Izaak Hunt 0 Posted December 2, 2013 To add I feel Wes brought a bit of that back Saturday. Maybe who-tons learning who knows. I just feel it''s taken him far to long to learn it. And indecision in this league can cost everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Morriss 69 Posted December 2, 2013 [quote user="chicken"]@Huckerby''s boots: I provided the debate you sorely wanted but I see you have chosen to prefer insulting others. My best advice for any internet forum is that if you want to have reasoned debate without insult that you ignore those that you feel are being antagonistic and engage with those who are opening debate.However all I can take from this thread is that you are just looking to wind people up.@Norwich or die tryin!: "Yesterday was the worst iv ever seen us play and win."That shocks me. I have seen games where we have barely put a move together to win with a scrappy goal from a corner or some-such. I remember the game away to Reading on our promotion season where we had failed to break down a resolute Reading defence and to create any sort of meaningful effort on goal only for the ball to hit the ref, Mulryne to turn and volley the ball past the keeper and into the net.I have also witnessed some pretty woeful Norwich teams grind out some ugly, horrific wins that even on cold winter nights under the floodlights meant you had to cover your eyes at times, like a horror show.@alex ncfc: "positional placing means naff all at this stage of the seasons, it''s about points on the board, and we are still right in the mix down the bottom."Actually that is not true. It''s about both and risk. Say you have Man City next - would you rather be 4 points clear of the relegation zone but in 16th or four points clear in say 10th? The more teams we put between ourselves and the relegation zone the better, especially when you have a tough fixture coming up next. It means there are teams bellow us that need results more than us, each one is like a lifeline.Also -"Plus our goal difference tells you everything and sticks out like a sore thumb."Ahh, but like positioning, goal difference doesn''t tell you everything. We have played Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea - the goal difference from those games alone is -12. There are teams in or around us who have only played two of the perceived top four (Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City) so far and whose goal difference is marginally better. Now I am not saying being beaten by Man City 7-0 was a good performance or result, just that goal difference in itself is no indicator of anything in terms of the league table. You are better comparing like for like to find a good measure.As for people saying silly things about Palace and Pulis - to prove your point you are totally discrediting a team that are fighting for their lives and have absolutely nothing to lose. They certainly didn''t just role over yesterday, they fought and in the second half dug in really well - but at the end of the day lacked any sort of real quality to hurt us. That doesn''t make them poor. Poor teams can still be well disciplined in defence. Defending is far easier to coach and instil in players than trying to show and coach players how to be creative and skill full.It has been said that good teams win no matter what, they can win convincingly, they can win ugly and sometimes, despite not playing at their best for 90mins they can grind out a win.Yesterday we dominated the first half bar perhaps one counter attack. To the point that we really probably should have had more goals.There is only two ways it can go after that in the second half, the opposition will dig in and make it harder and give you more of a game of it or they won''t and you''ll continue to have success. It''s football. They made things harder for us but thats about it - 60% possession doesn''t suggest they had the ball for very long.[/quote]I love the fact that you conveniently chose to ignore that im just responding to the original taunts, insults and abuse from the usual suspects and make it out that im the only one hurling insults around. Facts are that i do not start with the insults, but i certainly respond in the same manner. And why not? when im called a cry baby, an idiot and arrogant do you expect me to just sit here and not respond in the same manner?Its easy to push forward your argument when you choose to ignore the facts and only highlight the points that strengthen your view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,704 Posted December 2, 2013 I replied to your opening post in exactly the same manner you wrote that post in. you then went off on one as per. None of this bothers me. I''m as happy trading insults with you as I am debating with others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted December 2, 2013 what it all boils down to is the manager is tasked with ensuring the team win the game.I doubt Chris Hughton''s job description says it needs to be "pretty"...should we finish where the board hinted at a few weeks ask them whether they care if we did it playing like Brazil or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tumbleweed 106 Posted December 3, 2013 My opinion is that I don''t think Hughton is a good manager.I still don''t think he is a good manager and would, ideally, like someone else.But I am very pleased that we won. And I hope we win tomorrow, like I do with every match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,575 Posted December 3, 2013 [quote user="Tumbleweed"]My opinion is that I don''t think Hughton is a good manager.I still don''t think he is a good manager and would, ideally, like someone else.But I am very pleased that we won. And I hope we win tomorrow, like I do with every match.[/quote]At what stage would you think he was a good manager? If we start scoring one or two more and carry on winning a few matches, keeping us respectably placed in the league for the rest of the season, would that not constitute good management? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tumbleweed 106 Posted December 3, 2013 Absolutely, those things will help. For me it''s a number of things, including the constant praising of the oppo, the late substitutions, just feeling the team can be a credible force and look "up for it". I''d be delighted if he turned it around, but at the moment I just have too many concerns (these and others). My mind is always open though, and I suppose the manager is just as capable of improving and learning in his job as I am in mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,626 Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) . Edited April 22 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izaak Hunt 0 Posted December 3, 2013 Sheeez "against teams I wouldn''t of dreamed of beating" little old Norwich Syndrome sufferer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 831 Posted December 4, 2013 He''s right though, we have come a long way in a short space of time. We''ve now reached a point where it''s tougher to improve any further without billions of pounds of investment. I am happy to live life as a mid/lower prem team. I think after a slow start, things are looking up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Morriss 69 Posted December 4, 2013 So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank shoots Skyler 2,094 Posted December 4, 2013 You are right Matt the Palace win did change nothing.Same fickle fans, same pathetic overreaction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QHcanary 0 Posted December 4, 2013 "So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes."Are you still spouting this bollocks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,451 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes.[/quote]But neither does the loss tonight.Both totally expected results. Disappointing goal difference thanks to Suarez magic but still the 3 point from the 2 games that I expected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Morriss 69 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="QHcanary"]"So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes."Are you still spouting this bollocks?[/quote]Please explain why it''s b****** id love to hear it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Morriss 69 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="Lord Eddard Stark"]You are right Matt the Palace win did change nothing.Same fickle fans, same pathetic overreaction.[/quote]I''m not fickle mate, I''ve had the same opinion for 18 months. And overreaction? Well then I''ve been overreacting for 12 months now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,451 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="QHcanary"]"So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes."Are you still spouting this bollocks?[/quote]Please explain why it''s b****** id love to hear it.[/quote]Tell us how Hughtons mistake caused Suarez''s 42 yarder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QHcanary 0 Posted December 4, 2013 "Please explain why it''s b****** id love to hear it."It changed plenty, and you know it. It was the difference between potentially being in he relegation zone after tonight, and there being no chance of that. As it is it''s the difference between us being precariously close to the bottom 3 and being assured that we still won''t be there after the west brom game, whatever the result. I have been tipped over th edge of wanting him gone tonight, but if he stays and we go on to stay up comfortably then I''m happy to be proven wrong. That won''t be the case for many on here. They''ll never, ever change their minds. Well, all except one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izaak Hunt 0 Posted December 4, 2013 HEAR HEAR h.b Matt, but you can''t tell them anything half of these clowns would want Roeder as a replacement as they know sooo sooo much about football. Keep banging the drum and when he''s gone next 3-4 weeks they''ll have to conceded that McNice even finally agree''s with US (the more knowledgeable) peace out bro!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Morriss 69 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="QHcanary"]"So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes."Are you still spouting this bollocks?[/quote]Please explain why it''s b****** id love to hear it.[/quote]Tell us how Hughtons mistake caused Suarez''s 42 yarder.[/quote]Hahaha gladly, cause it''s Hughtons coaching and backroom staff. failing to drill into the centre backs do not back off from a world class striker like Suarez and give him all the time in the world to shoot at will. Something he has done previously which we have failed to learn from. Christ almighty you lot just don''t get it do you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unhinged Canary 375 Posted December 4, 2013 Any chance of a Podcast with Suarez? I think many fans will have seen him score more live than our players..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeattleCanary 0 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="QHcanary"]"So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes."Are you still spouting this bollocks?[/quote]Please explain why it''s b****** id love to hear it.[/quote]Tell us how Hughtons mistake caused Suarez''s 42 yarder.[/quote]Hahaha gladly, cause it''s Hughtons coaching and backroom staff. failing to drill into the centre backs do not back off from a world class striker like Suarez and give him all the time in the world to shoot at will. Something he has done previously which we have failed to learn from. Christ almighty you lot just don''t get it do you.[/quote]Haha so true. The usual suspects on here just cower and accept defeat as though we should have no control over it. They didn''t have Sturridge so Suarez should have been our main focus, and we shouldn''t have given him an inch. There are no excuses, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,522 Posted December 4, 2013 "Haha so true. The usual suspects on here just cower and accept defeat as though we should have no control over it. They didn''t have Sturridge so Suarez should have been our main focus, and we shouldn''t have given him an inch. There are no excuses,"Southampton, 2nd best defence in the League, concede an even easier goal to Delph (only 25 yards out). Sack Pochettino?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barclay_boy111 0 Posted December 4, 2013 Ron you said it yourself they have the 2nd best defence in the premier league the rest of your post is null in-void Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,522 Posted December 4, 2013 Why??If the 2nd best defence in the premier league can''t stop a midfielder who hasn''t scored before, why should it be so simple for us to stop an even more amazing shot from a player like Suarez???Perhaps some shots are genuinely unstoppable????Tell you what, though, I am starting to worry about Fer. He''s looking a bit too relaxed at times ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeattleCanary 0 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="ron obvious"]Why??If the 2nd best defence in the premier league can''t stop a midfielder who hasn''t scored before, why should it be so simple for us to stop an even more amazing shot from a player like Suarez???Perhaps some shots are genuinely unstoppable????Tell you what, though, I am starting to worry about Fer. He''s looking a bit too relaxed at times ...[/quote]You''ve answered your own problem Ron. Delph isn''t know for scoring, and won''t have been ear marked as a danger man before KO. Suarez is a known scorer, even more reason to restrict him!!!! Really this is basic logic. Southampton with a great defensive record, unlike ours which is equal worst in the league, only lost by 1 goal - not a thrashing. So please tell me your point while you find that leg to stand on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,704 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="QHcanary"]"So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes."Are you still spouting this bollocks?[/quote]Please explain why it''s b****** id love to hear it.[/quote]Tell us how Hughtons mistake caused Suarez''s 42 yarder.[/quote]Hahaha gladly, cause it''s Hughtons coaching and backroom staff. failing to drill into the centre backs do not back off from a world class striker like Suarez and give him all the time in the world to shoot at will. Something he has done previously which we have failed to learn from. Christ almighty you lot just don''t get it do you.[/quote]Haha so true. The usual suspects on here just cower and accept defeat as though we should have no control over it. They didn''t have Sturridge so Suarez should have been our main focus, and we shouldn''t have given him an inch. There are no excuses,[/quote] Who are these usual suspects Seattle? If you''re going to question Norwich supporters in that way at least have the bottle to name them. "usual suspects" is the language of a coward my man. And we don''t need such cowardly people following our club... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeattleCanary 0 Posted December 4, 2013 [quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="QHcanary"]"So I go back to the original headline, the palace win changes nothing.Same result, same old Hughton mistakes."Are you still spouting this bollocks?[/quote]Please explain why it''s b****** id love to hear it.[/quote]Tell us how Hughtons mistake caused Suarez''s 42 yarder.[/quote]Hahaha gladly, cause it''s Hughtons coaching and backroom staff. failing to drill into the centre backs do not back off from a world class striker like Suarez and give him all the time in the world to shoot at will. Something he has done previously which we have failed to learn from. Christ almighty you lot just don''t get it do you.[/quote]Haha so true. The usual suspects on here just cower and accept defeat as though we should have no control over it. They didn''t have Sturridge so Suarez should have been our main focus, and we shouldn''t have given him an inch. There are no excuses,[/quote] Who are these usual suspects Seattle? If you''re going to question Norwich supporters in that way at least have the bottle to name them. "usual suspects" is the language of a coward my man. And we don''t need such cowardly people following our club... [/quote]I''m no coward my friend. I was merely generalising to be polite. But if you would like, I mostly class you, Ricardo, Morty and Mrs. Miggins in that category. I do not believe it is a coward who is willing to look at a situation that isn''t working and want to implement change. Those with their heads in the sand are the cowards. I''d be scared to be involved with an organisation led by any of you guys, especially if things warranted a strong leader. The ostrich approach is used by the weak, cowardly and with little self initiative. That isn''t my style, and it isn''t how I live my life. It seems those fans that stand behind Hughton do so because they honestly do not know what else to do, and just hope things will get better all by themselves.That - in my opinion - is weak and cowardly, and I have no time or respect for people like Hughton and those that support his ideals.Does that explain my view point better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,704 Posted December 5, 2013 It certainly does. And doesn''t surprise me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,522 Posted December 5, 2013 My point is that some goals are simply unstoppable. How far back are we supposed to perpetually man-mark him - 40 yards?50 ?60?Occasionally (very occasionally) players lob the goalie from the half way line - are you supposed to base your tactics around that? What people seem to be asking is that we only worry about Suarez. Unfortunately Liverpool have several other players just as capable of scoring, so it''s no good putting extra men on him & leaving us open elsewhere.It is weird how he completely dominates us though; I think it just goes to show the way confidence bolsters a striker''s instincts. Suarez just "knows" he''s going to score against us, so he''s fearless & will try anything.We do not get close enough to players when defending, though. We look neat & tidy - but lacking in bite & drive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites