show very little sign of it.

And you couldn't even admit you got it wrong about the newly, popular, re-elected Mayor of London.

The Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said the police had his "full backing" for their zero-tolerance approach, and Londoners could expect to see "high visibility police patrols".

"Hate crimes are inexcusable and have no place in our city," he said.

Because Cressida and the Mayor of London have really got a handle on knife crime and crime in general haven't they 🤪

London has worse crime stats than New York, ffs.

[A Load of Squit 5,173]

2 minutes ago, Jools said:

Because Cressida and the Mayor of London have really got a handle on knife crime and crime in general haven't they 🤪

London has worse crime stats than New York, ffs.

More lies.

[Jools 584]

8 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

More lies.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=United+States&city2=New+York%2C+NY

[MooreMarriot 311]

8 minutes ago, Jools said:

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=United+States&city2=New+York%2C+NY

There are no crime stats in your link , no actual numbers at all. It consists of peoples perceived crime threat in response to questions, 

Lay off the drugs .

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

So, when are the Zionist imperialists going to stop stealing Palestinian land?

[Renskay 36]

2 hours ago, ricardo said:

When are you expecting human nature to change?

Why does it require such immediate a response to remove a post, to the extent I couldn't even see your reply to it, just about a reference to something that happened nearly 1000 years ago? I wasn't familiar with the incident but upon further research it looks like there's some merit to the point that it WAS indeed a sacrifice but that bears no weight on Jews within Norwich today as it happened as I said nearly 1000 years ago.

Sorry @ricardo I thought I was replying to @BigFish

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Renskay

[Renskay 36]

On 15/05/2021 at 13:14, Bosch_10 said:

It was this clip that changed my thinking many years ago.

Norman Finkelstein
 

seems to be an effort to label anti isreal protests as anti semitic but with celebrities like Mark Ruffalo calling for sanctions against Israel it seems the world may now take notice.

 To this point, I recall  a video clip of Shulamit Aloni - Former Member of the Israeli government stating in a interview "Anti-semitism is a trick" used to silence argument against Israel.

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Renskay

[Renskay 36]

2 hours ago, BigFish said:

Never unless we make a stand. That you tolerate anti-semitic posts says more about you than human nature. I reported @Renskay post and it was quickly deleted.

The characterisation as "anti-semitic " for my post which just merely referenced an incident from history strikes me as quite absurd and very peculiar.

[ricardo 7,395]

45 minutes ago, Renskay said:

Why does it require such immediate a response to remove a post, to the extent I couldn't even see your reply to it, just about a reference to something that happened nearly 1000 years ago? I wasn't familiar with the incident but upon further research it looks like there's some merit to the point that it WAS indeed a sacrifice but that bears no weight on Jews within Norwich today as it happened as I said nearly 1000 years ago.

Sorry @ricardo I thought I was replying to @BigFish

 

No problem, I took no offence, neither did I regard it as anything other than a historical reference.

[ricardo 7,395]

1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

So, when are the Zionist imperialists going to stop stealing Palestinian land?

About the same time as the Ottoman Turks return to reclaim it.

[Jools 584]

2 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

You are lower than a snake's belly. Do you not see the irony with what Israel is doing? I know you think you are clever but you show very little sign of it.

And you couldn't even admit you got it wrong about the newly, popular, re-elected Mayor of London.

The Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said the police had his "full backing" for their zero-tolerance approach, and Londoners could expect to see "high visibility police patrols".

"Hate crimes are inexcusable and have no place in our city," he said.

Quite right, Mr Atherton 👍 God forbid he upsets his voters...

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

3 hours ago, Deptford Yellow said:

Israel’s refusal to achieve a diplomatic solution with the (secular) PLO is what lead to the rise of Hamas... Time to for some people to read a little bit more history perhaps ....

Not true. Hamas moved in like gangsters when Arafat became too old and decrepit to hold together the falangists, and with Iranian financial backing seized power in Gaza. Because of Iran, Hamas will never do a peace deal with Israel.

[Herman 9,780]

Your bigotry is poisoning you Jools. You criticise the Mayor for not saying something, even though he did, and now you twist his words to prove some unknown point. Maybe stop and ask yourself why you are so full of hatred for someone that has no say in the running of your life.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Don't talk rubbish. Both parties are represented by intransigent leaders.

The Israelis are not intransigent. They recently made peace deals with several gulf states and improved relations with Saudi Arabia. They will make peace with those who truly commit to Middle East peace and rightfully bomb the sh!t out of those who wage war on them.

[Jools 584]

8 minutes ago, Herman said:

Your bigotry is poisoning you Jools. You criticise the Mayor for not saying something, even though he did, and now you twist his words to prove some unknown point. Maybe stop and ask yourself why you are so full of hatred for someone that has no say in the running of your life.

What the hell is bigoted about disapproving of someone who I think is incompetent? Does that make you a bigot for disapproving of Farage, Boris etc? Your hate for the latter who have proven to be competent is a lot stronger than my disdain for Khan and to state he doesn't have a say in the running of my life as a Brit is a throwaway comment that tops your throwaway comment table with an automatic promotion place already sealed...

Khan's 'Greatest' hits London has suffered since his election in 2016:

. Robbery up 73%

. Street muggings up 56%

. Homicides up 34%

Read on, Herminge  👇

 

Not everything is up of course. Transport reliability is down, TFL’s budget has tanked after some very effective self-sabotage, while rates of house building and tree planting are shameful.

But the most damning statistic of all remains the number of murders in the capital: 149 last year, the highest figure since 2008, with knife crime at an historic high. It’s on this miserable record that Khan should be judged in the Mayoral election come May 7th.

Passing the bucks

As Mayor, Sadiq Khan is never more active than when blaming other people for his own failings: he stuffs cotton wool into his ears and points zealously at government cuts to policing in the hope we absolve him of any blame for the bloodshed that has plagued London under his watch.

Of course, the causes of crime are myriad and complex, and not all factors – such as say, family breakdown – are (or even should be) within Khan’s remit. But much as he might wish he weren’t, Khan is not just Mayor of London, he is the Police and Crime Commissioner for the city, the man tasked by law to come up with a plan. And the plan, if we can call it that, has not worked.

For all his complaints about funding, the Mayor controls an £18bn budget. He decides where it goes. And while we’re told there is not enough money for police officers, curiously there does seem to be enough money to increase the number of press officers plastering his name across the city.

Khan has presided over a flabby bureaucracy, bloated on self-satisfaction and more intent on banning Tube ads and pushing for a second Brexit referendum than dealing with the real problems Londoners face. He has not been asleep at the wheel so much as staring at himself in the rear-view mirror.  All the while crime ramps up, victims multiply, and the fabric of a city frays.

There was a tacit recognition of this in 2018 when Khan belatedly adopted the public health approach to crime which had proved so successful in Glasgow and New York – and which so many had been calling for. Central to this plan was the establishment of a Violence Reduction Unit (which, for all the moaning about funding, the Government pumped £35m into). But unlike the leaders in Glasgow and New York, who gripped the issue like a vice, Khan has shown all the grip of an amoeba. The Violence Reduction Unit Partnership Reference Group has been going 18 months. It has met 8 times. All the while, the homicide rate has continued to rise.

The experience of other regions in the country that have struggled with cuts to policing underlines how poor Khan’s record is. While London’s homicide rate leapt 10% between 2018-19, the next biggest police force, West Midlands police, reported a near 20% fall in homicides over the same period, while the crime rate has fallen in Greater Manchester by 4.4% under the leadership of Andy Burnham. Other Mayors are getting a grip, but this is Sadiq Khan: the Mayor who can’t.

But it’s not just on public safety that Sadiq has used his Minus touch – on transport, tube reliability has fallen while TFL (which is run by the Mayor) has sunk to record levels of debt, with an operating deficit of almost £1bn a year. When Khan came to power Crossrail was on time and on budget. Under his leadership costs have spiralled and Crossrail been delayed, the Northern Line extension delayed, the Bakerloo line extension delayed, station upgrades from Holborn to Camden  delayed, and London’s commuters – you guessed it – delayed, with disruptions due to faulty stock up 30%. That stock could have been invested in, but one of the reasons TFL doesn’t have any money is because the Mayor starved them of it, freezing fares on one-way tickets in a populist move that looks a lot better on a billboard than a balance sheet.

No wonder Khan didn’t so much as mention crime or transport when he launched his re-election campaign this week. It was odd, however, that he wanted us to focus on housing, given that his record on that front – 116,000 homes promised in 2016, less than 20,000 delivered nearly 4 years later – is also embarrassingly bad.

His new answer to the housing crisis though is a remarkably unifying one: Khan’s plan to  introduce rent controls achieves the rare feat of uniting both the left and right in condemnation. This policy has failed in virtually every city it’s been tried, and risks freezing rents in a London where, if you’re a nurse or teacher, the average rent is 105% of your salary. As Assar Lindbeck, the economist who chaired the Nobel Prize committee for years reportedly put it, rent controls are ‘the best way to destroy a city, other than bombing’. So, something to look forward to then.

Bubble of Virtue

In short, this is a politician who has shown the kind of rank incompetence that would see him kicked out of a job in any other walk of life. That he has even a chance of running the UK’s largest city for another four years should be galling to Londoners. And yet judging from the early opinion polls, it’s not, with Khan sitting fairly comfortably ahead of his main rivals, Independent Rory Stewart and Conservative Shaun Bailey whose route to victory depends on one of them moving early into a decisive second place and hoovering up a majority of second preference votes. This lead could of course be a reflection of the fairly limp Conservative campaign, or Stewart’s lack of party machine, but there’s something else at play too.

Khan seems to exist in an impregnable bubble of virtue that no number of stabbings can burst. This is partly because he appeals to London’s sense of itself. The fact a diverse, left-leaning city elected a left-wing Muslim mayor, the son of a bus driver, who grandstands against Brexit (despite having no say over the matter) makes London feel superficially good about itself. For Khan, as his manifesto makes clear, it’s not about policy it’s about personality, it’s about leveraging his identity to signify a set of vague, almost unchallengeable values that are meant to be ‘London’s values’. Detail doesn’t matter to his strategy, what matters are things like he is ‘leading the fight against Brexit’. Who cares if that question has in fact been settled? In London it’s a socially virtuous (and ultimately vacuous) thing to say, which shows certain type of voter that he’s in the same bubble as they are – he gets you, and that matters.

And then there’s his trump card. Khan’s well-publicised spats with the US President are an underpriced source of political strength in this race. For many, Trump’s animosity signals Khan’s virtue, and implies a vote for Khan is a vote against Trump and what he represents.

Indeed the best thing that could happen to the Stewart of Bailey campaign would be for the US President to send some flak their way. Such are the times we live in.

Re-making the world

Despite this bubble of virtue, it’s clear what a second term of Sadiq would mean for Londoners: wasted money, wasted hours and wasted lives.

But it also means something less quantifiable and more insidious for London itself – wasted opportunity.

We are living through a period of profound change for global cities in the West, with devolution at home and collaboration abroad on a new metropolitan agenda still taking shape. From Seattle to Gdansk, Madrid to New York, cities are remodelling the relationship between citizen and state, and are strengthening ties between each other in an attempt to mitigate the effects of global withdrawal, driven by more protectionist national governments. The opportunity is there for London not just to shape the agenda but to lead, if only the Mayor could see it.

Sadly, in Sadiq Khan, we have a mayor who can’t.

 

[Herman 9,780]

Toxic. 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

And the peace deals with the Saudis are irrelevant as the Israelis aren't trying to colonise Saudi Arabian territory last time anyone checked. Furthermore, the Gulf states generally don't give too much of a damn about the Palestinians.

The Israelis are, plain and simple, war criminals.

Abraham Accords: Trump-era peace deals fail to stop Israeli-Palestinian violence - The Washington Post

ISTANBUL — The videos from East Jerusalem showing Israeli police violently arresting Palestinian protesters were galvanizing the Arab world, evoking sympathy and long-standing anger over injustice, dispossession and unequal treatment.

But the newly arrived ambassador to Israel from the United Arab Emirates, Mohamed al-Khaja, writing for an Israeli news site last week as the images circulated, narrated a rosier version of life in his new home. He described a place where cultures and religions easily coexisted, in a Middle East made placid by diplomatic accords normalizing relations between Israel and the UAE and other Arab states.

His views have seemed perilously out of touch in recent days, during the deadliest conflagration in years between Israel and the Palestinians.

The violence showed no signs of easing Saturday. Sirens wailed in Israel as rockets were launched from Gaza. Israeli airstrikes pummeled areas in Gaza including demolishing a 12-story building that housed international media including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera.

Israel gave a one hour warning for journalists and others to clear the building, which it asserted was used as a clandestine hub by Hamas and other Palestinian militants. No evidence was provided for those claims. The Israeli strike brought outrage from media protection groups, including the Committee to Protect Journalists, which demanded a “detailed and documented justification” for the airstrike and noted it could represent a violation of international law.

“Ensuring the safety and security of journalists and independent media is a paramount responsibility,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki tweeted.

The bloodshed has prompted fresh doubts about the dividends of the diplomatic agreements signed by the UAE and others, known as the Abraham Accords, and raised questions about whether other Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia, will strike similar deals with Israel.

Proponents of the accords promised that they would usher in a new era of peace for the Middle East. Instead, the region in recent days has been riven by protests and an outpouring of revulsion over social media at the spiraling Palestinian death toll, images of Israel storming the revered al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem and Israeli warplanes leveling apartment blocks in Gaza.

The anger, analysts said, has badly undermined an assumption at the center of the accords: that the Arab world no longer cared about Palestinian suffering and was content to let its governments embrace Israel on the basis of other mutual interests.

The accords, which were signed last year under the Trump administration, were “predicated on a sense that Palestinians aren’t mobilizing,” which allowed signatories to conclude agreements that might otherwise have sparked a public backlash, said Tareq Baconi, an analyst with the International Crisis Group.

 

But that has changed, he said: “The Palestinians are mobilizing.”

As a result, demonstrations in solidarity with Palestinians have been held across the region, including in Bahrain and Morocco, two of the countries that signed diplomatic deals with Israel. In Saudi Arabia, which recently hinted at warming relations with Israel as they both confront Iran, a common adversary, there was a sudden shift of tone in pro-government newspapers.

An opinion piece this past week in Al-Jazirah, a Saudi newspaper, accused Israel of “criminal acts” toward Palestinians, likening its behavior to that of Iran.

Saudi media softens tone on normalization with Israel

The unabating death toll in Gaza and Israel also has undercut the notion that diplomatic normalization between Israel and states such as the UAE would give Arab nations more leverage in tamping down recurrent bouts of violence. More than 100 Palestinians, including more than two dozen children, have been killed in Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip. Rocket attacks by Palestinian militants have killed more than a half dozen people in Israel.

In the closing months of the Trump administration, Israel signed agreements establishing full or partial normalization of relations with the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco. At a signing ceremony in Washington in September, President Donald Trump said the agreements would “change the course of history.”

The signatories were “choosing a future in which Arabs and Israelis, Muslims, Jews and Christians can live together, pray together and dream together, side by side, in harmony, community and peace,” he said.

Critics noted that some of the deals were struck by authoritarian governments that were not accountable to their citizens and were concluded only after inducements provided by the United States that some likened to bribery.

And Palestinians saw the agreements as a dangerous milestone. The accords signaled the abandonment by Arab governments of a peace initiative first proposed by Saudi Arabia decades ago that called for the establishment of full relations between Arab states and Israel only after the latter forged a peace agreement with the Palestinians.

Even so, there was a sense among international observers and people in the region “that if a state like the UAE was normalizing, surely the Palestinian file would be part of this,” and that the UAE would be able to use the agreement to advance Palestinian interests, Baconi said.

But such sentiments were “exaggerated,” he added. “This wasn’t about the Palestinians. It was a military, economic and diplomatic deal between the two powers in the region,” he said, referring to the accord between Israel and the UAE. “The Palestinians were collateral damage.” Even so, the current bloodshed may have left the Abraham Accords signatories feeling exposed. Days after the publication of the optimistic article by the UAE’s ambassador to Israel, his government struck a much harsher tone, a sign it could no longer appear to be indifferent to the mounting anger. 

A statement called on “Israeli authorities to take responsibility for de-escalation, to end all attacks and practices that led to continued tension, and to preserve the historical identity of occupied Jerusalem.”

The about-face “shows that the Palestinian question is not off the agenda in the region. It’s very much an issue,” said Baconi. Arab governments also were put on the defensive by an Israeli raid on Jerusalem’s al-Aqsa Mosque, one of Islam’s most revered sites, during the holy month of Ramadan. Hundreds Palestinians were injured in the Jerusalem confrontation.

After the raid at al-Aqsa, “Hamas stands to win the PR game for positioning itself as the face of Palestinian resistance,” Baconi said. “This is the last thing the UAE — which views Islamist movements as its main adversary — had hoped would materialize,” he said.

Saudi Arabia has yet to normalize relations with Israel, but the kingdom has been widely rumored to be next in line. Some of the speculation has centered on the growing Saudi willingness, beginning last year, to allow criticism of the Palestinian leadership — in newspaper editorials and in interviews with prominent Saudi figures. Saudi Arabia also praised the Abraham Accords.

That friendly tone toward the diplomatic agreements shifted last week. An article by Talal Bannan, a political science lecturer, that was published in the popular Saudi daily newspaper Okaz called Israel a “racist, hateful entity” that maintains survival “through aggression, racism and raping of land.”

The author warned that when Arab states sign peace deals with Israel, they are signaling a willingness to “acquiesce to Israel’s aggressive behavior and be patient on its expansive strategy.”

In Saudi Arabia’s tightly controlled media environment, the article, and others like it, would not have been published without government approval — showing the tensions between the kingdom’s apparent desire to normalize relations with Israel and the need to address public anger over mounting Palestinian deaths.

In a statement Tuesday, the Saudi Foreign Ministry “condemned in the strongest terms the Israeli occupation’s blatant assaults on the sanctity of the holy Aqsa Mosque, and on the security and safety of worshipers.” Late Thursday, the top two trending hashtags in Saudi Arabia were “#IsraelTerrorist” and a phrase directed at Israel by a spokesman for Hamas’s military wing this week: “Shelling you is easier than a drink of water for us.”

The Saudi leadership is conscious of the overwhelming local support for Palestinians and realizes that any official shift in policy in favor of normalization with Israel would be unpopular, said Elham Fakhro, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group. But opening diplomatic relations with Israel probably was only a matter of time, with any delay stemming from the desire of the Saudi leadership to “extract the kind of concessions that would make such a decision worthwhile,” she said.

“Saudi Arabia is conscious that it is the biggest prize for Israel,” Fakhro said.

For now, though, Saudi Arabia is unlikely to have any leverage over Israeli behavior toward Palestinians. “Israel really isn’t dependent on them and is not really going to change its behavior based on what they think,” Fakhro said. “Nor do the gulf states really care too much about the Palestinians,” she said, speaking of the leadership. “It’s mutual indifference.”

Dadouch reported from Beirut.

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by TheGunnShow
Tidying gaps up from quoting the article.

[Jools 584]

13 minutes ago, Herman said:

Toxic. 

Do you find the Green Party and Lib-Dems toxic, Hermione?

I can tell you both parties have teamed up with the conservatives in a battle to reduce Labour and Khan's power in London City Hall.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

The Israelis are not intransigent. They recently made peace deals with several gulf states and improved relations with Saudi Arabia. They will make peace with those who truly commit to Middle East peace and rightfully bomb the sh!t out of those who wage war on them.

They never had any aggression towards those States. It was a Trump fake to try and persuade US voters he was a peacemaker.

You twist everything to suit your purpose.

When are they going to give the Golan Heights back? When are they going to stop taking land from peoples who have lived there for generations? When are they going to allow muslims to worship.in peace instead of firing rubber bullets into the Al Aqsa mosque? And when is the rest of the world going to protest that Israel has nuclear weapons but is supplied more arms while Iran is sanctioned?

You have watched Raid on Entebbe too many times. Bombing the siht you say. What a pleasant solution. You will win the **** Peace Prize for that.

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

24 minutes ago, Jools said:

Do you find the Green Party and Lib-Dems toxic, Hermione?

I can tell you both parties have teamed up with the conservatives in a battle to reduce Labour and Khan's power in London City Hall.

But they can't can they. And London has so many Labour MPs as well. 

You posh boys can't win them over can you. Metropolitans vote Labour Mayors. You Posh boys get the inbred country Tim nice but Dims.😂😂😂

[BigFish 1,988]

11 hours ago, Renskay said:

Why does it require such immediate a response to remove a post, to the extent I couldn't even see your reply to it, just about a reference to something that happened nearly 1000 years ago? I wasn't familiar with the incident but upon further research it looks like there's some merit to the point that it WAS indeed a sacrifice but that bears no weight on Jews within Norwich today as it happened as I said nearly 1000 years ago.

Sorry @ricardo I thought I was replying to @BigFish

 

It was a standard and common anti-semitic trope, one of the standard ones, the blood sacrifice for which there is no evidence of its varacity. What is evident that the pepople of Norwich used it as caus belli to ethnicly cleanse the Jewish population of the city, killing the jews  and stealing their property. You should know your history before repeating untrue, anti-semitic slurs.

[Renskay 36]

12 hours ago, BigFish said:

It was a standard and common anti-semitic trope, one of the standard ones, "the blood sacrifice for which there is no evidence of its varacity". What is evident that the pepople of Norwich used it as caus belli to ethnicly cleanse the Jewish population of the city, killing the jews  and stealing their property. You should know your history before repeating untrue, anti-semitic slurs.

"the blood sacrifice for which there is no evidence of its varacity"

I read the accounts from the time after researching the subject and there is quite substantial evidence that it could be attributed to the Jewish community of the area but obviously as it's "anti-semetic" to even reference this information I won't link to it as it's prone to get deleted by certain parties.

What I find curious is that it's "anti-semetic" to suggest the Jewish community of Norwich at the time in the 1100s had any wrong doing (when there is evidence) but you can casually slander the entire city of Norwich as being "anti-semetic" and characterize them as a mob of merciless lunatics for having the valid desire that a group whom had committed a grotesque communal crime, should have some form of punishment for their actions.

It seems as though you're very open to throwing "tropes" against certain communities but when it drifts to those who happen to be Jewish it becomes taboo to even talk about.

As this event took place 877 years ago none of this is really relevant beyond the minor cliff note I thought it was when mentioning it initially to the Norwich of today and I don't let it shape my opinion of people of the Jewish faith within Norwich.

But your reaction towards it has certainly given me something to think about...

Edited May 17, 2021 by Renskay

[Well b back 3,222]

I see Michael Fabragas has had a tweet removed referring to Palestinians as primitive. 

[BigFish 1,988]

23 minutes ago, Well b back said:

I see Michael Fabragas has had a tweet removed referring to Palestinians as primitive. 

There has been a couple of anti-semitic posts on this thread already from one poster. I have just reported him for the second time for repeating the anti-semitic trope of the blood libel. Obhorrent in this day and age.

Edited May 17, 2021 by BigFish

[ricardo 7,395]

6 minutes ago, BigFish said:

There has been a couple of anti-semitic posts on this thread already from one poster. I have just reported him for the second time for repeating the anti-semitic trope of the blood libel. Obhorrent in this day and age.

Having read yesterday's post by Renskay, all I can say is that you have completely misread what he said. A post detailing an  abhorrent and historic victimisation of a Jewish minority is surely the complete antithesis of anti-Semitism. It merely showed that this sort of discrimination has a long and bloody history. 

[BigFish 1,988]

20 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Having read yesterday's post by Renskay, all I can say is that you have completely misread what he said. A post detailing an  abhorrent and historic victimisation of a Jewish minority is surely the complete antithesis of anti-Semitism. It merely showed that this sort of discrimination has a long and bloody history. 

I disagree, he posted an entirely unfounded anti-semitic trope. At best it was ignorance, but above he doubles down calling what is largely accepted as a racial slur that led to ethnic cleansing as

1 hour ago, Renskay said:

a grotesque communal crime

Whether it is ignorance or anti-semitism, it is clearly wrong. It does neither you or him no credit if you can't recognise that. Weskers plays put it in far more context. In 1996 he wrote Blood Libel, a Norwich Playhouse commission. This play, together with The Merchant, explored a Christian society infected by antisemitism. Blood Libel is about William of Norwich, a 12-year-old whose murder in 1144 was attributed to the Jews. This rumour resonated throughout medieval Europe. As Wesker sought to underline with this drama, the medieval Christian fantasy of the Jew as child-murderer was an element that contributed in part to the Holocaust. In his review of The Merchant, Michael Billington wrote, “Wesker’s point comes across clearly: that anti-Jewish prejudice is ingrained in English life.” Both plays examine the past and also seem to suggest that little has changed.

Edited May 17, 2021 by BigFish

[ricardo 7,395]

The fact that it was believed by the people who committed the crime 900 years ago is surely the point. The fact that in the 21st century we are aware of this ignorance is surely something to be celebrated not censored.

You learn nothing from history if you don't comprehend the minds and motives of those involved. History is a warning not a page to be ripped out because it is unpleasant.