ricardo 7,395 Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Herman said: That's not what I asked. i like his haircut😉 plus he upsets Billy. Edited August 12, 2021 by ricardo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, ricardo said: i like his haircut😉 plus he upsets Billy. there's plenty of other cnts around that I am not best disposed towards your cringing defence of them would not stop them from being cnts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, ricardo said: i like his haircut😉 plus he upsets Billy. You should be interviewed on Breakfast TV. 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted August 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: You should be interviewed on Breakfast TV. 😁 I don't get up early enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,526 Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Someone else who has more than an inkling of humanity and is almost a lone voice (though Tom Tugenhat too) on this issue. The silence from our government is deafening. Edited August 13, 2021 by sonyc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,303 Posted August 13, 2021 More vicious persecution of innocent people from the loathsome Patel: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/outrage-as-home-office-moves-suspected-modern-slavery-victims-from-removal-centres-to-prisons/ar-AANgS0n?ocid=msedgntp Outrage as Home Office moves suspected modern slavery victims from removal centres to prisons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 13, 2021 16 hours ago, ricardo said: I don't get up early enough. No? My Mum would have called you a slug-a-bed😃 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,303 Posted August 13, 2021 So, Patel managed to hold on to her "permanent" appointment as "security minister" for less than 24 hours. Perhaps they remembered that she was sacked by May for a breach of security when she held private meetings with the Israeli government while she was minister for international development. Meetings, that at least one Tory MP described as an act of treason. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/priti-patel-loses-security-minister-brief-after-less-than-24-hours/ar-AANi9tm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,780 Posted August 14, 2021 On 12/08/2021 at 15:08, horsefly said: Government hypocrisy continues apace: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/former-taxpayers-alliance-boss-handed-taxpayer-funded-job-by-priti-patel/ar-AANf6Sh?ocid=msedgntp Former Taxpayers’ Alliance boss handed taxpayer-funded job by Priti Patel In his previous role at the TaxPayers’ Alliance, Mr Isaby had criticised government spending on communications staff – attacking “unnecessary” PR jobs in the NHS. A 2015 TaxPayers’ Alliance report condemned “the emergence of a growing class of “spin-doctors” and their remit goes beyond the basic requirements of government communication”. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,303 Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Herman said: Yep! precisely the sort of insight that will ensure he feels very much at home in Patel's catastrophic balls-up Home Office. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,780 Posted August 14, 2021 I wonder if he enjoyed the woman laughing at him as much as I did?😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,303 Posted August 15, 2021 Here's one letter (from many) published in the Torygraph demonstrating deep discontent with the current regime with which many lifelong Tories now fail to identify. Constituency parties have been hijacked by far right Ukippers and brexiteers, and the members of this government are far too engrossed with their own corrupt self-serving projects than to concern themselves with the loss of traditional Tory values. Johnson's pursuit of personal ambition meant he banished every voice that dissented from that purely selfish ambition, so it was inevitable that the party now resembles his own character, entirely without principle or integrity. I've never been a Tory but have known many Tories who I would acknowledge were motivated by genuinely held "one-nation" values. Alas such voices are now silenced in the party. The cult of Johnson is nothing more than a pale reflection of the cult of Trump, and just as the Republican party has been left without principle, integrity or direction after Trump's defrocking, so too will the be the Tory Party once the vacuuous Johnson is exposed for the charlaton spiv he most truely is. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/letters-lifelong-conservatives-who-no-longer-recognise-their-own-party/ar-AANkcII?ocid=msedgntp Letters: Lifelong Conservatives who no longer recognise their own party SIR – Dr Tony Parker’s letter (August 8) is representative of the way many of us feel. I have said on many occasions that I no longer recognise the Conservative Party. There are notable exception. Some backbench MPs, for example, are concerned about the stance the Government is taking. However, their efforts to resist it have been thwarted because of the remote nature of parliamentary business, and the Government’s ability to force its plans through with little or no scrutiny. This is not democracy. We can only hope that things will improve following the summer recess. If there were to be another general election I would not feel able to vote Conservative unless things change dramatically. Yet all the alternatives are unappealing. This is a very sad reflection of the state of British politics. My father came from a poor background but worked hard, without bitterness, to provide for his family. He was a lifelong Conservative voter, and I can only imagine how disappointed he would be with the party now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,217 Posted August 15, 2021 Not sure wether this belongs on this thread or Kabul thread. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58220730 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,303 Posted August 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Well b back said: Not sure wether this belongs on this thread or Kabul thread. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58220730 Both! A truly heartbreaking read and a devastating account of the UK's shameful abandonment of all those Afghanis who helped our troops, but now face inevitable torture and execution. I can't imagine how many of our soldiers must be feeling having promised those Afghanis that they wouldn't let them down if the worse came to the worse. Already trying to cope with the stress of their service for the country I suspect many soldiers will find it hard to get the faces of those Afghanis out of their minds. Instead we have Patel refusing the applications of translators on the grounds that they had refused to clean toilets. Utterly, despicably shameful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 15, 2021 Resigned from the Labour Party yesterday. The purge is going too far and disenfranchising the left seems to be Sir Toryboy Starmer's objective. I told them the Greens are the party of the left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,303 Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: Resigned from the Labour Party yesterday. The purge is going too far and disenfranchising the left seems to be Sir Toryboy Starmer's objective. I told them the Greens are the party of the left. I'm afraid the moment Corbyn won the leadership of the Labour Party a re-run of the early 1980s was pretty much inevitable with a purge of the centre-right and infiltration by various hard left groups like militant tendency. The only response to that was a long drawn out rehabilitation of the centre right and a purging of the hard left. It's happening all over again, the only real difference is that the hard left this time (Momentum) speak with posher voices. All this was eminently avoidable and obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of post-war Labour Party history. But being what it is, it was probably inevitable that the "well-meaning" hard left placed ideology over the pragmatism that has secured all of the Labour Party's past victories. Whatever one's views of the centre-right pragmatism of Blair and Brown, it is undeniable that it lead to a huge amount of money being invested in education and the NHS which simply would not have happened under a Tory alternative, likewise the alleviation of poverty. So, despite my more radical ideological leanings to the left I have always found myself on the side of the pragmatists who actually have a chance of making a genuine impact on the lives of the people the left claim to care about. Having said all this I'm sure you're right that the future of the left is really with the Greens. The game changer in the history of western capitalism will be the impending political and social chaos caused by the inevitable consequences of climate change and its catastrophic environmental effects. The fundamental logic of free market capitalism makes it impossible for it to address remotely adequately the issue of climate change, hence the prevarication and ineffectiveness in the face of incontrovertible evidence. The ideological arguments supporting a fairer distribution of the world's resources may have always had a moral authority, but the environmmental destruction caused by rampant free market capitalism will be the thing that necessitates that change. Think of it as a green version of Marx's view that capitalism contained within it the very seeds of its own destruction (just not for the reasons he thought, nor in the ways he thought it would happen). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 15, 2021 The Green Party and a Green economy are a real alternative and opposition the market obsessed other parties. I have no doubt that there may be factions within the Greens but even the most right leaning Green would be more convincing than Labour under SKS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj11 377 Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) She is a friends MP and he was in constant dialogue with her, until she blocked him. Here is her latest tweet. Edited August 20, 2021 by dj11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj11 377 Posted August 20, 2021 Thinking about it, I would go for AI over most Tory MP’s. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted August 20, 2021 Poor old Raab...just waiting for Carrie's axe to fall. 🤣 Still, at least he's topped his tan up. Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj11 377 Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Apples said: Poor old Raab...just waiting for Carrie's axe to fall. 🤣 Still, at least he's topped his tan up. Apples Johnson will keep him, as Raab appears more incompetent than himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,526 Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, dj11 said: Johnson will keep him, as Raab appears more incompetent than himself. Do you know, there's always been some resemblance. Never quite managed to get who Dom reminded me of before... but it came to me recently: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, dj11 said: Johnson will keep him, as Raab appears more incompetent than himself. It looks like the Raab story may have originated from briefings from Number. 10... bye, bye Raaby, Raaby goodbye. 🤣 Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 20, 2021 Carrie is not having any refugees. Her husband has enough around the country already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 497 Posted August 20, 2021 As a former Eaton pupil, I believe all Eton candidates should be barred from applying on account of their illiteracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj11 377 Posted August 20, 2021 I always thought he resembled Rik Mayall, the only difference being I respected Rick Mayall and he was extremely talented. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,217 Posted August 20, 2021 Boris Johnson says he "absolutely" has full confidence in his foreign secretary amid criticism of his decision not to call Afghan ministers over evacuating translators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 20, 2021 That used to mean he's gone in the morning then. But on this occasion it might actually be a very rare case of Boris telling the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites