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3 hours ago, sonyc said:

And here is that graph (BBC):

 

The price for a brexit government who prioritises jingoistic nationalism over lives  and jobs is worth paying according to Ricardo and the RWNJs  I still think lives and jobs are more important. 

[sonyc 6,143]

6 minutes ago, T said:

The price for a brexit government who prioritises jingoistic nationalism over lives  and jobs is worth paying according to Ricardo and the RWNJs  I still think lives and jobs are more important. 

I'm not sure that he is saying that at all T and indeed Ricardo was all for a hard and early lockdown (like many of us). I know your view very well and am in sympathy about decisions that may have been made that may have been influenced by Brexit (e.g. that 'lost' email regarding the PPE problems). But I wouldn't say anyone has argued that lives and jobs are more important...more  that they argue that there are different ways of looking at the issue. 

Edited August 28, 2020 by sonyc

[ricardo 7,928]

UK and Germany numbers still well below 1 percent of those tested today.(UK 0.7%  754 in hospital)

France and Spain the real front runners at the moment with 3 to 5 percent positives. Italy also seems to be having a spike. ( France 4535 in Hospital)

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/france?country=FRA~DEU

Plenty of useful graphs to compare different countries.

Edited August 28, 2020 by ricardo

[ricardo 7,928]

big increase today 7379.

 

[sonyc 6,143]

2 minutes ago, ricardo said:

big increase today 7379.

 

That is a terrifying increase. And hugely worrying.

[ricardo 7,928]

3 minutes ago, sonyc said:

That is a terrifying increase. And hugely worrying.

They also appear to have locked down harder than we did if TV reports are true. Is it a case of non compliance? the French have never been avid rule followers. Germany however seems fairly stable despite a similar uptick to the UK.

 

[Van wink 2,994]

36 minutes ago, ricardo said:

big increase today 7379.

 

We should get Bagster to translate that, but the gist is pretty clear. The big increase is worrying but sadly not that unexpected. Too many not following the rules, I won’t say any more!!

[sonyc 6,143]

26 minutes ago, ricardo said:

They also appear to have locked down harder than we did if TV reports are true. Is it a case of non compliance? the French have never been avid rule followers. Germany however seems fairly stable despite a similar uptick to the UK.

 

I know a bit about France and believe that there is a lot of movement around the country this time of the year ("les aoûtiens") because the French love their big summer breaks. So I'm guessing that a period of holidaying (starting late July) is very likely a logical reason. Lots of socialising. The rurals hate it especially when the Parisiens arrive, a bit like Cornwall hates Londoners.

[sonyc 6,143]

8 minutes ago, Van wink said:

We should get Bagster to translate that, but the gist is pretty clear. The big increase is worrying but sadly not that unexpected. Too many not following the rules, I won’t say any more!!

I read a bit of French VW...

Total cases

Rate of Positive tests

Clusters in the process of investigation

Deaths, of which xxx hospitalised

Hospitalised of which XXX recovering

Departments considered a risk, steady or rising (last time I looked 33 areas were coded 'red').

I hope my quick translation is about right

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by sonyc

[Van wink 2,994]

7 minutes ago, sonyc said:

I read a bit of French VW...

Total cases

Rate of Positive tests

Clusters in the process of investigation

Deaths, of which xxx hospitalised

Hospitalised of which XXX recovering

Departments considered a risk, steady or rising (last time I looked 33 areas were coded 'red').

I hope my quick translation is about right

 

It’s up around 1500 on yesterday in terms of cases, hospitalisations not showing anything like the same rate of growth, fascinating stuff.

[sonyc 6,143]

14 minutes ago, Van wink said:

It’s up around 1500 on yesterday in terms of cases, hospitalisations not showing anything like the same rate of growth, fascinating stuff.

They are urging folk not to panic. Think lots of local lockdowns are in order (calling them confinements which is the word we use for pregnancy!). Did we ever have 7500 new cases in a day even at peak? I cannot recall.

[ricardo 7,928]

26 minutes ago, sonyc said:

They are urging folk not to panic. Think lots of local lockdowns are in order (calling them confinements which is the word we use for pregnancy!). Did we ever have 7500 new cases in a day even at peak? I cannot recall.

We had 7860 on April 10th which was a couple of thousand more than the next worst day.

[Van wink 2,994]

31 minutes ago, sonyc said:

They are urging folk not to panic. Think lots of local lockdowns are in order (calling them confinements which is the word we use for pregnancy!). Did we ever have 7500 new cases in a day even at peak? I cannot recall.

“France reported 7,379 new confirmed coronavirus cases on Friday, a new post-lockdown record following the 6,111 record reported on Thursday and just shy of the 7,578 high set on March 31 at the peak of its initial wave.“

Nearly a record for them, they will surely surpass their highest figure from March.

Edited August 28, 2020 by Van wink

[sonyc 6,143]

1 minute ago, Van wink said:

“France reported 7,379 new confirmed coronavirus cases on Friday, a new post-lockdown record following the 6,111 record reported on Thursday and just shy of the 7,578 high set on March 31 at the peak of its initial wave.“

Nearly a record for them, they will surely surpass their highest figure from March.

You would definitely think so. Testing is up but it only accounts for some of the increase. As another poster said the other day (yellow fever?), it's going to be time to "buckle up" very soon.

[Van wink 2,994]

2 minutes ago, sonyc said:

You would definitely think so. Testing is up but it only accounts for some of the increase. As another poster said the other day (yellow fever?), it's going to be time to "buckle up" very soon.

I’m afraid so. 

[ricardo 7,928]

However it is still only 4 percent of those tested. In the early stages it was not unusual to find 30 percent on much lower testing.

[Bill 1,788]

1 hour ago, Van wink said:

We should get Bagster to translate that, but the gist is pretty clear. The big increase is worrying but sadly not that unexpected. Too many not following the rules, I won’t say any more!!

Odd (or not) that you should know that bagster speaks French fluently enough to translate the above

Perhaps your other 'mate' Benjamin the donkey could help.

For those not aware the above name joined late Weds night and then proceeded to post highly offensive claims about Joe Biden and myself accusing both of us of ****philia. Thankfully the posts were removed at some later point.

However it should not escape the notice of most that the first name of the above is part of Bill and Ben, and the latter a play on the democrats use of a mule as a 'logo'. Not the first time that this sort of posting has been seen late at night/early hours of the morning

I can also add, that when the troll logged out, 2 minutes later RTB logged in.

Make of that what you will.

It should not escape

[Barbe bleu 1,031]

The brexit and trump threads are incredibly nasty. The brexit thread especially has long since ceased to be a discussion and instead had become some modern alternative to bearbaiting. It should be deleted completely.

Luckily this thread has just about survived with some integrity

[Barbe bleu 1,031]

14 minutes ago, ricardo said:

However it is still only 4 percent of those tested. In the early stages it was not unusual to find 30 percent on much lower testing.

4% is a lot higher than here so hints at higher rates of undetected infection there.   

I'm increasingly of the opinion that we all had much more much earlier  than previously expected.  Not that I'm letting the Henrys who went skiing at half term off just yet.

[ricardo 7,928]

10 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

The brexit and trump threads are incredibly nasty. The brexit thread especially has long since ceased to be a discussion and instead had become some modern alternative to bearbaiting. It should be deleted completely.

Luckily this thread has just about survived with some integrity

Steer clear of it. 

 

[Bill 1,788]

23 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

The brexit and trump threads are incredibly nasty. The brexit thread especially has long since ceased to be a discussion and instead had become some modern alternative to bearbaiting. It should be deleted completely.

Luckily this thread has just about survived with some integrity

And in response to my posting out you crawl

and whilst watching the members logged in, your appearance coincided with hand crank logging out

all a mere coincidence...........................................................of course it is 😋

 

ps what happened to Ben10, he wasn't connected to Benjamin the donkey was he  - both so short lived ?

 

pps hand crank has now signed back in again, I must have rattled the cage  bit too loudly..... maybe in was the name Benjamin that had him reaching for the keyboard - that, or he has finally found that NHS pay slip he was going to post on here 😆

Edited August 28, 2020 by Bill

[Van wink 2,994]

15 minutes ago, Bill said:

And in response to my posting out you crawl

and whilst watching the members logged in, your appearance coincided with hand crank logging out

all a mere coincidence...........................................................of course it is 😋

 

ps what happened to Ben10, he wasn't connected to Benjamin the donkey was he  - both so short lived ?

I think I may have spotted them Billy 

[Bill 1,788]

have yourself a break hand crank - it is nearly 10.30pm and you have been on this forum since 7am this morning, and I am concerned that you will create another Ben10, or Benjamin the donkey to post offensive stuff

you need a life outside of this forum, one that does not involve making up names to post on a football forum

I've just checked and the weather in Rennes is fine tomorrow

you could take the C5 for a spin, you could imagine you are driving up the single carriageway A11 on the way to West Runton

get a hands free set and you could even be phoning people as a track and tracer (now forgotten), breakfast in the now closed pubs around Smithfield market

so have a good le weekend cranky and don't forget to say bonjour to bagster....... when you next login as him

[Mark .Y. 372]

17 hours ago, Van wink said:

 Yes it would explain quite a lot, as a theory I like it.

I copied and pasted a report from two front-line Italian doctors some time ago, it highlighted that the viral load they were seeing in patients after the main wave had gone through was much lower.

I can't understand why this sort of thing is at least not being looked at and verified (or not !), surely anything we can learn about the virus must be of benefit.  

Edited August 29, 2020 by Mark .Y.
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[Barbe bleu 1,031]

2 hours ago, Mark .Y. said:

I copied and pasted a report from two front-line Italian doctors some time ago, it highlighted that the viral load they were seeing in patients after the main wave had gone through was much lower.

I can't understand why this sort of thing is at least not being looked at and verified (or not !), surely anything we can learn about the virus must be of benefit.  

What is being looked at and what is being reported are, I suspect, different things. The media here are very 'faddish' in their reporting and probably quite far behind the state of current knowledge

[Van wink 2,994]

3 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

What is being looked at and what is being reported are, I suspect, different things. The media here are very 'faddish' in their reporting and probably quite far behind the state of current knowledge

There is so much research, “evidence”, non peer reviewed work, the media just picks up on what seems the most sensational. You just have to pick through it and make your own mind up and have regard to proper peer reviewed papers.

[Yellow Fever 4,388]

1 minute ago, Barbe bleu said:

What is being looked at and what is being reported are, I suspect, different things. The media here are very 'faddish' in their reporting and probably quite far behind the state of current knowledge

Very true - but also there are lots of anecdotal or other reports and comments - the media will always try to sensationalize or pick a headline that sells or grabs attention - often completely misreported or misunderstood especially by the tabloids. Cold boring facts and the slog of Covid research go unreported as opposed to dubious headlines such as 'Vaccine by Christmas 'and so on.

[ricardo 7,928]

1108 today, 186.5k tests

0.6 % positives

 

[Aggy 941]

1 hour ago, ricardo said:

1108 today, 186.5k tests

0.6 % positives

 

Have you seen any sources that breakdown number of tests by region of the country, Ricardo?

[sonyc 6,143]

1 hour ago, Aggy said:

Have you seen any sources that breakdown number of tests by region of the country, Ricardo?

https://lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker

 

Is this any use @Aggy?

It shows various graphs with lots of interest ....including top 10 councils for lab confirmed C19 . Shows Kent as number 1.