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47 minutes ago, Mello Yello said:

We are all at this moment in time quite rightly inconsolable and angry......I also imagine our majority shareholder will be shedding a minuscule tear into her glass of Moet de Socialista aboard the executive plane on her way back to Norfolk from Manchester.....

Prudence with ambition......Oh yeah.......

I'm neither inconsolable no angry, many will be the same.

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1 hour ago, JF said:

You keep saying thIs and then offer no reasoning. 

It's common knowledge where it's coming from, we all know, well, not those who don't recognise.

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1 hour ago, BarclayWazza said:

you cant claim any longer that it's in the best interests of the club for them to remain owners.

You can't claim a better alternative until you find one...

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19 minutes ago, Since 1980 said:

It's common knowledge where it's coming from, we all know, well, not those who don't recognise.

The only money that’s common knowledge that’s coming in is the inevitable sale of players at the end of the season 

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9 minutes ago, Badger said:

You can't claim a better alternative until you find one...

Absolute nonsense. If Delia is not in a position where she can fund the club even if it a short term loan until the TV money rolls in then if she truly had the best interests of the club at heart rather than retaining ownership then it's on her to court investment.  She's explicitly said that she's not doing that without giving up ownership so if you're suggesting that I go out, source a list of potential investors and present them to the owners when they've come out and said they arent selling then I'm suggesting that in the absence of a sensible argument you are suggesting something you know to be folly to deflect from that.

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16 minutes ago, Badger said:

You can't claim a better alternative until you find one...

It's up to the champagne socialist to engage  proffesional services to find potential suitors... If she was at all motivated to do the best for the club as a true fan. 

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No point at the moment and probably not for the foreseeable future. - because the understanding is that the shares are not for sale. Only hope is that the future trustees of any settlement and beneficiary (you know who) decide that the money tied up would be better deployed elsewhere as in the case of Blackburn Rovers beneficiaries. we have risk adverse owners who have done a good job but now is the time to allow inward investment to move the Club (business) on. Missed opportunity IMO because there is a good crop of talent on the playing staff and management side of the business that could be built upon. No guarantee of success but those with most likely infinitely deeper pockets than the current majority shareholders know and accept this. Pointless getting in a tiz because it seems that the succession strategy is set and there doesn't seem to be any desire to change but who knows - money talks. 

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47 minutes ago, JF said:

The only money that’s common knowledge that’s coming in is the inevitable sale of players at the end of the season 

There won't be many going so the club will use the other £££ coming the club's way.

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1 hour ago, BarclayWazza said:

Absolute nonsense. If Delia is not in a position where she can fund the club even if it a short term loan until the TV money rolls in then if she truly had the best interests of the club at heart rather than retaining ownership then it's on her to court investment.  She's explicitly said that she's not doing that without giving up ownership so if you're suggesting that I go out, source a list of potential investors and present them to the owners when they've come out and said they arent selling then I'm suggesting that in the absence of a sensible argument you are suggesting something you know to be folly to deflect from that.

 

1. I would be amazed if the club did not have some form of short-term loan for cash flow. I don't know why it matters who it comes from?

As I understand your point, your alternative is for the club to find someone to lend them money, in the hope that they will be able to take money out in the long term. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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1 hour ago, Chumino said:

It's up to the champagne socialist to engage  proffesional services to find potential suitors... If she was at all motivated to do the best for the club as a true fan. 

But why do you think that there are suitors that are better? Why should somebody just want to give us money?

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11 minutes ago, Badger said:

But why do you think that there are suitors that are better? Why should somebody just want to give us money?

Be good at least to have a serious concerted effort in trying to find a suitor surely, they don't just have to give us money do they, its business. It can make them a handsome return done well. 

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2 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

How about a link to where she has expressed her keenness on getting promoted ? I seem to remember that Times interview where her and hubby were interviewed spent most of it criticising this division whenever it was mentioned.

Cant be ar$ed to post a link but she looked pretty pleased at Wembley and delighted after the Blackburn game last season.  Dont need video evidence to know this is true. 

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8 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Cant be ar$ed to post a link but she looked pretty pleased at Wembley and delighted after the Blackburn game last season.  Dont need video evidence to know this is true. 

Yes it's a ridiculous argument made easier by focussing on Delia as owner. 

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9 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Yes it's a ridiculous argument made easier by focussing on Delia as owner. 

Well who you do you focus on when the thread title is about Delia ?

Edited by TIL 1010

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6 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Yes it's a ridiculous argument made easier by focussing on Delia as owner. 

Did Delia refuse to pose in a bikini  for  Benny Till in her younger  days or what.

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2 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Well you do you focus on when the thread title is about Delia ?

That is the point.

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Nothing is going to change in the next decade. Keep on yoyoing between the leagues

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29 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

Nothing is going to change in the next decade. Keep on yoyoing between the leagues

Cool!!

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I think the vast majority of fans accept that we're highly unlikely to cement a place in the PL under Delia and Michael/Cousin Tom's ownership; if anyone strongly disagrees with that statement, make yourself heard.

Based on that initial assumption, I think the issue is of sentimental attachment to Delia and Michael. They've owned the club for 23 years, and they had a relatively small amount of capital for club owners even back in 1996. However, they kept the club afloat, and have given us five seasons out of the last ten in the PL, despite the financial landscape moving further to their detriment than ever before. Sure, they've made some sh*t appointments and we've had some sh*t teams, but we've also had some good times too - and that most of them have been in the last 10 years of their ownership suggests that they've actually learnt quite a lot along the way, and adapted accordingly.

I think that's why so many people are attached to their ownership; they're genuine fans, they're pushing 80 years old, and they love the club. Even though we all realise that football has moved on and we're basically riding a rubber dinghy in a marina surrounded by superyachts, I think many of us are proud of what we've managed to achieve as an underdog.

Here's the counter-argument, though. I totally see why people are frustrated at the lack of investment and the missed opportunity to push us to the 'next level'. I think Delia and Michael are smart enough to know that if they simply stand aside, transfer all their shares to Tom and then take a back seat as honorary lifetime presidents or whatever, all that goodwill evaporates. All of a sudden, we're in the same (or worse) financial situation, but being owned by a faceless thirtysomething civil servant with next to no experience of owning a football club.

If that transfer of power happens while we're in the Championship, and if we don't manage to hang on to our better players and/or Webber and Farke, the mood will turn very quickly. In the last ten years we've bucked the financial trend more than any other club; to have spent five of ten years in the Premier League with our lack of capital (especially after a run of just one in the previous 16) is pretty awesome when you think about it. To keep defying the odds in such a fashion is less than likely; if this model doesn't get us back up again next season, I fear that the end of Delia and Michael's tenure at the club could be somewhat unpleasant. I really hope that isn't the case.

 

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6 hours ago, FenwayFrank said:

Don’t go then, sit in St Andrews Hall and whinge instead. The club doesn’t need negative nut jobs anyway

FF, I sat at old trafford today, and it’s the worst I have seen a city side play. There was no passion, no pride and no fight. They were a disgrace to the shirt, and only Cantwell can claim any credit. That’s not being negative, that’s the truth.

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18 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

I think the vast majority of fans accept that we're highly unlikely to cement a place in the PL under Delia and Michael/Cousin Tom's ownership; if anyone strongly disagrees with that statement, make yourself heard.

Based on that initial assumption, I think the issue is of sentimental attachment to Delia and Michael. 

I think that's why so many people are attached to their ownership; they're genuine fans, they're pushing 80 years old, and they love the club. Even though we all realise that football has moved on and we're basically riding a rubber dinghy in a marina surrounded by superyachts.

Here's the counter-argument, though. I totally see why people are frustrated at the lack of investment and the missed opportunity to push us to the 'next level'. 

...In the last ten years we've bucked the financial trend more than any other club;

 

FTW - I have edited down just to save space.

I certainly do not "support" Delia - I support NCFC. I happen to agree with the path that we have chosen recently, not because of sentimentality but for hard-headed financial and economic reasons and because it is the best way of securing the long term health of the club.

The reason that we have been relatively successful for the last few years is because we have operated on a basis where we do not have an investor, but have had to be relatively self-sustaining. Other clubs of similar sizes (if not bigger - Leeds, Forest, Wednesday, to some extent Derby etc) have had prolonged absences from the premier league because they have had "ambitious investors who have tried to push the club to the next level." In doing so, they have racked up levels of debt that even billionaire investors wince at/ hit FFP rules and have failed to produce on the pitch, frequently ending up with bloated squads of older, over-paid and less ambitious "stars" as they have used the money to chase the dream: in doing so, they have damaged their clubs not helped them.

If we could get an owner like Man City/ Chelsea/ Leicester etc I would love it: or even a fan like Brighton. What I do not want is an "investor:" they want to take money out of the club, not put it in. If the short-term gamble fails to work, there is years of restructuring whilst they try to get their money back. 

Our current model is imo, the best chance we have of attaining regular premier league football. There will, however, be periods of relegation as there are for everybody outside 7 or 8 clubs. 

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18 hours ago, City 2nd said:

FF, I sat at old trafford today, and it’s the worst I have seen a city side play. There was no passion, no pride and no fight. They were a disgrace to the shirt, and only Cantwell can claim any credit. That’s not being negative, that’s the truth.

I don't know how many years you've followed City but there's been far, far worse displays than the one we saw yesterday.

Agree that Cantwell looked OK but surely Buendia was easily our MOTM ?

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Farke is a managerial genius. The failure at Old Trafford is simply down to an unwillingness to invest in the playing squad. That decision sits squarely with the board. But at least we have a massive pile of broadcasting cash.

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32 minutes ago, Highland Canary said:

Farke is a managerial genius. The failure at Old Trafford is simply down to an unwillingness to invest in the playing squad. That decision sits squarely with the board. But at least we have a massive pile of broadcasting cash.

The sound of hitting a nail on the head 

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19 hours ago, City 2nd said:

FF, I sat at old trafford today, and it’s the worst I have seen a city side play. There was no passion, no pride and no fight. They were a disgrace to the shirt, and only Cantwell can claim any credit. That’s not being negative, that’s the truth.

Really????? 

From 10 years ago. 

From 2 years ago.

Unfortunately there are plenty of other examples I could have chosen from. 

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On 11/01/2020 at 17:25, Midlands Yellow said:

What does this club need ? Be honest though.

More supporters and fewer 'fans', especially the type of fans who think that playing Championship Manager means that they understand anything about running a real world football club.

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1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

More supporters and fewer 'fans', especially the type of fans who think that playing Championship Manager means that they understand anything about running a real world football club.

I'm amazed they truck with championship manager. Absolutely no ambition...

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2 hours ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

Really????? 

From 10 years ago. 

Unfortunately there are plenty of other examples I could have chosen from. 

Quite, but many of our 'fans' have incredibly short memories  🙄

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