SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 21, 2021 EVEN THE EU ARE SEEING WHAT'S WRONG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,793 Posted March 21, 2021 I hate to get too far into this as its complicated - (much too complicated for SC and PM) but https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/ Just for laughs I'll bring out an odd point. Have to send some chillers to the above as they'll no no doubt need calming down..... AstraZeneca CEO Pascal Soriot made the argument that the U.K. had better vaccine supply because the U.K. signed an agreement for vaccines months earlier than the EU. Formally, this isn’t true: The U.K. contract was signed on August 28, while the EU’s was signed a day earlier on August 27. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,170 Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: EVEN THE EU ARE SEEING WHAT'S WRONG The Spanish MEP you are promoting is a N a z i. SwindonCanary has a history of posting misinformation on many subjects, this is another example of such misinformation. That is all you need to know about this post. Edited March 21, 2021 by A Load of Squit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 21, 2021 14 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: The EU made a BIG mistake in not getting their order in fast enough, so they were further down the list. Britain does not own the rights to vaccine produced here but once again it was first to get their order in, so others have to wait. No they don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said: No they don't. That's how the contract reads 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,301 Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said: The Spanish MEP you are promoting is a N a z i. SwindonCanary has a history of posting misinformation on many subjects, this is another example of such misinformation. That is all you need to know about this post. There's a surprise. Every far right-wing MEP in the EU is anti-EU so why the RWNJ post this sort of tripe and think it is significant is beyond me. It's the equivalent of saying George Galloway hates the Tories. Well duh!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 21, 2021 ANDREW Marr ripped into EU chief Mairead McGuinness after the bloc threatened a vaccine export ban to the UK despite millions of doses being held in storage unused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,301 Posted March 21, 2021 Can someone remind me, is this the Brexit thread or has it turned into the Covid thread mark 2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,170 Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: ANDREW Marr ripped into EU chief Mairead McGuinness after the bloc threatened a vaccine export ban to the UK despite millions of doses being held in storage unused. Sounds like she answered his questions in a calm and fair way. Mr Marr put the vaccine storage issue to Ms McGuinness who replied: "I've read those comments and frankly none of us has had a great Covid. "I think all of us should put our hands up and say we were not prepared for this pandemic. "We did not do our best at the beginning but we are doing our best now to protect our citizens. "And I think that's exactly where Europe is focused right now. "And once everyone is protected we are safe." Ms McGuinness continued: "So I think that we all need to calm down, look 'dispassionately' at the situation if you like around the raw materials surrounding the vaccines and where they are produced. "And think how might we ramp up that production. "But more importantly, I think a lot of experts are saying that we need to be prepared for other variants because we know that the UK variant has spread widely and it harder to treat." Which part of her answer are you objecting to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: That's how the contract reads 👍 No it doesn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 21, 2021 YES IT DOES ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,301 Posted March 22, 2021 Finally, I have discovered a story about Covid vaccination that does have a genuine brexit connection: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/prime-minister-to-call-on-eu-leaders-to-veto-vaccine-export-blocks/ar-BB1eOMLK?ocid=msedgdhp If we had remained in the EU we could have still made exactly the same choices about vaccine authorisation and roll-out that we have made so far; Dr June Raine and Kate Bingham have both confirmed this. However, if we were still members of the EU we would not now be endangered by the EU's legal right to ban the export of vaccines to non-EU countries. Our hard won "sovereignty" does not translate into anything close to an independent ability to produce sufficient vaccines. The government are quite rightly worried about this prospect and needs to act carefully to ensure a constructive resolution of this situation. It certainly won't be helped by this stunningly naive piece of hypocracy voiced by Ben Wallace on the Sophie Ridge show: “If contracts and undertakings get broken, that is a very damaging thing to happen for a trading bloc which prides itself on the rule of law,” he said. “It would be counterproductive because the one thing we know about vaccine production and manufacturing is that it is collaborative. “If we start to unpick that, if the commission were to start to do that, I think they would undermine not only their citizens’ chances of having a proper vaccine programme, but also many other countries around the world with the reputational damage to the EU, I think, they would find very hard to change over the short term.” This from the party that has repeatedly threatened to break the Withdrawal Agreement it signed a year ago, and in doing so break international law. I suppose one should at least be glad that government ministers recognise what damage such threats can do to a trading block/country's reputation. Just a shame they seem intellectually incapable of applying the same simple logic to the UK itself. You couldn't make it up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 22, 2021 Explained by AstraZeneca's chief executive Pascal Soriot in an interview. 'We basically signed an agreement with the UK three months before we did it with Europe,' Soriot said. 'So they had a head start. We were able to quite quickly take the UK supply chain and improve it.' Verhofstadt also pointed out: 'The EU contract is based on an 'estimated time schedule', full stop. In the British contract, by contrast, there is a precisely described procedure to guarantee a timely delivery of doses.' In other words, the British negotiated a much better and more thorough deal. This is quite something from Guy Verhofstadt, who had been more voluble in his denunciations of Brexit than perhaps any other European politician. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,215 Posted March 22, 2021 As part of the manifesto and Brexit we were assured the British army would not be reduced, so I suppose axeing 10,000 of them was always the plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, Well b back said: As part of the manifesto and Brexit we were assured the British army would not be reduced, so I suppose axeing 10,000 of them was always the plan. Fanatastic technological weapons don't manage to take and contain prisoners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,779 Posted March 22, 2021 On 20/03/2021 at 07:16, horsefly said: I can only assume that the Tory "Sturgeon must resign" clan didn't make it onto the table after receiving little government support remembering the proven bully and ministerial code-breaker Preeti Patel is still in office at Johnson's behest. Well, they didn't stay in the chart for very long.😀 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 22, 2021 20 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: YES IT DOES ! Caps do not make it any less wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted March 22, 2021 On 21/03/2021 at 11:17, Well b back said: Are you all ignoring him now ?. If so I will join you as his vaccine discussions have nothing to do with Brexit other than being discussed to keep Johnson in a job and make people believe Brexit was a success as The EU do not know what they are doing. If that’s the case then not sure how they managed to stitch us up with a deal that our government didn’t even understand. Yes definitely, and Paul M as well - you have been incredibly patient and tried an entirely fact based approach with them but unfortunately, as you are discovering, they are entirely impervious to facts, reason and logic, so ignoring them is really the only sane approach to take. Personally I find it very difficult to decide whether they are genuinely as delusional and stupid as they appear or whether they are just a couple of trolls who enjoy trying to wind people up but ignoring them works either way 😀 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Herman said: Well, they didn't stay in the chart for very long.😀 No, but I'm really looking forward to hearing what the obnoxious Grade A Tory hypocrite Ruth Davidson comes up with next 😂 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,779 Posted March 22, 2021 https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-22/deadline-looms-for-undocumented-expats-in-spain-to-return-to-uk-under-new-brexit-rules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,215 Posted March 22, 2021 No wonder our fish are happy, they are not wanted for food anymore, I suspect our cows, sheep and pigs are happy as well. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/brexit-uk-salmon-exports-to-eu-crash-98-134750686.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,779 Posted March 22, 2021 Aye. Seems like the only thing we have exported to Europe these last few months is the Kent variant. 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 23, 2021 The EU is not threatening blocking exports of the vaccine, it's blocking exports to the UK. Exports to over a 100 other countries are absolutely fine. Look it up - it's just the EU spitting its dummy out again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,793 Posted March 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Well b back said: No wonder our fish are happy, they are not wanted for food anymore, I suspect our cows, sheep and pigs are happy as well. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/brexit-uk-salmon-exports-to-eu-crash-98-134750686.html Wasn't it what a lot of our fisherman, farmers and the like voted for. I guess they are happy too ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,301 Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said: Wasn't it what a lot of our fisherman, farmers and the like voted for. I guess they are happy too ? Don't worry about them, they'll be fine. Shrewd investment means that any time now their bank balances will bulge with the millions deposited by a grateful Nigerian prince. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: The EU is not threatening blocking exports of the vaccine, it's blocking exports to the UK. Exports to over a 100 other countries are absolutely fine. Look it up - it's just the EU spitting its dummy out again. It's not just the EU but the remoaners on here also....... 🤗 Edited March 23, 2021 by paul moy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 23, 2021 18 hours ago, Herman said: Aye. Seems like the only thing we have exported to Europe these last few months is the Kent variant. 😉 The fact that we found it here does not mean that it started here, and it probably did not. It is even in the Philippines which has had closed borders for the past year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted March 23, 2021 EU ""Essentially the work of the devil "" ...... well said Australia !! 🤗 https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1411009/EU-news-latest-sky-australia-Greg-Sheridan-journalist-rant-european-bloc-crisis-vn?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
