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It’s a tough call and I’m a self confessed Farke fan boy. I’d like to see him as director of football rather than back as manager. But I tell you one thing, I’m pretty sure he’d have this team in the play offs this season. The squad may not be great but when you look at current top 6 I’ve no doubts Farke would’ve been able to inspire the players to at least be good enough for that.

‘We are 10th’ or alternatively we are 1 point off the play offs…life is all about your attitude!

Boy that’s a very accurate but very depressing point! Webber has a lot to answer for and really should have the humility to hold his hands up and say he has got it badly wrong. He won’t of course because of his arrogance. (he should also give McNally a call and say sorry for his stupid comment about wasting money now he knows how easy it is to do!)

Not sure it’s being star struck but I think his ego just means that he likes being at the table with the big boys. It keeps up his self flattery of the lad from the small town done well. I expect he also thinks it gives him the chance to impress ready for future interviews. Sadly it seems they just take the p out of the idiot, naïve guy who will take rubbish of their wage bill for a season

Webber has spunked our money to the wall. Farke always wanted to be a sporting director so let’s beg him to come back!

Small time or not I’m glad I support a club that wouldn’t want Terry at it . Winning is great but I’d always rather have a club and team that I’m proud to support. but then again I’d also remain ‘small time’ by not wanting just anyone to buy the club. Some things (such as human decency) are in my opinion more important than money or winning.

I appreciate many won’t agree but I’d take a punt on Hayden if he was on a free and sensible about wages.

Idah is no longer a young prospect. If anything makes me sadder than the announcement of Pukki leaving, it's the thought anyone sees Idah as being the guy to replace him!

It's been bloody awful and cant believe any one would say any different! The only good thing to come out of it is that we got rid of Dean Smith! But even then. if we'd made that decision prior to world cup I think we could still have been in with a shout of automatic promotion let alone the play offs.

In the business world (and sadly Norwich City FC are in that world, even if as a club we like to be in the sporting world) Webber is a classic Disrupter. These are often brought in to struggling businesses to turn them around. It can often be a high risk strategy which leads to the company winding up or great success. Thankfully for us it was mainly the latter with Webber. These disrupters are reliant on having a clear plan that they wholeheartedly back and an air of arrogance as they must convince all that theirs is the way the company must move. This often results in existing staff and management getting hacked off and leaving or being dismissed. There can be no dissenting voices, the disrupters aim is to create a form of chaos leading to significant change. This dynamic and determined approach makes the business capable of doing things that previously would not be considered viable options or within their reach. Unfortunately, this is only ever a short term solution. Longer term the Disrupter's positive influence will be lost. They don't have the personality or well rounded management style to implement a longer term plan. Success in the long run is reliant on a more constructive, cooperative approach built on managing and developing the wider management team. To be fair to Webber, this is something that he himself probably realises - hence his original plan to move on to other things after a few years. Sadly he seems to have missed the boat on this and now seems 'prepared' to stick with us for the time being - hence his 90% comment. Ironically, it was once mooted that the plan was for Webber to go and Farke to 'move up' to the Director role. I quite like the idea of that as Farke showed far more emotional intelligence and desire to develop others than Webber has ever done. It would also have fitted well with Webber's self developed image as a 'maverick' as we would be doing something quite unusual for an English club. Sadly I think that chance has gone (unless we can shift Webber and tempt Farke back with the new role!). However, it seems clear to me that Webber does need to move on both for the sake of the club and his own reputation (he will never exceed the success he had in transforming the club in the first few years).

Whilst I appreciate what you are saying and do agree to some extent. Imagine if Wagner did do this and then we missed out on the play offs by one or two points. People would be going mental on here about how one goal from Pukki could've made the difference. (I was going to go on to use other examples with the other players mentioned but struggled to see how any of them would actually make a difference ....which ironically may prove your point!!!).

I’m really beginning to wonder if the club deserves the support it gets (team certainty doesn’t at moment). I live away from Norwich but coming back on holiday for Easter so have decided to go to the Rotherham game. Despite todays pathetic performance the only place I can get 2 seats together is south stand near away fans. fair credit to the faithful fans.

Not really I’ve got better things to do than get in a debate with a sexist dinosaur who is getting all upset because they mistook a headline about women’s football to be about men’s football…how awful. But I would add that I coached my daughter’s football team for a number of years and it was great to see how much joy they got out of playing a sport that historically had been closed off to them. I saw the game and skill level improve dramatically in that time. So the more exposure the women’s game gets and the more it annoys people like you the better as far as I’m concerned!

It amazes me how keen people are to win the most pathetic thread of the year award. But congratulations to the OP for such a pathetic and embarrassing post, a great attempt.

I know it's a flippant point but honestly he does seem so uninspiring and such a dour character I dread to imagine what his team talks are like! Too late for this season but I really hope Wagner changes Captains before next season. I don't see any natural candidates in the existing squad so I hope this is a new signing (dare I dream even to say maybe that elusive CDM!)

I get you're point but when you've paid £7m+ (think that was the suggested price) then you're surely entitled to expect more than what we've got from Tzolis so far? I will continue to support the player when he plays but difficult not to levy some criticism at both him (lack of effort and commitment) and the club (spending too much).

I still have a hope that Nunez might be the next inline to be the inspirational player. There were signs earlier in the season but went off the boil and seems to be struggling to convince Wagner let alone us.

Another good point which has made me think. I know everyone wants to blame Webber but the players who are really annoying me are ones like Hanley, Sorrensen, Idah, Gibson, Dimi, McLean, Pukki and Aarons (as commented above it is incredible how poor he has become!). These are the ones showing no leadership and appearing to just be going through the motions with no real desire. None of these are what I would call 'Webber type' players even if he was here when they arrived. The only ones who give me any hope are Sara, Nunez and Gibbs who are the type of 'punts' I think Webber does well. I'd even argue that if one of Tzolis, Sargent or Rashica comes good for us then that's an ok return.

That's a very good counter point and I'd tend to agree but would say players like Krul and Zimmerman were in the team and being more vocal. You also have players on the periphery eg Tettey, Rhodes, Hernandez who would be wise heads or enthusiastic people on training pitch and in dressing room. You can then add on players who led by example - Pukki and Buendia were so good it would inspire people. Skipp, Aarons, Godfrey, Cantwell having their best seasons and bringing some youthful enthusiasm to the party. It is of course always easier when you are winning but when times are tough is when you need the 'characters' - I guess it is a bit of a chicken or the egg question. But in all honesty if you were stepping out in the team on Saturday which team mate would you see as being an inspiration or one you would pull out all the stops to work hard for? I honestly cant name one who would really inspire me to be a better player (Sara if on song?)

Totally agree with this. I was at the game and said this to my son at the time. They were battering us and the lack of reaction from the players was embarrassing. Gunn made some decent saves in a row but is was noticeable that neither him or any of the other players were giving anyone a rollicking for making stupid mistakes. Not sure if it is a lack of passion, commitment, confidence or just a combination but the team really needs a few players who will grab the game by the scruff of the neck but also be prepared to lead on the pitch and make sure all players are contributing. Hanley is not the inspirational leader we need and unfortunately players like Pukki, Aarons and Tzolis just look miserable and fed up. We need to be looking at bringing in some new players who can cause a spark in this team - Nunez and Sara are decent players but they wont build the team spirit that we need (partially because they have the added issue of having to learn a new language!)

This is kind of the point and one of our major problems.... we dont seem capable of playing it OUT from the back, what we do is just play it AROUND the back.

All those saying it wont happen might like to have a look at the position of our opponents last night who recently had made a better go at being a premier league team than us! Not saying it will happen but there is a risk as things feel a bit toxic at the moment.

That was such a funny game, really felt for their keeper as once was bad luck but twice was unbelievable.

Let's be clear that I am not in any way comparing ourselves to Liverpool in terms of size or success (before I get ridiculed) so please stick with me on this point... Just read an article on BBC website about the challenge facing Klopp and we are at least in a similar (if worse) position. Like them we have had a couple of brilliant years - promotion twice renowned and admired for the style of football we played (presumably Pep has stopped watching us on TV now...I certainly hope he didn't have to endure last night!) A fantastic and charismatic coach that players and fans seemed to love Success at the time of our local rivals struggling. However, now: Both clubs are failing A squad that is nowhere near the quality needed Performances well below expectations Risk of further failure as rivals seem to improve The main point that I took from the BBC was the question of if Klopp has been too loyal to some of his players. The continue reliance on players who are now too old eg Henderson, Milner and youth products that haven't developed or improved as expected (Alexander Arnold). This is what I see as being the main issue we need to solve somehow - There is too much of the old guard (damaged goods) in our team - Hanley, McLean, Gibson, Aarons, Dimi, Dowell, Pukki (boy does that last one hurt!). Players like Idah, Hernandez, Omo, Sargent, Sorrenson, Nunez? dont seem up to the standard we are going to need IF we can ever get back to the premier league. That leaves us with very few players capable of achieving what is supposedly our ambition (Sara, Gunn, Gibbs (I hope)). Going back to original point - there may be parallels with Liverpool but, having typed this out, I fear we are in a far worse position and most importantly wont be able to buy ourselves out of the mess like they will. I sense it will be a long time before we are even thinking about trying to be a premier league team again (unless that significant investment eventually materialises!)

Totally agree. We really did look awful today, not one player impressed. I’m now used to the likes of Hanley, Dimi, McLean and Idah not being good enough but sadly we also now need to add Aarons and Pukki to the list. Max in particular is awful and worse just doesn’t see, to really care. As stated on another thread huge clear out needed and even if we have spent all our money need to foster on the young players where there is at least a hope they can improve and become decent players. Wagner really has a lot of work to do.