The Positive Brexit Thread

[Well b back 3,281]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Boris said it him self 

Question - How do you know when Boris Johnson lies

Answer - His lips move

Edited September 30, 2021 by Well b back

[Well b back 3,281]

Now it’s school dinners

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-58753203

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

29 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Now it’s school dinners

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-58753203

Oh no, not a shortage of Eton Mess?

[horsefly 4,318]

3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Oh no, not a shortage of Eton Mess?

Don't worry, there's plenty of it sitting around the table in the cabinet office.

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

It looks like we're finally getting a Brexit bonus.

At the Tory party conference in Manchester the Prime Minister will announce that they will be launching a scheme to allow car owners to convert their vehicles to run on sovereignty. 

Nadine Dorries will announce that power stations will be using unsold copies of her books, we will be OK well into the next millennium.

At a fringe meeting Iain Duncan Smith will complain that he should still be allowed to attend even though he doesn't have a fringe.

 

 

 

[BigFish 1,988]

Even the Torygraph seems upset ......

Yet barely half a year later and the mood has turned against the UK again: the panic at the pumps is making it easy for those with a grudge to write Britain off. The pound is down by 5 per cent against the dollar since May, and the economy appears to be flatlining.

Living standards will collapse next year, thanks to the energy price shock, higher taxes, a weakening currency, surging general inflation and higher interest rates. While other countries will also suffer on that front, there are actually some valid reasons for the renewed international scepticism towards Britain: one is our absurd, self-defeating decision to sabotage our competitiveness at the worst possible time.

Johnson’s massive increase in corporation tax and national insurance will make it far less attractive to invest or recruit in Britain. Far from embracing a Singapore-on-Thames version of Brexit that would have more than compensated for the hit to growth from the protectionist barriers erected by a vindictive EU, we are deliberately throwing away economic growth, nationalising the railways and failing to tackle the housing shortage.

We are decarbonising on a whim, without any thought given to what might happen if there is no wind or if gas supplies are disrupted. Britain is equally unprepared to deal with post-Covid labour shortages: it is the Government’s policy to reduce unskilled migration, partly to boost wages, but where is its plan, given the dire side effects of lockdown, to encourage, incentivise or train more British workers to pick up the slack? Isn’t that what levelling up is meant to be about?

It is hardly a surprise, therefore, that so many Tory voters are upset. They are right that the Government’s incompetence is humiliating Britain. One of the many advantages of Brexit – for despite Johnson’s errors, the case for it remains overwhelming – is the wonderful accountability it enables. The chaos can no longer be blamed 
on Brussels’ policies, or European judges or anybody else. The buck stops at No 10.

 

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

11 hours ago, BigFish said:

 

 

The Gilets Jaunes were just a figment of our imagination?

[SwindonCanary 455]

EU need us! UK handles £9.4TRN assets as another nail hammered into Project Fear coffin

BRITAIN remains a formidable financial powerhouse, a new report has indicated, with an eye-watering £9.4trillion in financial assets currently managed in the UK.

The analysis, by the Investment Association (IA) as “yet another nail in the coffin of Project Fear”. The report has determined that the UK manages 37 percent of all assets managed in Europe.

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

7 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

EU need us! UK handles £9.4TRN assets as another nail hammered into Project Fear coffin

BRITAIN remains a formidable financial powerhouse, a new report has indicated, with an eye-watering £9.4trillion in financial assets currently managed in the UK.

The analysis, by the Investment Association (IA) as “yet another nail in the coffin of Project Fear”. The report has determined that the UK manages 37 percent of all assets managed in Europe.

The Daily Express quoting a pro Brexit think tank.

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

So here's a farmer claiming Brexit prevents him from selling his turkeys:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search&v=554634195844838&external_log_id=74b77721-2f5f-4199-98b2-976d9f63d6b2&q=paul kelly turkey farmer

 

But unfortunately for him, someone did a little research, here:

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1498238/isabel-Oakeshott-turkey-labour-shortage-email-good-morning-britain-farm-latest-news-vn?fbclid=IwAR0qiw5zn2DDN74zrTJwk_HlTluxk1T451cHZT5Id8h5cJsY7dcqfsmrtLg

 

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[Well b back 3,281]

BRITAIN remains a formidable financial powerhouse, 
 

Financial institutions are now appealing for visas to be issued as they to have a worker shortage. Not sure why one of the major things Brexit stood for was throwing out the Europeans, now we are begging for them to come back.

I wonder if we will have Johnson and Farage posters all over Europe saying ‘ Our Country Needs You Now ‘
 

https://news.sky.com/story/financial-sector-becomes-latest-to-ask-for-access-to-foreign-workers-to-be-eased-12421732

[Herman 9,829]

Isabel Oakeshott in knows more about turkey farming than a turkey farmer shocker.

Edited October 2, 2021 by Herman
Poor language.

[BigFish 1,988]

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

[Yellow Fever 3,839]

54 minutes ago, BigFish said:

 

No more than most of the rest of the world thinks. They all see a crumbling state on their TV. Just got asked the same question from Japan tonight if I'm alright (they have  typhoon to worry about today).

[Fen Canary 869]

18 hours ago, king canary said:

This is a bit of a bugbear of mine- you're right that average wages may not have gone down but it isn't a great argument to people who have been effected by these sorts of things- there are some good examples from on the ground here. 

Ultimately the pros and cons of EU membership weren’t evenly spread. The cons were disproportionately felt by those at the bottom, hence the reason they voted in larger numbers to leave, whereas those more comfortably financially felt more of the benefits which is why they wanted to defend the status quo. The article you posted explains the situation very well 

[Fen Canary 869]

17 hours ago, sonyc said:

Spot on about these two points (and other points ... the weakening of union power). Talk this morning too has been the very real worry about stagflation and the indicators are there.

We need much better partnerships between employers, colleges, universities and local job centres (arguably led by the government, local government) so that future job needs can be forecast and skills acquisition can be directed in the same areas. It is something that happened in the last decade in Germany (job centres very localised and links to local businesses very strong....if the employer predicted they needed more people to do computer aided design or needed more metallurgists - (for example!) then local colleges and even schools could respond).

The recent announcement at the Labour conference for expanding work experience is one positive move forward in the whole labour / skills agenda. Good also to read about actual grounded policy announcements to try and address problems. So often, you find these in tiny pockets (with much local success) but the lessons of the success are not replicated and government is deaf.

A comprehensive industrial strategy has been needed for about 40 years (at least) but perhaps our electoral system doesn't help long term change with new governments jettisoning decent initiatives because they were the choice of the wrong party colour. We have been badly served for decades by all manner of governments who have overseen massive changes in inequality and a lack in long term (country-changing) vision.

The conference is a prime example of the problems facing Labour at present. For all the ideas Starmer put forward during it, he’s managed to be drowned out by the lunatic fringe on the left so that’s all people will talk about. Any potential policy he may have had has already been forgotten about, and all it will be remembered for is Jeremy Corbyn songs, the threats against Rosie Duffield and Starmer telling Andrew Marr that’s it’s wrong to say only women have a cervix. If he can’t even control the narrative in his own party at their conference he’s never likely to do it at an election.

 

[KernowCanary 214]

7 hours ago, BigFish said:

 

“Brexit Island”, that phrase really boils my ****, it’s like we are always laughed at for being an island.

Seeing this really does confirm my suspicions that we are the laughing stock country of the world. Only thing we have going for ourselves on the world stage is being home to the world’s strongest domestic football league.

”Don’t mention the B word”, hahahaha, hilarious!, my sides are splitting! (Now that’s sarcasm!). Reference to a British comedy show that used World War 2 as a gag device in that one episode.

[horsefly 4,318]

3 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

The conference is a prime example of the problems facing Labour at present. For all the ideas Starmer put forward during it, he’s managed to be drowned out by the lunatic fringe on the left so that’s all people will talk about. Any potential policy he may have had has already been forgotten about, and all it will be remembered for is Jeremy Corbyn songs, the threats against Rosie Duffield and Starmer telling Andrew Marr that’s it’s wrong to say only women have a cervix. If he can’t even control the narrative in his own party at their conference he’s never likely to do it at an election.

 

What utter tosh! "drowned out" was he? So you're seriously saying he couldn't be heard because of the tiny few Corbynite protesters.You obviously didn't watch any of the actual speech otherwise you would have seen the overwhelming support displayed by the conference hall. Even the Daily Mail said that his speech now proved Labour had a leader able genuinely to contend for power. Laura Kuenssberg view was that the heckling and Starmer's excellent response to it considerably helped him distinguish himself from the Corbynites (a view echoed by most political commentators). Find me one established and respected impartial journalist who agrees with your view. 

[Herman 9,829]

3 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

Ultimately the pros and cons of EU membership weren’t evenly spread. The cons were disproportionately felt by those at the bottom, hence the reason they voted in larger numbers to leave, whereas those more comfortably financially felt more of the benefits which is why they wanted to defend the status quo. The article you posted explains the situation very well 

This isn't really true. In Wales for example the vote to leave was pushed by the elderly, reasonably well off, English retirees. And in all the voting stats produced, the largest group of voters were also the older population, where if you are to be believed, it should have been the working aged populace.

 

 

[horsefly 4,318]

19 minutes ago, KernowCanary said:

“Brexit Island”, that phrase really boils my ****, it’s like we are always laughed at for being an island.

Seeing this really does confirm my suspicions that we are the laughing stock country of the world. Only thing we have going for ourselves on the world stage is being home to the world’s strongest domestic football league.

”Don’t mention the B word”, hahahaha, hilarious!, my sides are splitting! (Now that’s sarcasm!). Reference to a British comedy show that used World War 2 as a gag device in that one episode.

The government have released a public information film in response:

 

[horsefly 4,318]

9 minutes ago, Herman said:

This isn't really true. In Wales for example the vote to leave was pushed by the elderly, reasonably well off, English retirees. And in all the voting stats produced, the largest group of voters were also the older population, where if you are to be believed, it should have been the working aged populace.

 

 

Indeed! And, of course, no mention at all by the rabid anti-EU FC of the massive amount of financial support pumped into the most impoverished areas of the country by the EU.

[horsefly 4,318]

17 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

I hope his chauffeur was OK.

Damn! I knew when they hired the van that the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad would balls it up.

[horsefly 4,318]

10 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

So here's a farmer claiming Brexit prevents him from selling his turkeys:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search&v=554634195844838&external_log_id=74b77721-2f5f-4199-98b2-976d9f63d6b2&q=paul kelly turkey farmer

 

But unfortunately for him, someone did a little research, here:

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1498238/isabel-Oakeshott-turkey-labour-shortage-email-good-morning-britain-farm-latest-news-vn?fbclid=IwAR0qiw5zn2DDN74zrTJwk_HlTluxk1T451cHZT5Id8h5cJsY7dcqfsmrtLg

 

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 Oh dear! If she had really done her research she would have heard interviews from Mr Kelly earlier in the week when he explained that many Turkey farms had to scale down, or close production because they didn't have enough staff back in June/July when they NEEDED them. It is too late now to raise Turkeys in time for xmas, so very obviously there's no bloody point in Turkey farmers advertising for staff now (something even someone as dumb as Oakshott might have worked out):

"How long does it take to raise a turkey?

The length of time that it takes to raise a turkey to butcher age, depends on the type of turkey that you decide to get. It also depends on how big you want your birds to be.

Quick-growing birds like the Broad Breasted will be ready in as little as 16-22 weeks, if you want a roughly 15 pound bird for the table. Heritage breeds will take up to about 30 weeks for the same size carcass.

If you have a big family, or are raising them for sale, to get a Broad Breasted turkey to 20 pounds will take probably 40 or more weeks."

https://www.homegrownselfreliance.com/raising-turkeys-for-beginners/

 

And here's an "unpleasant" video showing more intensive Turkey farming methods, taking "19-21 weeks"

 

[Herman 9,829]

34 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Indeed! And, of course, no mention at all by the rabid anti-EU FC of the massive amount of financial support pumped into the most impoverished areas of the country by the EU.

I'm not sure why Fen is digging up the old classic arguments which were proven to be a bit of a myth a very long time ago??

And now with the vote leave government's financial attacks on the poor and working poor this fallacy that brexit was to help the "left behind" should be buried for good??

[horsefly 4,318]

4 minutes ago, Herman said:

I'm not sure why Fen is digging up the old classic arguments which were proven to be a bit of a myth a very long time ago??

And now with the vote leave government's financial attacks on the poor and working poor this fallacy that brexit was to help the "left behind" should be buried for good??

Indeed! I'm afraid he doesn't have anything else to resort to in the laughable pretence that brexit was a project motivated by a desire to help the poor. I had to laugh at Rishi's interview on radio 4 yesterday when he was asked about his tax changes and his intention to remove the £20 from universal credit from the poorest in society, his reponse was that the poorest were the ones who had "proportionately lost the least" as a result of these changes. Doesn't seem to have occured to him that every pound lost to an impoverished family has a devastating impact on their chances of feeding, heating and clothing themselves. But then his billionaire family wouldn't know much about that would they!

Edited October 1, 2021 by horsefly

[BigFish 1,988]

Meanwhile, in other news business confidence has "fallen off a cliff" according to the IoD....

Edited October 1, 2021 by BigFish

[BigFish 1,988]

 

[Herman 9,829]

Do you lads remember old Moyo ranting away that voting Labour would turn this country into the new Venezuela? I wonder if he regrets those statements??🤨

[SwindonCanary 455]