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I think this is spot on. Attanasio has already demonstrated his temperament to be a cautious, considered one; he is not someone who will push for change without knowing the full implications and responses. Despite our results, there are signs in games that some things are improving. Smith's use of Ramsey is a key indicator - why him and not Cantwell? Because Ramsey's numbers are better I suspect, and eventually it will work - as shown by his recent goal involvements which put Cantwells into shade. If we are going more down the data route though, we need to stop buying players who are injured. A fit and firing Sara and Hayden from game one may have made all the difference. And we need more on field leadership.

That's more than possible and could easily be framed as a positive to enable him to gain experience in a different setting; it would save everyone's face. But I'm not overestimating Attanasio's impact by expecting him to intervene here - he is, unquestionably, our future owner (whether next year or in a few years' time) and will not allow the club to meander. In his position I'd give it a little time, but I think Smith will be moved on quite quickly if we don't come back firing on all cylinders after the WC break. Having said that, I'm not sure that we actually want to get promoted this season from the playing point of view - the lack of quality or potential growth in the players we have is so limited that he would have to spend very big. Next season is very different - getting rid of some old hands on big salaries in the summer gives us much more scope to use players who can grow into PL players. We simply cannot try to survive in the PL with Krul, Pukki, Maclean, Hanley, Gibson etc again. They all need to move on.

It is scary how far Webber has moved away from his stance when first appointed. Ignore the noise has become ignore the fans. We have wasted so much money over the period he has been in charge. The wife on the Board scenario is classically "small town" and was always likely to end in tears. Sit tight everyone, I don't see our American investors allowing this to continue much longer.

It's our experienced players who have let us down last year and this - Krul, Hanley, Gibson, Pukki, Rashica, Maclean were all dreadful and have continued to be. Add McCallum, Idah and Springett to your list and that is pretty much our squad for next year anyway. I don't see Cantwell being here though (or any of the other players who are out of contract).

Haven't our results and performances to date shown us anything? As long as our supporter base trots this line out, there is no way of managing expectations. It simply isn't true. Probably Pukki (if his head is right) and maybe Sargent. Maybe Maclean gets on the bench. Maybe Hayden, once he's properly match fit, which he clearly isn't yet. Maybe Aarons, if their system doesn't require their right back to be a defender. (The general misconception of his quality is simply staggering). No one else gets near the Burnley team, or the Sheffield United team, or the Watford team. Our starting eleven is an average quality Championship team - not in any way superior to any other top Championship team. We have yet to defeat a top Championship side this season. I've lost count of how many points we have lost so far from winning positions, but it's at least 10. That is a mentality issue - good squads don't do that. On Saturday, we saw the complete lack of any on field leadership again - the pattern of the game was the same as almost every other home game. Once we blew ourselves out, our lack of fitness once again caught up with us. Playing well for 20 minutes a game will get us enough points to be mid-table; it won't get us any further. That's where we are. Once and for all, these players are not the best squad in this league. Not even close. For those of you still harbouring hopes of a top two finish, it's time to recognise that isn't going to happen - we lose too many games. If we make the playoffs (a big if) we don't have the mentality in this squad to win them. The players weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough this season.

The best ever Norwich City player, bar none.

You clearly haven't watched him enough!

I remember in about 1972 singing "If you want us, come and get us" to the Arsenal fans. Unfortunately, they did.....

Either way, we did better than Burnley. That team that is supposedly walking the league.

Such a depressing line up after the progress of the performance on Wednesday. This is very much a game we have to win to keep in touch with the top two.

Can we just remind ourselves that but for a late Pukki penalty miss we would have beaten them 3-2 at their place?

If you don't get the irony in this sentence, please ask an adult to help you. As a starter, yes it is and no we don't.

None of them are good enough to play in a first choice eleven. I still have hope for Tzolis and Mumba. The others we should just get rid of.

His biggest was knowing when his time was up. Never a number one - you have to wonder how he gets the job in the first place. Other errors - selling Ron Davies; not buying Dean Windass; Playing Jim Blair at Wembley in 1973. Obviously letting Buendia and Skipp leave at the same time. In all honesty though over 60 odd years of supporting them, we haven't done too badly.......

This. We thought we were good. We weren't. Now we're worse, with little prospect of being better in the near future. Our next stab at the PL could be a few years away.

I thought Sara was OK and that Dowell was excellent when he came on. However, neither of them were playing on the right wing.

If we had a model, we should have stuck with it. I blame both Farke (for changing the playing system) and Webber (for losing his nerve). I think we all knew that what we needed to do was replace Buendia and Skipp. We had £50m to do that with yet chose to buy several players rather than two or three. A huge mistake. Something which people get sacked for. I think they really believed that Gilmour was going to be the shining light and that Kabak and Normann would athleticise us to victories. Adding in the others like Sargent and Tzolis for future profit was almost the icing on the cake. To cap it all, the players who were bought were completely mis-managed. Ignore the noise, they said - then they didn't.

I put a sum on Forest being relegated before a ball was kicked and I'm comfortable that I'll get paid out early. I might double it on Cooper to get sacked by the end of January. Billionaires change colour at a moment's notice when their team is getting stuffed every week.

Take off your yellow glasses and have another look. This ref was nowhere near as poor as some we have had.

Cooper will be gone soon I suspect. I thought Webber timed it all wrong; having just won our first game, with the supporters and the players just starting to believe. I still think we'd have been relegated - our players were clearly not as good as they needed to be (just as Forest's aren't) but it would have kept the club stable in terms of our vision and progress, whereas we are all over the place now.

I watched it on TV and I get that you see a limited exposure but I actually thought he got almost everything right. It wasn't a red against Byram or Cantwell. If Ramsay hadn't gone over so easily he might have got more decisions; same for Cantwell. At least this ref was up with play. Yes, he made errors (the advantage you mention was one) but he got the big stuff right.

It was Dowell who changed it when he came on - you know, that player no one rates.....

There is no way the Board will sack Smith; we have to be realistic. We are an around the top 6 side. We don't have matchwinners in our team but we are solid enough. Unless we buy someone in January for a top two push the playoffs would be a huge success - the top 14 or 15 teams in this league are all capable of being in that top 6. I simply don't think our squad is as good as some on here seem to believe. Of tonight's teams, having watched them play, how many of our players get in a combined side? Maybe 5 or 6. Gunn (maybe, but their keeper was outstanding), McCallum, Cantwell, Pukki. Maybe Gibson who had a good game; maybe Hanley but probably not. Last time in this league that would be 9, 10 or even 11 most weeks. Against Burnley it was zero, as it was in almost every game last year. I don't think Sara, a £9m signing, gets in that side, nor does Hayden, nor does Nunez. So we've hardly improved our team have we? The squad is worse than it was in 2020-21 by some distance. That was our best starting 11 so far this season. It would have been nice to have won, but in all honesty QPR deserved the draw and I'm much happier with that performance against a decent team than the wins earlier in the season. Finally, I am seeing some sort of progress. Top half - hopefully top 6, but unexciting and due a rebuild.

Reasonable. Great save from Gunn to keep us level and we should have won it at the end. Take the point, it could have been worse and I think there are signs that something is starting to come together.

We'd just play on our own then!