Read this post on WOTB

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Have a look at WOTB and read the long post from ''''happy clappy hughes at 10.38am this morning, title of the thread is The Future Of NCFC.

He makes some great points and probably sums up what a lot of us are thinking at the moment.

Heres the link to that site http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/

 

 

[Jerzy Krukowski 5]

hard to argue with any of that. Sibierski has been the biggest disappointment to me so far. A pointless acquisistion and we''ve clearly played worse since he''s been here. Teams can demand their loans are returned, can we demand they''re returned too?!

[bringbackterraces 0]

Everything the person said was very true apart from we didn''t lose 4-0 at Coventry last season althought it felt like we did given the p*ss poor performance!

[jetstream 0]

They complain about other forums but someone writes a interesting/detailed argument on there and the response is the usual one-liners.

(Awful formatting on that WOTB too - join the 21st century people!)

[WeAreYellows49 0]

I don''t even know what I am supposed to be reading, lots of posts on there, which one you on about CA?

[arrdee 2]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"]I don''t even know what I am supposed to be reading, lots of posts on there, which one you on about CA?[/quote]

Yep have to agree 49s I couldn''t find anyone had posted a message at 10-38 or whatever , or is it just us 49s ?

[AndyJR 0]

I believe it is this one.

The future of NCFC

The Loan Players

It really annoys me when I keep reading and hearing in the media that

the only option we have as a club is to pad our squad with 9 loan

players. This is absolute rubbish. Name one other club in the football

leagues who have that amount of loan players and there are many clubs

in a financial mess like us and they don’t have 25,000 fans coming to

watch them.

Roeder claims that getting the loan players in is the only way to get

quality into our squad but I am still waiting to see this so called

quality from the majority of the loan players.

The loan signing that defies belief is Troy Archibald Henville from

Spurs. Yesterday he was the only fit centre back in the club and yet he

was deemed too raw to even merit a place on the bench. Why oh why are

we paying for his wages/accommodation at Dunston Hall etc for the

season if he is too raw to get anywhere near the side when we have a

defensive crisis. It is not as though we have a reserve team anymore

who are playing every week. The odd friendly against Kirkley is hardly

going to make him less raw!

Many clubs use the loan system by complementing their squad with 2 or 3

players as Nigel Worthington did with such affect in our promotion

season with the additions of Huckerby, Crouch and Harper/Cooper however

having 9 loan players in a squad is simply not healthy.

Roeder and Team Selection

I am afraid that Roeder and Clark talk the talk but they are failing to

walk the walk. Recently I read a report in which Clark stated whilst he

is at the club no Norwich team would ever go out and play with less

than 100% commitment and that they would not simply role over and die.

Did he miss the 4 -0 maulings at Leicester and Coventry last season? I

also saw very little fight and commitment yesterday from certain

players.

We continually seem to play players out of position, excluding the 2

full backs that have filled in at centre back yesterday, during the

season we have seen Russell up front, Bertrand on the left wing,

Hoolihan on the right wing, Patterson on the right wing, Koroma on the

left wing etc. Roeder specifically stated when he took over that he

would not put round pegs in square holes but he continually does week

in week out.

We have 4 loan strikers and have so far tried 6 players upfront (

Russell, Siberski, Lupoli, Koroma, Cureton, Lita). We knew at the end

of the 2006/2007 that Dion Dublin would be retiring at the end of the

2007/2008 season. Surely this was ample time to get a target man

replacement in but alas no. It appears that Roeder put all his eggs in

one basket chasing Iverson as his replacement and when he failed to

pull this deal off after it dragging on for months he was left on the

last day of the transfer window scrabbling around for any sort of

target man to play up front. Helguson from Bolton turned us down so at

the 11th hour Roeder had to get Siberski in who is simply not a target

man. He has played the majority of his career as an attacking

midfielder and his goal scoring record clearly shows this.

We currently have 4 “small strikers” namely Lita, Lupoli, Cureton and

Koroma. Small strikers need one of two things either a big target man

to play off or a creative midfield who can pick early passes down the

channels for the strikers to run on to. Unfortunately we have neither a

target man nor a midfield that can pass it forward let alone pick

creative early passes down the sides of the opposition centre backs.

Yesterday on many occasions Lita wanted the ball early into the

channels and we instead held onto the ball in midfield and took extra

touches and shuffled the ball sideways. You can try as many strikers as

you like but until you sort out either a target man or a creative

midfielder the small strikers will fail to score regularly.

The Boardroom

Yesterday I heard an interview on Radio 5 live with the West Brom

Chairman who stated that football has changed vastly over the last 5

years and that all clubs now need a very rich benefactor preferably a

billionaire to bankroll the club. He stated that there are only a

certain amount of these types about and that he touted West Brom around

in the summer and they failed to get a single interested party despite

them about to embark on a premiership season. Obviously I do not know

what the exact situation is on the Carrow Road Boardroom but from were

I stand it appears that our board and club have failed to move with the

changing times of football. During the summer we were in the rare

position of having a billionaire with an affiliation to the club show

an interest and yet our board failed to even meet him face to face to

discuss the potential of taking the club forward. The debate about

Delia and whether she has been good or bad for the club can go on and

on but it will not help the club. The board have to realise that they

have taken us as far as they can and if we are ever to get back to the

top half of the championship let alone the premiership we can’t afford

to turn down people like Peter Cullum.

I believe there is a very cosy approach to everything at the club at

the moment. This is reflected in Neil Doncaster’s role at the club. I

do not believe it is in the best interest of the club to have the Chief

Executive also as a Director of the club. Surely this is a conflict of

interest?

The Media

I have become very frustrated with the way things are reported about

Norwich City in the media. The EDP seems to an extension of the Carrow

Road PR department. This is not in the best interests of the club

either. Perhaps if the local media showed some balls and criticised the

club when criticism is due it would help the club rather than paper

over the cracks that are getting wider and wider.

Conclusion

NCFC is in terminal decline and urgent changes are needed. I am afraid

we have not hit the bottom yet and I believe division one football is

looming unless we readdress the situation very quickly. The approach at

the moment appears very much to be turn a blind eye and paper over the

cracks and somehow we will come out smelling of roses. Unfortunately

this is no the case and the cracks will only get wider unless something

is done.

Posted By: happy clappy hughes on October 5th 2008 at 10:38:01

[Mello Yello 2,572]

I concur wholeheartedly with this post.....[Y]

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="arrdee"]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"]I don''t even know what I am supposed to be reading, lots of posts on there, which one you on about CA?[/quote]

Yep have to agree 49s I couldn''t find anyone had posted a message at 10-38 or whatever , or is it just us 49s ?

[/quote]

 

lol just me and thee as ever arrdee, I''m not complaining though [:D]

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="AndyJR"]I believe it is this one.

The future of NCFC

The Loan Players

It really annoys me when I keep reading and hearing in the media that the only option we have as a club is to pad our squad with 9 loan players. This is absolute rubbish. Name one other club in the football leagues who have that amount of loan players and there are many clubs in a financial mess like us and they don’t have 25,000 fans coming to watch them.
Roeder claims that getting the loan players in is the only way to get quality into our squad but I am still waiting to see this so called quality from the majority of the loan players.
The loan signing that defies belief is Troy Archibald Henville from Spurs. Yesterday he was the only fit centre back in the club and yet he was deemed too raw to even merit a place on the bench. Why oh why are we paying for his wages/accommodation at Dunston Hall etc for the season if he is too raw to get anywhere near the side when we have a defensive crisis. It is not as though we have a reserve team anymore who are playing every week. The odd friendly against Kirkley is hardly going to make him less raw!
Many clubs use the loan system by complementing their squad with 2 or 3 players as Nigel Worthington did with such affect in our promotion season with the additions of Huckerby, Crouch and Harper/Cooper however having 9 loan players in a squad is simply not healthy.

Roeder and Team Selection
I am afraid that Roeder and Clark talk the talk but they are failing to walk the walk. Recently I read a report in which Clark stated whilst he is at the club no Norwich team would ever go out and play with less than 100% commitment and that they would not simply role over and die. Did he miss the 4 -0 maulings at Leicester and Coventry last season? I also saw very little fight and commitment yesterday from certain players.
We continually seem to play players out of position, excluding the 2 full backs that have filled in at centre back yesterday, during the season we have seen Russell up front, Bertrand on the left wing, Hoolihan on the right wing, Patterson on the right wing, Koroma on the left wing etc. Roeder specifically stated when he took over that he would not put round pegs in square holes but he continually does week in week out.

We have 4 loan strikers and have so far tried 6 players upfront ( Russell, Siberski, Lupoli, Koroma, Cureton, Lita). We knew at the end of the 2006/2007 that Dion Dublin would be retiring at the end of the 2007/2008 season. Surely this was ample time to get a target man replacement in but alas no. It appears that Roeder put all his eggs in one basket chasing Iverson as his replacement and when he failed to pull this deal off after it dragging on for months he was left on the last day of the transfer window scrabbling around for any sort of target man to play up front. Helguson from Bolton turned us down so at the 11th hour Roeder had to get Siberski in who is simply not a target man. He has played the majority of his career as an attacking midfielder and his goal scoring record clearly shows this.
We currently have 4 “small strikers” namely Lita, Lupoli, Cureton and Koroma. Small strikers need one of two things either a big target man to play off or a creative midfield who can pick early passes down the channels for the strikers to run on to. Unfortunately we have neither a target man nor a midfield that can pass it forward let alone pick creative early passes down the sides of the opposition centre backs. Yesterday on many occasions Lita wanted the ball early into the channels and we instead held onto the ball in midfield and took extra touches and shuffled the ball sideways. You can try as many strikers as you like but until you sort out either a target man or a creative midfielder the small strikers will fail to score regularly.

The Boardroom
Yesterday I heard an interview on Radio 5 live with the West Brom Chairman who stated that football has changed vastly over the last 5 years and that all clubs now need a very rich benefactor preferably a billionaire to bankroll the club. He stated that there are only a certain amount of these types about and that he touted West Brom around in the summer and they failed to get a single interested party despite them about to embark on a premiership season. Obviously I do not know what the exact situation is on the Carrow Road Boardroom but from were I stand it appears that our board and club have failed to move with the changing times of football. During the summer we were in the rare position of having a billionaire with an affiliation to the club show an interest and yet our board failed to even meet him face to face to discuss the potential of taking the club forward. The debate about Delia and whether she has been good or bad for the club can go on and on but it will not help the club. The board have to realise that they have taken us as far as they can and if we are ever to get back to the top half of the championship let alone the premiership we can’t afford to turn down people like Peter Cullum.

I believe there is a very cosy approach to everything at the club at the moment. This is reflected in Neil Doncaster’s role at the club. I do not believe it is in the best interest of the club to have the Chief Executive also as a Director of the club. Surely this is a conflict of interest?

The Media
I have become very frustrated with the way things are reported about Norwich City in the media. The EDP seems to an extension of the Carrow Road PR department. This is not in the best interests of the club either. Perhaps if the local media showed some balls and criticised the club when criticism is due it would help the club rather than paper over the cracks that are getting wider and wider.

Conclusion
NCFC is in terminal decline and urgent changes are needed. I am afraid we have not hit the bottom yet and I believe division one football is looming unless we readdress the situation very quickly. The approach at the moment appears very much to be turn a blind eye and paper over the cracks and somehow we will come out smelling of roses. Unfortunately this is no the case and the cracks will only get wider unless something is done.

Posted By: happy clappy hughes on October 5th 2008 at 10:38:01

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Huge thanks Andy, much appreciated.

[AndyJR 0]

Always a pleasure sir.  [ip]

[Syteanric 1]

agree 100% with the WOTB poster... he''s hit the nail on the head for me with what he says...

jas :)

[WeAreYellows49 0]

Fantastic post and sums up my feelings 100%. [Y]

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="Mello Yello"]

I concur wholeheartedly with this post.....[Y]

[/quote]

Maybe those who don''t agree with the post - can give their opinions?

[WeAreYellows49 0]

MY don''t hold your breath [:D]

[T 191]

I can see why you go for loans because potentially they make the most use of the budget but have to agree it is not ideal.

I think the comments from the West Brom chairman some up our biggest problem well. I don''t agree with the critics of PC and would like to see him takeover. The problem is it has become very clear he did not make an offer to búy the existing shareholders out so any one who understands these things would have told me to get lost. If ashley wants 300m and spurs 500m then 16m for the shares is not reaonable. Standard tactics would be to discuss with other parties and then go back to PC when you have got some more bargaining chips. The Board have publicly agreed we need new investors the problem is finding them when football is a loss making business.

[arrdee 2]

Yes thanks Andy , thats not the first time you have helped me out. Cheers you lovely old boy....arrdee.

[FilletTheFishWife . 0]

[quote user="AndyJR"]I believe it is this one.

The future of NCFC

The Loan Players

It really annoys me when I keep reading and hearing in the media that the only option we have as a club is to pad our squad with 9 loan players. This is absolute rubbish. Name one other club in the football leagues who have that amount of loan players and there are many clubs in a financial mess like us and they don’t have 25,000 fans coming to watch them.
Roeder claims that getting the loan players in is the only way to get quality into our squad but I am still waiting to see this so called quality from the majority of the loan players.
The loan signing that defies belief is Troy Archibald Henville from Spurs. Yesterday he was the only fit centre back in the club and yet he was deemed too raw to even merit a place on the bench. Why oh why are we paying for his wages/accommodation at Dunston Hall etc for the season if he is too raw to get anywhere near the side when we have a defensive crisis. It is not as though we have a reserve team anymore who are playing every week. The odd friendly against Kirkley is hardly going to make him less raw!
Many clubs use the loan system by complementing their squad with 2 or 3 players as Nigel Worthington did with such affect in our promotion season with the additions of Huckerby, Crouch and Harper/Cooper however having 9 loan players in a squad is simply not healthy.

Roeder and Team Selection
I am afraid that Roeder and Clark talk the talk but they are failing to walk the walk. Recently I read a report in which Clark stated whilst he is at the club no Norwich team would ever go out and play with less than 100% commitment and that they would not simply role over and die. Did he miss the 4 -0 maulings at Leicester and Coventry last season? I also saw very little fight and commitment yesterday from certain players.
We continually seem to play players out of position, excluding the 2 full backs that have filled in at centre back yesterday, during the season we have seen Russell up front, Bertrand on the left wing, Hoolihan on the right wing, Patterson on the right wing, Koroma on the left wing etc. Roeder specifically stated when he took over that he would not put round pegs in square holes but he continually does week in week out.

We have 4 loan strikers and have so far tried 6 players upfront ( Russell, Siberski, Lupoli, Koroma, Cureton, Lita). We knew at the end of the 2006/2007 that Dion Dublin would be retiring at the end of the 2007/2008 season. Surely this was ample time to get a target man replacement in but alas no. It appears that Roeder put all his eggs in one basket chasing Iverson as his replacement and when he failed to pull this deal off after it dragging on for months he was left on the last day of the transfer window scrabbling around for any sort of target man to play up front. Helguson from Bolton turned us down so at the 11th hour Roeder had to get Siberski in who is simply not a target man. He has played the majority of his career as an attacking midfielder and his goal scoring record clearly shows this.
We currently have 4 “small strikers” namely Lita, Lupoli, Cureton and Koroma. Small strikers need one of two things either a big target man to play off or a creative midfield who can pick early passes down the channels for the strikers to run on to. Unfortunately we have neither a target man nor a midfield that can pass it forward let alone pick creative early passes down the sides of the opposition centre backs. Yesterday on many occasions Lita wanted the ball early into the channels and we instead held onto the ball in midfield and took extra touches and shuffled the ball sideways. You can try as many strikers as you like but until you sort out either a target man or a creative midfielder the small strikers will fail to score regularly.

The Boardroom
Yesterday I heard an interview on Radio 5 live with the West Brom Chairman who stated that football has changed vastly over the last 5 years and that all clubs now need a very rich benefactor preferably a billionaire to bankroll the club. He stated that there are only a certain amount of these types about and that he touted West Brom around in the summer and they failed to get a single interested party despite them about to embark on a premiership season. Obviously I do not know what the exact situation is on the Carrow Road Boardroom but from were I stand it appears that our board and club have failed to move with the changing times of football. During the summer we were in the rare position of having a billionaire with an affiliation to the club show an interest and yet our board failed to even meet him face to face to discuss the potential of taking the club forward. The debate about Delia and whether she has been good or bad for the club can go on and on but it will not help the club. The board have to realise that they have taken us as far as they can and if we are ever to get back to the top half of the championship let alone the premiership we can’t afford to turn down people like Peter Cullum.

I believe there is a very cosy approach to everything at the club at the moment. This is reflected in Neil Doncaster’s role at the club. I do not believe it is in the best interest of the club to have the Chief Executive also as a Director of the club. Surely this is a conflict of interest?

The Media
I have become very frustrated with the way things are reported about Norwich City in the media. The EDP seems to an extension of the Carrow Road PR department. This is not in the best interests of the club either. Perhaps if the local media showed some balls and criticised the club when criticism is due it would help the club rather than paper over the cracks that are getting wider and wider.

Conclusion
NCFC is in terminal decline and urgent changes are needed. I am afraid we have not hit the bottom yet and I believe division one football is looming unless we readdress the situation very quickly. The approach at the moment appears very much to be turn a blind eye and paper over the cracks and somehow we will come out smelling of roses. Unfortunately this is no the case and the cracks will only get wider unless something is done.

Posted By: happy clappy hughes on October 5th 2008 at 10:38:01

[/quote]

 

How dare he criticise "Anton Sitonmyarseski" !

[Prudence 0]

Broadly agree with everything he says. For years ive been dreaming of a billionaire city fan to rescue us from our downward spiral, and when one turns up he is rebutted and vilified. Its a shameful state of affairs. The team, and the board are a joke. 4 years of total failure deserve no reward.   

[city-till-i-die 7]

[quote user="AndyJR"]I believe it is this one.

The future of NCFC

The Loan Players

It really annoys me when I keep reading and hearing in the media that the only option we have as a club is to pad our squad with 9 loan players. This is absolute rubbish. Name one other club in the football leagues who have that amount of loan players and there are many clubs in a financial mess like us and they don’t have 25,000 fans coming to watch them.
Roeder claims that getting the loan players in is the only way to get quality into our squad but I am still waiting to see this so called quality from the majority of the loan players.
The loan signing that defies belief is Troy Archibald Henville from Spurs. Yesterday he was the only fit centre back in the club and yet he was deemed too raw to even merit a place on the bench. Why oh why are we paying for his wages/accommodation at Dunston Hall etc for the season if he is too raw to get anywhere near the side when we have a defensive crisis. It is not as though we have a reserve team anymore who are playing every week. The odd friendly against Kirkley is hardly going to make him less raw!
Many clubs use the loan system by complementing their squad with 2 or 3 players as Nigel Worthington did with such affect in our promotion season with the additions of Huckerby, Crouch and Harper/Cooper however having 9 loan players in a squad is simply not healthy.

Roeder and Team Selection
I am afraid that Roeder and Clark talk the talk but they are failing to walk the walk. Recently I read a report in which Clark stated whilst he is at the club no Norwich team would ever go out and play with less than 100% commitment and that they would not simply role over and die. Did he miss the 4 -0 maulings at Leicester and Coventry last season? I also saw very little fight and commitment yesterday from certain players.
We continually seem to play players out of position, excluding the 2 full backs that have filled in at centre back yesterday, during the season we have seen Russell up front, Bertrand on the left wing, Hoolihan on the right wing, Patterson on the right wing, Koroma on the left wing etc. Roeder specifically stated when he took over that he would not put round pegs in square holes but he continually does week in week out.

We have 4 loan strikers and have so far tried 6 players upfront ( Russell, Siberski, Lupoli, Koroma, Cureton, Lita). We knew at the end of the 2006/2007 that Dion Dublin would be retiring at the end of the 2007/2008 season. Surely this was ample time to get a target man replacement in but alas no. It appears that Roeder put all his eggs in one basket chasing Iverson as his replacement and when he failed to pull this deal off after it dragging on for months he was left on the last day of the transfer window scrabbling around for any sort of target man to play up front. Helguson from Bolton turned us down so at the 11th hour Roeder had to get Siberski in who is simply not a target man. He has played the majority of his career as an attacking midfielder and his goal scoring record clearly shows this.
We currently have 4 “small strikers” namely Lita, Lupoli, Cureton and Koroma. Small strikers need one of two things either a big target man to play off or a creative midfield who can pick early passes down the channels for the strikers to run on to. Unfortunately we have neither a target man nor a midfield that can pass it forward let alone pick creative early passes down the sides of the opposition centre backs. Yesterday on many occasions Lita wanted the ball early into the channels and we instead held onto the ball in midfield and took extra touches and shuffled the ball sideways. You can try as many strikers as you like but until you sort out either a target man or a creative midfielder the small strikers will fail to score regularly.

The Boardroom
Yesterday I heard an interview on Radio 5 live with the West Brom Chairman who stated that football has changed vastly over the last 5 years and that all clubs now need a very rich benefactor preferably a billionaire to bankroll the club. He stated that there are only a certain amount of these types about and that he touted West Brom around in the summer and they failed to get a single interested party despite them about to embark on a premiership season. Obviously I do not know what the exact situation is on the Carrow Road Boardroom but from were I stand it appears that our board and club have failed to move with the changing times of football. During the summer we were in the rare position of having a billionaire with an affiliation to the club show an interest and yet our board failed to even meet him face to face to discuss the potential of taking the club forward. The debate about Delia and whether she has been good or bad for the club can go on and on but it will not help the club. The board have to realise that they have taken us as far as they can and if we are ever to get back to the top half of the championship let alone the premiership we can’t afford to turn down people like Peter Cullum.

I believe there is a very cosy approach to everything at the club at the moment. This is reflected in Neil Doncaster’s role at the club. I do not believe it is in the best interest of the club to have the Chief Executive also as a Director of the club. Surely this is a conflict of interest?

The Media
I have become very frustrated with the way things are reported about Norwich City in the media. The EDP seems to an extension of the Carrow Road PR department. This is not in the best interests of the club either. Perhaps if the local media showed some balls and criticised the club when criticism is due it would help the club rather than paper over the cracks that are getting wider and wider.

Conclusion
NCFC is in terminal decline and urgent changes are needed. I am afraid we have not hit the bottom yet and I believe division one football is looming unless we readdress the situation very quickly. The approach at the moment appears very much to be turn a blind eye and paper over the cracks and somehow we will come out smelling of roses. Unfortunately this is no the case and the cracks will only get wider unless something is done.

Posted By: happy clappy hughes on October 5th 2008 at 10:38:01

[/quote]nail head springs to mind

[shortfatb 0]

I''ve said elsewhere, I don''t agree with the loans nor am I happy that as a club we have to resort to this due to our financial straits, but I do believe we have some good players signed and on loan, we have had no luck, we have been unfortunate with injuries, some potentially good players never seem to learn, Wes doesn''t seem to know what he''s doing and Lupoli still doesn''t seem fit, and I do think with a fit squad and even a lucky win we will not be in any danger of relegation. I would like D&MWJ to go to be replaced by someone richer, but they deserve to go with dignity and Roeder as a manager and his team cannot be compared to the hapless peter Grant who was honest and enthusiastic but horribly out of his deprh.       

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

Pretty much sums up my feelings too.

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

I don''t wish to be picky about a good post, but surely if we are in ''terminal decline'' then it''s too late for ''urgent changes''. [um][um]

Sorry!![um]

OTBC

[Gentleman Jim 0]

 

The key sentence that sums things up for me is :-

"I am afraid that Roeder and Clark talk the talk but they are failing to walk the walk"

We have now had two managers in a row guilty of being all rhetoric and no substance, each have a confidence in their ability that they are not capable of fulfilling.

 Both are persuasive to potential employers and whilst I fault our board for hiring them I can hardly blame them for falling for their respective sales patter. Both are poor man managers using methods that are confidence destroying to the players in the way of poor team selection and public criticism.

When we eventually replace the current management team, (as we inevitably will be it sooner or later), I suggest we negate the current interview panel system and head hunt men with obvious known successful records !

IMHO

 

 

 

 

 

[Saint Canary 0]

It''s still very early in the season and a lot can change.  At the moment we are an inconsistent team in an inconsistent league and there really is no need to panic yet but a lot of what the guy says does have a ring of truth to it. After 10 games into the season for the past 3 years we have had 3 different managers and effectively 3 largely different squads yet we have still been in the bottom 6 everytime.  We have seen huge turnover of players, cancelling contracts that no doubt cost us a lot of money yet we see no improvement other than some early season promise of good football which has vanished in the last few games.  We saw an OKish start from Grant and Worthington in seasons past as well though.I still don''t care what anyone says, we do have far too many loans and you can''t get away from that. Roeder has done an OK job so far but can anyone really say that they are excited for the future of Norwich City with so many loans here?  We have no promising young players in our squad except those we are blooding for other clubs and we have no prospect of buying any of them because we can''t even afford a months wages for Lita.  On top of that we now seem to be taking other (rival) clubs players on loan in order to get them fit.  Don''t get me wrong, Lita is a good signing but by the time he is fully match fit, he will be going back to Reading.

[blinded by the story 0]

well considered and well written, Archant sign him up

[Shaun Tilly Lace 0]

Happy Clappy Hughes has summed up our dire predicament very eloquently. Makes a refreshing change from some of the dross written by the journalists in the EDP and the Evening News - that''s for sure.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Gorleston Jim"]

 

The key sentence that sums things up for me is :-

"I am afraid that Roeder and Clark talk the talk but they are failing to walk the walk"

We have now had two managers in a row guilty of being all rhetoric and no substance, each have a confidence in their ability that they are not capable of fulfilling.

 Both are persuasive to potential employers and whilst I fault our board for hiring them I can hardly blame them for falling for their respective sales patter. Both are poor man managers using methods that are confidence destroying to the players in the way of poor team selection and public criticism.

When we eventually replace the current management team, (as we inevitably will be it sooner or later), I suggest we negate the current interview panel system and head hunt men with obvious known successful records !

IMHO

 

 

 

 

 

[/quote]

both Grant and Roeder would make good salesmen.. persuasive and confident in their own abilities.. perhaps they missed their fcalling in life?

jas :)

[AndyJR 0]

[quote user="arrdee"]Yes thanks Andy , thats not the first time you have helped me out. Cheers you lovely old boy....arrdee.[/quote]Service with a smile arrdee.  [:D]

[Berkshire Canary 12]

[quote user="AndyJR"]I believe it is this one.

The future of NCFC

The Loan Players

It really annoys me when I keep reading and hearing in the media that the only option we have as a club is to pad our squad with 9 loan players. This is absolute rubbish. Name one other club in the football leagues who have that amount of loan players and there are many clubs in a financial mess like us and they don’t have 25,000 fans coming to watch them.
Roeder claims that getting the loan players in is the only way to get quality into our squad but I am still waiting to see this so called quality from the majority of the loan players.
The loan signing that defies belief is Troy Archibald Henville from Spurs. Yesterday he was the only fit centre back in the club and yet he was deemed too raw to even merit a place on the bench. Why oh why are we paying for his wages/accommodation at Dunston Hall etc for the season if he is too raw to get anywhere near the side when we have a defensive crisis. It is not as though we have a reserve team anymore who are playing every week. The odd friendly against Kirkley is hardly going to make him less raw!
Many clubs use the loan system by complementing their squad with 2 or 3 players as Nigel Worthington did with such affect in our promotion season with the additions of Huckerby, Crouch and Harper/Cooper however having 9 loan players in a squad is simply not healthy.

Roeder and Team Selection
I am afraid that Roeder and Clark talk the talk but they are failing to walk the walk. Recently I read a report in which Clark stated whilst he is at the club no Norwich team would ever go out and play with less than 100% commitment and that they would not simply role over and die. Did he miss the 4 -0 maulings at Leicester and Coventry last season? I also saw very little fight and commitment yesterday from certain players.
We continually seem to play players out of position, excluding the 2 full backs that have filled in at centre back yesterday, during the season we have seen Russell up front, Bertrand on the left wing, Hoolihan on the right wing, Patterson on the right wing, Koroma on the left wing etc. Roeder specifically stated when he took over that he would not put round pegs in square holes but he continually does week in week out.

We have 4 loan strikers and have so far tried 6 players upfront ( Russell, Siberski, Lupoli, Koroma, Cureton, Lita). We knew at the end of the 2006/2007 that Dion Dublin would be retiring at the end of the 2007/2008 season. Surely this was ample time to get a target man replacement in but alas no. It appears that Roeder put all his eggs in one basket chasing Iverson as his replacement and when he failed to pull this deal off after it dragging on for months he was left on the last day of the transfer window scrabbling around for any sort of target man to play up front. Helguson from Bolton turned us down so at the 11th hour Roeder had to get Siberski in who is simply not a target man. He has played the majority of his career as an attacking midfielder and his goal scoring record clearly shows this.
We currently have 4 “small strikers” namely Lita, Lupoli, Cureton and Koroma. Small strikers need one of two things either a big target man to play off or a creative midfield who can pick early passes down the channels for the strikers to run on to. Unfortunately we have neither a target man nor a midfield that can pass it forward let alone pick creative early passes down the sides of the opposition centre backs. Yesterday on many occasions Lita wanted the ball early into the channels and we instead held onto the ball in midfield and took extra touches and shuffled the ball sideways. You can try as many strikers as you like but until you sort out either a target man or a creative midfielder the small strikers will fail to score regularly.

The Boardroom
Yesterday I heard an interview on Radio 5 live with the West Brom Chairman who stated that football has changed vastly over the last 5 years and that all clubs now need a very rich benefactor preferably a billionaire to bankroll the club. He stated that there are only a certain amount of these types about and that he touted West Brom around in the summer and they failed to get a single interested party despite them about to embark on a premiership season. Obviously I do not know what the exact situation is on the Carrow Road Boardroom but from were I stand it appears that our board and club have failed to move with the changing times of football. During the summer we were in the rare position of having a billionaire with an affiliation to the club show an interest and yet our board failed to even meet him face to face to discuss the potential of taking the club forward. The debate about Delia and whether she has been good or bad for the club can go on and on but it will not help the club. The board have to realise that they have taken us as far as they can and if we are ever to get back to the top half of the championship let alone the premiership we can’t afford to turn down people like Peter Cullum.

I believe there is a very cosy approach to everything at the club at the moment. This is reflected in Neil Doncaster’s role at the club. I do not believe it is in the best interest of the club to have the Chief Executive also as a Director of the club. Surely this is a conflict of interest?

The Media
I have become very frustrated with the way things are reported about Norwich City in the media. The EDP seems to an extension of the Carrow Road PR department. This is not in the best interests of the club either. Perhaps if the local media showed some balls and criticised the club when criticism is due it would help the club rather than paper over the cracks that are getting wider and wider.

Conclusion
NCFC is in terminal decline and urgent changes are needed. I am afraid we have not hit the bottom yet and I believe division one football is looming unless we readdress the situation very quickly. The approach at the moment appears very much to be turn a blind eye and paper over the cracks and somehow we will come out smelling of roses. Unfortunately this is no the case and the cracks will only get wider unless something is done.

Posted By: happy clappy hughes on October 5th 2008 at 10:38:01

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This post pretty much sums everything up perfectly.