Leicester allocation

[Jacko 0]

Depends what the facts are. If Leicester have indeed requested a full allocation but have refused to stump up the money for any unsold tickets as Tilly says, then they can hardly complain. Norwich are potentially losing out on cash because they would be able to sell those seats to home supporters. That is an unfair and unreasonable request by Leicester. If you are going to make such a song and dance about it, stump up the cash.

I seem to remember in League 1, in particular Hartlepool fans not grasping the notion that Norwich didn''t have an "away end" as such, so many of them turning up on the day without tickets were disappointed. So this is nothing new.

However if the reason for the reduced allocation is segregation worries and the issue of relocating season tickets holders, then Norwich are way out of line of this one. It isn''t particularly difficult to expand the away section and to move the shutters in concourse accordingly. If the police honestly believe this is a grudge fixture then they really are nuts.

[ncfcstar 292]

[quote user="Tim Allman"]And Block K is the problem here as far as I am aware, not J[/quote]Too right it''s a problem, I''d be furious if I had to move seats.  I bet they wouldn''t touch the fans in the ''posh seats'' next to us.  I pay a premium for my seat as do others in the centre blocks because of the view, to be honest I wouldn''t want to sit anywhere else now because of the view I get.  I don''t mind sitting/standing behind the goals for away games because it''s a good atmosphere etc, but it''s undeniable that you can''t get as good an aspect on how the game is actually being played.  The lower block at Loftus Road, and the bottom few rows at Anfield are a case in point, you just can''t tell what is going on down the other end.Anyway, I''m happy that Leicester have been offered a smaller allocation, I''d hate to move seats, as would any fans in the Barclay if they were put in the same position.

[Matt Juler 153]

Out of intert, do those who sit in the middle blocks of the Jarrold have a caveat with the season ticket saying their seat may not be available for cup games?  I believe there use to be back in the days of the old South Stand.

[TIL 1010 4,751]

So it was the Norwich City Safety Advisory Group who made the decision according to the home page. A total of 2,400 tickets for Leicester so expect a tit for tat as i said earlier in the evnt of a replay.

[Matt Juler 153]

[quote user="Matt Juler"]Out of intert, do those who sit in the middle blocks of the Jarrold have a caveat with the season ticket saying their seat may not be available for cup games?  I believe there use to be back in the days of the old South Stand.[/quote]To answer my own question, the 2012/13 season ticket T&Cs state: "Season Ticket Holders are not entitled to automatic entry to home cup ties. Season Ticket Holders will be given an exclusive period in which to purchase their designated seat for home cup ties, subject to the allocation of tickets to the visiting team. Thereafter the Club will offer any unsold seats for general sale."

[grantroederdisaster 0]

I think it would add to the atmosphere on the day if there was 4000 Leicester fans present but I''d seriously whether Leicester is a middling season would sell that many for a 5th round game at Norwich which wouldn''t be the most attractive fixture for many of their fans!

 

Would Leicester be prepared to pay for any unsold tickets cause I''m sure we''d insist on that cause I think we''d be able to get near to selling out?

 

I''m also sure our regular big crowds have also got a bearing on the decision because if we were getting less than 20,000 or had plenty of empty seats then we''d be all up for giving the full allocation!

 

I''m sure if we need a replay our allocation would be restricted as a "tit for tat" but 2400 for a midweek cup trip to Leicester would still be a reasonable allocation!

[Davo 0]

[quote user="Matt Juler"][quote user="Matt Juler"]Out of intert, do those who sit in the middle blocks of the Jarrold have a caveat with the season ticket saying their seat may not be available for cup games?  I believe there use to be back in the days of the old South Stand.
[/quote]To answer my own question, the 2012/13 season ticket T&Cs state: "Season Ticket Holders are not entitled to automatic entry to home cup ties. Season Ticket Holders will be given an exclusive period in which to purchase their designated seat for home cup ties, subject to the allocation of tickets to the visiting team. Thereafter the Club will offer any unsold seats for general sale."
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Don''t let that get in the way of people''s self entitlement that those are their seats.

 

If the reason given was to do with the trouble in couple of years ago imagine if we get through and play someone like Tottenham at home where the Norwich City’s Safety Advisory Group wouldn''t ba able to use the same excuse and I can imagine they would like to bring a large following.

 

Davo

[Unhinged Canary 375]

Serves them right for messing us about on the pricing then.Allegedly we wanted the tickets to be £15 again, but Leicester were after £30 (presumably to bolster their pay day at our expense). The whole issue nearly went to an FA arbitration and if that happened the FA would want to know why the clubs couldn''t agree on ticket prices.So, if that''s true, they''ve made a rod for their own backs......I''m not saying this is fact, but it came from a source who I''m pretty confident with.

[Evil Monkey 52]

If its not a sell-out, Norwich fans should spend the game taunting Leicester fans with the chant "We couldn''t sell all your tickets, sell all your tiii-ickets..."

 

After all this fuss though, the Leicester fans had bloody well better sell out their own allocation, or they''re going to look like right plonkers...

[SpaMFox 0]

Leicester fan here in peace, one of your guys posted on our forum earlier so i just thought i''d post our two bob on the situation. A lot of our fans are just completely baffled by this desion to be honest. We''ve current sold 2,300 of the allocation so this whole argument of us not being able to sell the full 4,000 tickets is a little off. Can understand you guys are pleased that your actually going to be able to get tickets, but the argument your club has put forward about it being a safety issue is pretty much nonsence. We hosted our local rivals Forest in the cup, and there was zero problems between our fans and theirs, infact there was more funny banter going on between the two sets of fans than i''ve heard for a long time, plus we gave them an allocation that was way over the 15% touted by the FA. We also had to move a lot of our fans who own seasons tickets to accomdate them. Our fans arnt trouble makers, bar a few i''m sure, so we cant understand how your people can justify this with that excuse. The bottom line is we are annoyed that anybody without a season ticket isnt going to be able to go, even the members are missing out on a good day out. Cup games are supposed to be a big occasion for everybody, not a chance to flex your muscles and put fans down.Good lucjk with the rest of the season anyway, hopefully we''ll be up there too in a couple of years!

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Like I said earlier I suspect its something to do with the fact we could probably sell the whole ground out without any away fans!

 

If we wern''t getting anywhere near sell out crowds then we''d be all for giving Leicester more tickets!

[nutty nigel 7,539]

Welcome Spam[Y]

 

I''m intrigued by your post. Why on earth would you give your local rivals more tickets than you had to? I can''t imagine us ever depriving our fans of tickets in order to let more ipswich fans into the ground.

[drurys testamonials V 15 0]

Lots of reasonable arguments on here explaining why the allocation is what it is.We won''t ever know the real reasons behind it so speculation is all we have left.

[SpaMFox 0]

Can understand where your coming from, we gave them the tickets because they asked for them! At the end of the day though this isnt supposed to be about Norwich fans who dont hold seasons tickets into the ground, it''s supposed to be about giving the away fans the right amount of tickets they are supposed to be allocated in accordance with the FA. Really dont mean this to come across the wrong way or anything, but it''s not our fault you havnt got enough seating for your fanbase, so why do our fans have to suffer for it?

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="SpaMFox"]Can understand where your coming from, we gave them the tickets because they asked for them! At the end of the day though this isnt supposed to be about Norwich fans who dont hold seasons tickets into the ground, it''s supposed to be about giving the away fans the right amount of tickets they are supposed to be allocated in accordance with the FA. Really dont mean this to come across the wrong way or anything, but it''s not our fault you havnt got enough seating for your fanbase, so why do our fans have to suffer for it?
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I suspect the problem is twofold. The first issue is that our "segregation " involves netting draped over empty seats and a row of stewards. This is far from foolproof if anything kicks off. The second is that there is a bit of previous between the two groups of fans ( ididots on both sides I suspect) , so I can kind of see why the safety group are twitchy about having 4000 Leicester fans there, although that still doesn''t make it fair on you guys.

[nutty nigel 7,539]

[quote user="SpaMFox"]Can understand where your coming from, we gave them the tickets because they asked for them! At the end of the day though this isnt supposed to be about Norwich fans who dont hold seasons tickets into the ground, it''s supposed to be about giving the away fans the right amount of tickets they are supposed to be allocated in accordance with the FA. Really dont mean this to come across the wrong way or anything, but it''s not our fault you havnt got enough seating for your fanbase, so why do our fans have to suffer for it?
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What did your fans who couldn''t get tickets make of that?

 

 

[Jim Smith 2,322]

Spam Fox.

Welcome. I think you will find that most of our fans are sympathetic to your plight and think its a shame that leicester cannot take their full allocation. We would certainly be annoyed if the boot was on the other foot. One thing i would say though is that many Leicester fans are being very quick to pin this decision on Norwich City Football Club but in truth none of us really know the reason behind the decision (which ultimately has been upheld by the FA so there must be some vague reason behind it). As i understand it (and I stand to be corrected if i am wrong) the Norwich City Safety Advisory Group is not some cosy in house Norwich City FC committee but a group including representatives from the club, police, local authorities and licensing authorities which every club has to have and presumably whose recommendations are hard for the club to ignore. It may well be that the club has been told by the police that they will not police a larger allocation (or that they would want a ridiculous sum of money to do so) or by the licensing authorities that there is some kind of safety issue. we all simply do not know. In that regard it would undoubtedly help the situation if the club simply came out and said what the issue is. On that topic it must also be noted that your club has also not said what the issue is which seems slightly strange given their apparent outrage.

That said it could just be Mcnally being a hard nosed b**tard but I don''t see what he really has to gain. If anything, it would make us more money in terms of ticket revenues to sell the seats to away fans as i am sure there would be less concessions!

As for the game I have seen some accusations on leicester boards of us being arrogant but I don''t think you will find thats the case if you hang around on here or the wrath too long. Yes we think we can win the game. We are after all a league above you and are playing well.  We are well aware that leicester will be no pushovers and on the day either team could win. Should be a great atmosphere even with the reduced allocation!

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Hello SpaMFox.

 

Out of interest I understand your stadium holds 32,262 which is the sort of capacity we could do with. What is the number of season ticket holders you have?

 

We have a 27,000 capacity with 22,000 season ticket holders. The total is capped and 1,500 are on a waiting list. Norwich City have made great business through their promotion of season tickets and I''m surprised their model isn''t copied. As part of their promotion the Club holds it''s season ticket holders in high regard and seeks to give them every advantage - which is what I suspect has happened here although I don''t agree with it as I have said before.

 

We then have Supermembers and Members in the ticketing hierachy. In this case they will have to scrap over 2,000 tickets once seats are lost to segregation. What would be your equivalent spare capacity after your season ticket holders had taken up their allocation?

[SpaMFox 0]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]

Hello SpaMFox.

 

Out of interest I understand your stadium holds 32,262 which is the sort of capacity we could do with. What is the number of season ticket holders you have?

 

We have a 27,000 capacity with 22,000 season ticket holders. The total is capped and 1,500 are on a waiting list. Norwich City have made great business through their promotion of season tickets and I''m surprised their model isn''t copied. As part of their promotion the Club holds it''s season ticket holders in high regard and seeks to give them every advantage - which is what I suspect has happened here although I don''t agree with it as I have said before.

 

We then have Supermembers and Members in the ticketing hierachy. In this case they will have to scrap over 2,000 tickets once seats are lost to segregation. What would be your equivalent spare capacity after your season ticket holders had taken up their allocation?

[/quote]I''m not sure about numbers to be honest. At a guess i''d say we have around 16-17,000 season ticket holders. We have a capacity of 32,000, and granted we struggle to fill it on normal match days. Like yourselves though it was a completely different kettle of fish when we were in the Premiership, unless you were a season ticket holder or a member it was difficult to get tickets, but i cant remember us ever cutting the away tickets allocation down for anybody, including our local rivals. It looks like the matter is out of both of our clubs hands to be honest, it''s looking more and more like it was the local authoritys that have imposed this as apposed to the clubs themselves. Its just strange that we have played many clubs over the years that our fans really dont get on with at all (Cov, Derby, Forest etc), clearly clubs we have a much bigger beef with than yours, and as far as i know we''ve never had to impose this sort of action on any of them, either home or away.

[nutty nigel 7,539]

So it seems you have never turned away your own fans in order to accomadate others.

 

As far as I can make out your average away attendance is less than 2000. This figure is boosted greatly by large followings to Coventry, Derby and Forest whose grounds are really close by. When your away game is any further away your following is often less than 1,000.

 

There must be a lot of your fans want to watch us[;)]

[SpaMFox 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

So it seems you have never turned away your own fans in order to accomadate others.

 

As far as I can make out your average away attendance is less than 2000. This figure is boosted greatly by large followings to Coventry, Derby and Forest whose grounds are really close by. When your away game is any further away your following is often less than 1,000.

 

There must be a lot of your fans want to watch us[;)]

[/quote]Cant help but feel like your first bit is slightly besides the point, we as fans are asking for our full away allocation to a cup game, we''ve never stopped another club bringing their full allocation. Infact a couple of times this season we''ve had to move season ticket holders to accomodate away fans. A few of our lot didnt like this, but the vast majority welcomed it as it meant for a better atmosphere.Dont understand where you''ve got those numbers from tbh, more often than not we sell out our away allocation. I think the numbers below 2000 because we generally arnt allocated more then that for league games.

[nutty nigel 7,539]

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Thanks SpaMFox.

 

I''d like to point out that out season ticket base did not diminish nor very much did our ground sales percentage while in lower leagues. Since then we have managed to squeeze in a few hundred more seats.  Our stated policy is to increase the size of our ground. To be sustainable in the EPL you need at least 32,000 to 35,000 and this means major development but we will need to endure three seasons of top flight football to do so because it is a well known expenditure risk - ask Wolves.

 

You have otherwise helped to explain our comparative predicaments. If the boot was on the other foot, after season ticket holders and 5,000 seats to away supporters you still have 10,000 to sell and on that basis few will be in a rush - compared to Norwich where the scarcity value creates a viscious or virtuous cycle.

 

If we had 18,000 season ticket holders and sold Leicester fans 4,000 there would be 5,000 left for casuals but, season tickets equals predicted income equals stability equals a favourable supply and demand situation.

 

But, as I have said, I am sympathetic to Leicester supporters while understanding the dilemma.

[SpaMFox 0]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]

Thanks SpaMFox.

 

I''d like to point out that out season ticket base did not diminish nor very much did our ground sales percentage while in lower leagues. Since then we have managed to squeeze in a few hundred more seats.  Our stated policy is to increase the size of our ground. To be sustainable in the EPL you need at least 32,000 to 35,000 and this means major development but we will need to endure three seasons of top flight football to do so because it is a well known expenditure risk - ask Wolves.[/quote]

Ask us! that whole predicament was instrument in us falling from grace in the early 2000''s, building our required 32,000 seater stadium was nearly the end of us!

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[quote user="Tim Allman"]And Block K is the problem here as far as I am aware, not J[/quote]

Block K is slightly to the right (Barclay end side) of the half way line.

Its not good commercial thinking to move a block of season ticket holders.

Well done Mr. McNally. Keep up the good work. 

[grantroederdisaster 0]

On the subject, I just looked on the online ticketing on our official site and theres only 1 ticket left out of the 2416 available non season/away allocation tickets left. The Leicester fan on here says they''ve nearly sold all of their allocation and I believe plenty of season ticket holders have bought their seats so I''ll be expecting a near sell out!

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[quote user="Yellow Rider"]

[quote user="Sing Up The South Stand"]I''m not sure that''s the reason.  I remember when we played West Ham in 2005 in the FA Cup I had to move (I''m in block J usually) because they had the full allocation.[/quote]

 

I still think the decision is a disgrace though. When the Jarrold was built we were told that one of the main features was the ability to expand and contract the away section as required.

McNally has done much good at NCFC but his money grabbing instincts are, at times, distasteful. At the moment he thinks he can milk the fans left right and centre. When the good times end I wonder how he will react? Oh sorry, I forgot, he will have flown the nest long before and left some other poor bugger to pick up the pieces!      

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Firstly the Jarrold stand is built such that at various points along the concourse they can pull down shutters and vary the allocation to away fans.

However K block on the Barclay side of the half way line would have to be given up to be part of the 4,000 seats and I dont think it falls within the part of the stand where the access on the course can be changed.

As for you accusing McNally may I suggest you think about the interests of the City season ticket holders who fill most of the seats in K block. Why should they relocate to protect YOUR possible interest in an away ticket?

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Tim Allman"]I''ve read this on a Leicester City Forum, posted by NCFCDave whoever he (she maybe) which might go some way in explaining the decision. The real reason for the low allocation is Norfolk Police, renowned for being ridiculously heavy-handed when it comes to footy matches. Although it''s a big derby with potential for trouble, Norwich v 1p5wich games aren''t in the same league as Millwall v West Ham or Birmingham v Villa when it comes to trouble, yet they''re played on Sunday every year thanks to Norfolk police. As a couple of posters have pointed out, this goes back to the trouble Norwich fans caused when you beat us 4-0 at your place 3 years ago. We went down that year so didn''t play each other the following season, but upon our return to the Championship last year, Norfolk police requested both games involving the clubs were midweek, which would guarantee fewer travelling fans. Now we have you in the cup you should quite rightly get 15% and it''s Norfolk police who are putting pressure on the club to give you a reduced allocation. Admittedly, the club probably won''t put up much of a fight as they know we''ll sell out with home fans anyway, and as there are lots of Norwich fans unable to get tickets for Premier League matches, it gives them an opportunity to please more fans. Personally, I think it would add to the occasion if there were 4,000 Leicester fans there. Would enhance what will already be a great atmosphere. If it was the other way around, I''d be absolutely livid. But as for the posts about Norwich fans being arrogant and thinking we''re a top 4 club, come on!! Norwich has more than its fair share of stupid fans but even they don''t think that. We''re similar sized clubs and we''re just enjoying a rare period of success.[/quote]

NCFCDave is talking out of his bottom believe me Tim.

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Where''s the evidence m''lud?

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[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="Tim Allman"]And Block K is the problem here as far as I am aware, not J[/quote]

Too right it''s a problem, I''d be furious if I had to move seats.  I bet they wouldn''t touch the fans in the ''posh seats'' next to us.  I pay a premium for my seat as do others in the centre blocks because of the view, to be honest I wouldn''t want to sit anywhere else now because of the view I get.  I don''t mind sitting/standing behind the goals for away games because it''s a good atmosphere etc, but it''s undeniable that you can''t get as good an aspect on how the game is actually being played.  The lower block at Loftus Road, and the bottom few rows at Anfield are a case in point, you just can''t tell what is going on down the other end.

Anyway, I''m happy that Leicester have been offered a smaller allocation, I''d hate to move seats, as would any fans in the Barclay if they were put in the same position.
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I agree.

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[quote user="Matt Juler"]Out of intert, do those who sit in the middle blocks of the Jarrold have a caveat with the season ticket saying their seat may not be available for cup games?  I believe there use to be back in the days of the old South Stand.
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I sit in K block and the there is no caveat.