king canary 7,701 Posted August 28, 2009 [quote user="SPat"]For a university debate (and another pornstar''s view that''s not quite so negative as the one posted earlier) go to http://www.ucd.ie/lnh/debates/1532porn.htmlFrankly there''s unpleasant people and expoitation in most, many if not all industries. The fact that porn is about sex is what makes it controversial. I don''t think sex is only ok if it''s in a commited relationship. All consensual sex is ok and all non-consensual sex is not ok. I''ve personally known a number of porn stars in my time, and they''ve all appeared and claimed to be having lots of fun, seemed more grounded than many and know exactly why they''re doing it. I''m sure there''s damaged and unhappy people involved, but don''t believe the right-wing religious hype that everyone is screwed up, abused etc etc.[/quote]Agree with all of that. As I have mentioned before I am not advocating banning porn, mearly pointing out a counter argument to some of what was posted here. Porn is not evil but all in the industry is not good either. As always the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the middle of the two views. Oh and the girlfriend is not hypthetical, but thanks for you concern [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo 0 Posted August 28, 2009 Well i''d be all for a change of leadership and some more cash in the club.Let''s hope something comes of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Making Plans 942 Posted August 28, 2009 211 posts so far in this thread & over 10,000 views. Looks like we prefer sex to football then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Puzzy magnet 0 Posted August 28, 2009 Cracking thread this. Still laughing at the fact Gold and Sullivan have been linking to spawning serial killers... Keep it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CambridgeCanary 0 Posted August 28, 2009 [quote user="Making Plans"]211 posts so far in this thread & over 10,000 views. Looks like we prefer sex to football then.[/quote]no surprises in any of that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted August 28, 2009 [quote user="Big Dog "]Cracking thread this. Still laughing at the fact Gold and Sullivan have been linking to spawning serial killers... Keep it up. [/quote]Ok, that''s obviously not true, but Sullivan did sell a film with his girlfriends'' name in the title, and no doubt starring his girlfriend, a few months after she had killed herself. Is it just me that finds that morally objectionable ?I just can''t see how there is legs in this story - Delia Smith, who wanted to build a chapel in the club, selling to David Sullivan, owner of the Daily Sport. You couldn''t make it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted August 28, 2009 [quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Big Dog "]Cracking thread this. Still laughing at the fact Gold and Sullivan have been linking to spawning serial killers... Keep it up. [/quote]Ok, that''s obviously not true, but Sullivan did sell a film with his girlfriends'' name in the title, and no doubt starring his girlfriend, a few months after she had killed herself. Is it just me that finds that morally objectionable ?I just can''t see how there is legs in this story - Delia Smith, who wanted to build a chapel in the club, selling to David Sullivan, owner of the Daily Sport. You couldn''t make it up.[/quote]In todays EDP it says Sully ranks Delia as a great personal friend................Hmm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellowdamien 0 Posted August 28, 2009 [quote user="SPat"][quote user="DCB"]In relation to the link between porn and rape, perhaps you might explain why most criminologists and psychologists take that seriously. It is not too say everyone who uses porn will rape, rather that it can trigger such behaviour in the vulnerable and dangerous. Famously Ted Bundy admitted that his desire had stemmed from heavy use of porn, which then moved onto images of pain etc.. You may think that is ''just sex'' - I think it different. [/quote]Wild statements of pure supposition. Correlations are not causations. Show the evidence to back up your use of the term "most criminologists and psychologists" Even if true, the claims of Bundy about what "caused" his behaviour presumably can be treated with caution! I''d be more disappointed if my daughter became an estate agent than a porn star if that''s what she really wanted, was safe and happy doing it. [/quote]I''m currently in my third year of a BSc in Psychology at Uni of Manchester, and never have I heard that the major consensus was that porn can trigger rape. As SPat points out, correlation does not imply causation. If porn use is statistically higher in rapists and other sexual offenders than in the general population then one reason may be that rapists and sexual offenders need something to satisfy their aberrant desires and porn fills a gap, therefore it is their desires and behaviours causing porn use, not porn use causing their desires and behaviours.Now lets get on with the real issue of whether they as owners would be good for the club, not issue dubious statements about their business. Grow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellowdamien 0 Posted August 28, 2009 And why in the name of Christ does it never work properly when I try and quote something!! :s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William Darby 0 Posted August 28, 2009 [quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Big Dog "]Cracking thread this. Still laughing at the fact Gold and Sullivan have been linking to spawning serial killers... Keep it up. [/quote]Ok, that''s obviously not true, but Sullivan did sell a film with his girlfriends'' name in the title, and no doubt starring his girlfriend, a few months after she had killed herself. Is it just me that finds that morally objectionable ?I just can''t see how there is legs in this story - Delia Smith, who wanted to build a chapel in the club, selling to David Sullivan, owner of the Daily Sport. You couldn''t make it up.[/quote]We done that earlier, established that the majority of posters here, don''t get offended on somebody else''s behalf.[;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean Coneys boots 1,421 Posted August 28, 2009 oh well if you are doing a Bsc I shall go and be quiet in the corner!! Sorry but using longer words to say that you cannot prove porn motivates killers just cos they look at it does not end the debate...nor demand I grow up. Please dont patronise MR Bsc man, much as I salute you for your achievments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkchance1 0 Posted May 24, 2011 Bump!Bet some people are happy we didn''t sell out now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,656 Posted May 24, 2011 [quote user="Bury Green"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Jim Smith"] If they make us successful I could not give two hoots whether they have made their money from the adult entertainment industry. I believe 95% of our fans would say the same. If you would rather we were nice and pure but unsuccessful then thats your perogative but unfortunately with that attitude we are unlikley to get anywhere in football these days.[/quote]I agree with Jim but I am not convinced they would make us successful. In the time they were at Birmingham they got them relegated a few times. Spent a season in the third division. Spent loads of dosh on concrete. Appointed plenty of crap managers. And had a spell in the Prem but never managed to get far above the trap door. This did not meet with their fans expectations.It''s not about where their money came from it''s about the football decisions on how it''s spent. Appointing rubbish managers is just that whoever appoints them. And wasting the player budget won''t bring success whoevers money it is. [/quote]Well it certainly has a familiar ring to it, one promotion and two relegations in fourteen years and a host of failed managers, who could it be?[/quote]Would you call Avram Grant and the subsequent relegation a familiar ring? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted May 24, 2011 Dear oh dear... how many years have Gold and Sullivan spent in the Prem? They done a fantastic job at Birmingham and I dare say that West Ham will soon be back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,601 Posted May 24, 2011 Gold, Sullivan and Brady have made some mistakes since they took over, but this relegation is really the inevitable result of the disastrous Icelandic ownership. In truth West Ham should have gone down last season, with only 35 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkchance1 0 Posted May 24, 2011 I doubt they would have done any worse under Zola. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete_norw 0 Posted May 24, 2011 [quote user="norfolkchance1"]I doubt they would have done any worse under Zola.[/quote]Are we all having a good laugh at Wetspam now, I see all the Yarmouth branch of plastic fans have gone into hiding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
improper fraction 0 Posted May 24, 2011 Wonder if they''re regretting their choice... lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratton canary 138 Posted May 24, 2011 Is Karen Brady coming for the ride ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,656 Posted May 24, 2011 [quote user="Smudger"]Dear oh dear... how many years have Gold and Sullivan spent in the Prem? They done a fantastic job at Birmingham and I dare say that West Ham will soon be back.[/quote]I would have thought Steve Bruce did a fantastic job at Birmingham. If a board give a manager a competetive player budget then the club will do as well as that managers abilities allow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted May 24, 2011 [quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Smudger"]Dear oh dear... how many years have Gold and Sullivan spent in the Prem? They done a fantastic job at Birmingham and I dare say that West Ham will soon be back.[/quote]I would have thought Steve Bruce did a fantastic job at Birmingham. If a board give a manager a competetive player budget then the club will do as well as that managers abilities allow. [/quote]I think that he done a fair job for Brum Nutty. In fact I don''t think Bruce has ever been relegated as a manager from the top tier has he (during his time at Sunderland, Wigan and Brum)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,701 Posted May 24, 2011 [quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Smudger"]Dear oh dear... how many years have Gold and Sullivan spent in the Prem? They done a fantastic job at Birmingham and I dare say that West Ham will soon be back.[/quote]I would have thought Steve Bruce did a fantastic job at Birmingham. If a board give a manager a competetive player budget then the club will do as well as that managers abilities allow. [/quote]I think that he done a fair job for Brum Nutty. In fact I don''t think Bruce has ever been relegated as a manager from the top tier has he (during his time at Sunderland, Wigan and Brum)?[/quote]Didn''t he get relegated with Brum? Went strait back up mind.As for Sullivan and Gold, they appointed a bad manager, undermined the previous one and continued to be unhelpful through the media. Pair of idiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yorkshire Canary 118 Posted May 24, 2011 We do not want those inept pratts. The two clubs they messed with both got relegated this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
