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Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks:He also rejected criticism of the timing of the announcement, two days

after the final match of the season at Sheffield Wednesday, saying: ''''I

honestly don''t know what all the fuss is about.''''
I find this completely unbelievable, niave and quite frankly a little arrogant. He''s dismissing the passion of the fans who support a true NCFC legend who was here long before he was. The ''fuss'' is that there''s no reason whatsoever that we couldnt have been told in the days before the Sheff Wed game. Theres a million reasons why we werent told before QPR, assuming the decision had been made, and it was 100% the right thing to do to not discuss any players contract until the threat of relegation was gone.But to then not tell us and deprive Darren of what he truely deserved is disgusting treatment of a player who showed the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton, in the days of Cashley Cole, not too mention Dean Cashton and Robert Earnmore. Hucks had numerous chances to leave, and i think were all a little surprised he stayed around so long given how pathetic we have been since relegation from the Premiership.Dion had a tremendous send off, i for one travelled to Sheffield solely to say goodbye, and that was only my 2nd away game in 20 years, and with respect due to Dion, his level of send off isnt half as deserved as Darren''s should and would have been. Dion''s been here a season and a half and has done well for us, but Hucks...well we all know how important he has been to the club.Getting back to Roeder, he has showed he''s clearly out of touch with the Norwich City fans, and anymore of this disregard for fans opinions will soon turn out bad for him, cause in a longevity battle, there''s only ever going to be one winner. We''ll be here forever Glenn, we pay your wages, disregard our voice at your peril...

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[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks:

He also rejected criticism of the timing of the announcement, two days after the final match of the season at Sheffield Wednesday, saying: ''''I honestly don''t know what all the fuss is about.''''

I find this completely unbelievable, niave and quite frankly a little arrogant. He''s dismissing the passion of the fans who support a true NCFC legend who was here long before he was. The ''fuss'' is that there''s no reason whatsoever that we couldnt have been told in the days before the Sheff Wed game. Theres a million reasons why we werent told before QPR, assuming the decision had been made, and it was 100% the right thing to do to not discuss any players contract until the threat of relegation was gone.

But to then not tell us and deprive Darren of what he truely deserved is disgusting treatment of a player who showed the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton, in the days of Cashley Cole, not too mention Dean Cashton and Robert Earnmore. Hucks had numerous chances to leave, and i think were all a little surprised he stayed around so long given how pathetic we have been since relegation from the Premiership.

Dion had a tremendous send off, i for one travelled to Sheffield solely to say goodbye, and that was only my 2nd away game in 20 years, and with respect due to Dion, his level of send off isnt half as deserved as Darren''s should and would have been. Dion''s been here a season and a half and has done well for us, but Hucks...well we all know how important he has been to the club.

Getting back to Roeder, he has showed he''s clearly out of touch with the Norwich City fans, and anymore of this disregard for fans opinions will soon turn out bad for him, cause in a longevity battle, there''s only ever going to be one winner.

We''ll be here forever Glenn, we pay your wages, disregard our voice at your peril...

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Wow, do you pay Glenn''s wages? You must earn a lot. Can you lend me a few grand, my car''s crap....

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On another thread, Camulodonum who''s met Roeder a couple of times, says he''s not at all fan-focused.  But this is not just about the fans, it''s about football and its traditions.  If he could understand why Dion deserved such a sendoff it''s frankly disingenuous to claim that he doesn''t understand the fuss about Hucks.   

Hucks was deprived of a sendoff for a reason.  We don''t know what that reason was and probably never will. 

 

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Yeah, I watched the interview and when he was asked that, what he said and his tone of voice was quite rude.

I wont lose sleep because of it but that was an idiotic moment of his.

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[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks:

 the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton

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Matt Le God played his first game for Saints in 1986, and his last in 2002. Plus, Alex Ferguson is widely known to have made numerous offers to take him to the world''s biggest, and the country''s most succesful club.

Hardly the same thing, is it?

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[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks: the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton[/quote]

Matt Le God played his first game for Saints in 1986, and his last in 2002. Plus, Alex Ferguson is widely known to have made numerous offers to take him to the world''s biggest, and the country''s most succesful club.

Hardly the same thing, is it?

[/quote]Bloody hell - I know he is not a favoured figure round here at the moment with his "jack of all trades" role but Gunny was with us nearly a decade wasn''t he? or am i very much mistaken?

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[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks:

He also rejected criticism of the timing of the announcement, two days after the final match of the season at Sheffield Wednesday, saying: ''''I honestly don''t know what all the fuss is about.''''

I find this completely unbelievable, niave and quite frankly a little arrogant. He''s dismissing the passion of the fans who support a true NCFC legend who was here long before he was. The ''fuss'' is that there''s no reason whatsoever that we couldnt have been told in the days before the Sheff Wed game. Theres a million reasons why we werent told before QPR, assuming the decision had been made, and it was 100% the right thing to do to not discuss any players contract until the threat of relegation was gone.

But to then not tell us and deprive Darren of what he truely deserved is disgusting treatment of a player who showed the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton, in the days of Cashley Cole, not too mention Dean Cashton and Robert Earnmore. Hucks had numerous chances to leave, and i think were all a little surprised he stayed around so long given how pathetic we have been since relegation from the Premiership.

Dion had a tremendous send off, i for one travelled to Sheffield solely to say goodbye, and that was only my 2nd away game in 20 years, and with respect due to Dion, his level of send off isnt half as deserved as Darren''s should and would have been. Dion''s been here a season and a half and has done well for us, but Hucks...well we all know how important he has been to the club.

Getting back to Roeder, he has showed he''s clearly out of touch with the Norwich City fans, and anymore of this disregard for fans opinions will soon turn out bad for him, cause in a longevity battle, there''s only ever going to be one winner.

We''ll be here forever Glenn, we pay your wages, disregard our voice at your peril...

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Wow, do you pay Glenn''s wages? You must earn a lot. Can you lend me a few grand, my car''s crap....

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No, I think the Club Restaurant''s do.....

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[quote user="Mook"]

[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks:

He also rejected criticism of the timing of the announcement, two days after the final match of the season at Sheffield Wednesday, saying: ''''I honestly don''t know what all the fuss is about.''''

I find this completely unbelievable, niave and quite frankly a little arrogant. He''s dismissing the passion of the fans who support a true NCFC legend who was here long before he was. The ''fuss'' is that there''s no reason whatsoever that we couldnt have been told in the days before the Sheff Wed game. Theres a million reasons why we werent told before QPR, assuming the decision had been made, and it was 100% the right thing to do to not discuss any players contract until the threat of relegation was gone.

But to then not tell us and deprive Darren of what he truely deserved is disgusting treatment of a player who showed the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton, in the days of Cashley Cole, not too mention Dean Cashton and Robert Earnmore. Hucks had numerous chances to leave, and i think were all a little surprised he stayed around so long given how pathetic we have been since relegation from the Premiership.

Dion had a tremendous send off, i for one travelled to Sheffield solely to say goodbye, and that was only my 2nd away game in 20 years, and with respect due to Dion, his level of send off isnt half as deserved as Darren''s should and would have been. Dion''s been here a season and a half and has done well for us, but Hucks...well we all know how important he has been to the club.

Getting back to Roeder, he has showed he''s clearly out of touch with the Norwich City fans, and anymore of this disregard for fans opinions will soon turn out bad for him, cause in a longevity battle, there''s only ever going to be one winner.

We''ll be here forever Glenn, we pay your wages, disregard our voice at your peril...

[/quote]

Wow, do you pay Glenn''s wages? You must earn a lot. Can you lend me a few grand, my car''s crap....

[/quote]

My taxes dont pay for all the health service but i still expect it to be run right because i contribute.

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[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="Mook"]

[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks:

He also rejected criticism of the timing of the announcement, two days after the final match of the season at Sheffield Wednesday, saying: ''''I honestly don''t know what all the fuss is about.''''

I find this completely unbelievable, niave and quite frankly a little arrogant. He''s dismissing the passion of the fans who support a true NCFC legend who was here long before he was. The ''fuss'' is that there''s no reason whatsoever that we couldnt have been told in the days before the Sheff Wed game. Theres a million reasons why we werent told before QPR, assuming the decision had been made, and it was 100% the right thing to do to not discuss any players contract until the threat of relegation was gone.

But to then not tell us and deprive Darren of what he truely deserved is disgusting treatment of a player who showed the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton, in the days of Cashley Cole, not too mention Dean Cashton and Robert Earnmore. Hucks had numerous chances to leave, and i think were all a little surprised he stayed around so long given how pathetic we have been since relegation from the Premiership.

Dion had a tremendous send off, i for one travelled to Sheffield solely to say goodbye, and that was only my 2nd away game in 20 years, and with respect due to Dion, his level of send off isnt half as deserved as Darren''s should and would have been. Dion''s been here a season and a half and has done well for us, but Hucks...well we all know how important he has been to the club.

Getting back to Roeder, he has showed he''s clearly out of touch with the Norwich City fans, and anymore of this disregard for fans opinions will soon turn out bad for him, cause in a longevity battle, there''s only ever going to be one winner.

We''ll be here forever Glenn, we pay your wages, disregard our voice at your peril...

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Wow, do you pay Glenn''s wages? You must earn a lot. Can you lend me a few grand, my car''s crap....

[/quote]

No, I think the Club Restaurant''s do.....

[/quote]

Exactly. So if your £30 a week doesn''t pay somebody''s wages, it''s a good bloody job they set that restaurant up!!

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[quote user="Mook"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="Mook"]

[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks:

He also rejected criticism of the timing of the announcement, two days after the final match of the season at Sheffield Wednesday, saying: ''''I honestly don''t know what all the fuss is about.''''

I find this completely unbelievable, niave and quite frankly a little arrogant. He''s dismissing the passion of the fans who support a true NCFC legend who was here long before he was. The ''fuss'' is that there''s no reason whatsoever that we couldnt have been told in the days before the Sheff Wed game. Theres a million reasons why we werent told before QPR, assuming the decision had been made, and it was 100% the right thing to do to not discuss any players contract until the threat of relegation was gone.

But to then not tell us and deprive Darren of what he truely deserved is disgusting treatment of a player who showed the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton, in the days of Cashley Cole, not too mention Dean Cashton and Robert Earnmore. Hucks had numerous chances to leave, and i think were all a little surprised he stayed around so long given how pathetic we have been since relegation from the Premiership.

Dion had a tremendous send off, i for one travelled to Sheffield solely to say goodbye, and that was only my 2nd away game in 20 years, and with respect due to Dion, his level of send off isnt half as deserved as Darren''s should and would have been. Dion''s been here a season and a half and has done well for us, but Hucks...well we all know how important he has been to the club.

Getting back to Roeder, he has showed he''s clearly out of touch with the Norwich City fans, and anymore of this disregard for fans opinions will soon turn out bad for him, cause in a longevity battle, there''s only ever going to be one winner.

We''ll be here forever Glenn, we pay your wages, disregard our voice at your peril...

[/quote]

Wow, do you pay Glenn''s wages? You must earn a lot. Can you lend me a few grand, my car''s crap....

[/quote]

No, I think the Club Restaurant''s do.....

[/quote]

Exactly. So if your £30 a week doesn''t pay somebody''s wages, it''s a good bloody job they set that restaurant up!!

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I don''t actually use the restyrunts.....do you? I don''t think £400,000 per year profit, will pay his entire annual salary. Maybe it''s the car-showroom then? I wonder where the money is coming from to subsidise the poor response to the Greatest Ever ''thingy''.....A donation from the Chief Exec and Eventguard staff?

 

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Spot on Barclayman, if he''s going to have little respect for the fans then the going will be tough for him if things don''t go to plan.

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[quote user="cityangel"]Spot on Barclayman, if he''s going to have little respect for the fans then the going will be tough for him if things don''t go to plan.[/quote]I think we are well aware that i am a Roeder fan by now. I would like to draw your attention to the press conference today where he said something along the lines of (cant be bothered to look for exact quote - its on waghorn) "I am looking to sign new players that i think the fans will like, and who can drive us to the premier league."

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Kick it Off

We''re well aware you''re a fan of Roeder. But you''ve got to realise that despite how good a job he has done up to now, he screwed up the manner in which Huckerby was released. He deserves criticism for that. Of course it is rediculous to suggest it was a sackable offence to do what he did, particularly after the success he had last season since taking over, and whilst I know you have never said this, I want you to appreciate the fact that people can still criticise him for the way in which he screwed up releasing Huckerby. I don''t mind that he did release him, and his reasons are logical, and most fans will accept them. But it was the manner in which he did which has upset so many fans. And it would be good for him to learn from this experience. He has given a good account of himself in his press conference, but he still fails to acknowledge he screwed up in the way he (or the club) managed the annoucement. I hope someone at the club is man enough to come out and apologise.

Of course we''ll all get behind Roeder for next season, and this error will quickly be forgotten if we get off to a good start. A bad start however, and it could be another matter from some quarters.

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Of course we''ll all get behind Roeder for next season

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Will we? Some people have already made up their minds. And without wishing to point fingers, there is a lot of fans on this message board that need their ego to be massaged by the manager of their football team. Why does he need to do everything that we ask? Can''t he go about things his own way?

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Well I was speaking mainly for myself Mook when I put in the "we''ll all get behind Roeder for next season". But what I suspect is that whilst a lot of fans, including me , are angry over the Huckerby situation, by the start of the season a lot of new players will be here and, in part, to use an old phrase, "what''s out of sight will be out of mind", and most fans will get behind the team and be excited with new hope for what beckons. It''ll be when things start going badly, should they, and say our new left winger (whoever he might be) is playing poorly, then things will get ugly.

And as you asked, Roeder can go about his business in anyway he likes, but he needs to realise that if things don''t go his way on the pitch, it''s useful to have the fans on his side. The way Huckerby was released has alienated a lot of fans, and he has put himself under unnecessary pressure now. He is perfectly in his rights to do so, but I question the wisdom of how he did it. That is all.

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Very weel put mate, kick it off seems to think that because HE thinks Roeader is great that we should not be allowed to say nasty things about him.....we dont want the man killed we want him to apologise for the manner in which he has released a hero for many fans.

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[quote user="Mook"][quote user="Canary Poirot"]

Of course we''ll all get behind Roeder for next season

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Will we? Some people have already made up their minds. And without wishing to point fingers, there is a lot of fans on this message board that need their ego to be massaged by the manager of their football team. Why does he need to do everything that we ask? Can''t he go about things his own way?

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"Yes, that''s it Glenn...knead just under the knotted right shoulder-blade..... Now, can you just rub my calves as they''re feeling ''a bit tight''........("A bit like Doncaster and the NCFC board then", muttered Glenn...''snigger'').....Then Glenn, you may move onto my head - and massage my gargantuan ego muscle, and you''ll require both hands".....[8-|]

Well, I''ll give Glenn time, and see where we are in October, before I sack him......(As a masseur manager).

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judging roedy from the ncisa meeting earlier this year - he clearly doesn''t suffer fools gladly - or have much time for players with ego''s.  nor did he appear able to  accept  he makes mistakes.   he pointedly refuted the claim by a questioner that maybe playing young loanees had upset the applecart and curtailed our winning run.  he said he picked his team on merit alone and was clear on that...i doubt if many in the room believed it imo.so - roedy is looking to tough it out and his latest comments don''t surprise.  but the fact hucks didn''t get a send-off showed he must have peed off key figures in the club.  his treatment by NCFC looks personal - even if the choice to let him go was professional.  imo - the latter is roedy''s responsibility - the former is delia''s and the chief exec.  so make your own mind up.this sorry affair has the hallmarks of malky''s exit written all over it.  players who bled yella and green - but were bombed out for maybe upsetting the NCFC junta.  but NCFC comes forst here, and we must all put it behind us now, and look forward - make no mistake,  this season is a big, big season for us.  with so many comings and goings, theirs a huge margin for error built in - and we don''t want 2008/9 ending in tears!?>

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[quote user="kick it off"][quote user="cityangel"]Spot on Barclayman, if he''s going to have little respect for the fans then the going will be tough for him if things don''t go to plan.[/quote]

I think we are well aware that i am a Roeder fan by now. I would like to draw your attention to the press conference today where he said something along the lines of (cant be bothered to look for exact quote - its on waghorn) "I am looking to sign new players that i think the fans will like, and who can drive us to the premier league."
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I think you just made this quote up didnt you?

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Kick it Off

We''re well aware you''re a fan of Roeder. But you''ve got to realise that despite how good a job he has done up to now, he screwed up the manner in which Huckerby was released. He deserves criticism for that. Of course it is rediculous to suggest it was a sackable offence to do what he did, particularly after the success he had last season since taking over, and whilst I know you have never said this, I want you to appreciate the fact that people can still criticise him for the way in which he screwed up releasing Huckerby. I don''t mind that he did release him, and his reasons are logical, and most fans will accept them. But it was the manner in which he did which has upset so many fans. And it would be good for him to learn from this experience. He has given a good account of himself in his press conference, but he still fails to acknowledge he screwed up in the way he (or the club) managed the annoucement. I hope someone at the club is man enough to come out and apologise.

Of course we''ll all get behind Roeder for next season, and this error will quickly be forgotten if we get off to a good start. A bad start however, and it could be another matter from some quarters.

[/quote]I have posted numerous times on the subject - and i am not very impressed with the way the departure was handled; at the end of the day though, that''s life - its the hysteria and over-reaction i object to, not the sentiments, which i actually agree with.

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[quote user="WrightyBoy"]Very weel put mate, kick it off seems to think that because HE thinks Roeader is great that we should not be allowed to say nasty things about him.....we dont want the man killed we want him to apologise for the manner in which he has released a hero for many fans.[/quote]Ummmm no, stop twisting my words.I think Roeder is a good manager - and i think he is open to criticism as anyone is. What i object to is the ridiculously childish "Sack Roeder" sentiments expressed by you amongst others and the level of personal abuse levelled at him purely because he didn''t tell you he was releasing Hucks before he did it. Yes it wasn''t the best handling of the situation, and yes i am not happy with it, i am just not immature enough to let sentimentality rule over logic with regard to what would have been lets face it, a pointless excercise of Hucks walking round the pitch while we sang "oh huckerby....".I have never said Roeder is above criticism, I just think this whole hysteria is ridiculous, especially after saving us with a bunch of no-hopers and a few loanees.

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[quote user="kick it off"][quote user="cityangel"]Spot on Barclayman, if he''s going to have little respect for the fans then the going will be tough for him if things don''t go to plan.[/quote]I think we are well aware that i am a Roeder fan by now. I would like to draw your attention to the press conference today where he said something along the lines of (cant be bothered to look for exact quote - its on waghorn) "I am looking to sign new players that i think the fans will like, and who can drive us to the premier league."[/quote]

 

I think you just made this quote up didnt you?

[/quote]Ummmm the official site says i didn''t. "As far as I am concerned after a very difficult six months, it is

exciting times certainly for me and that is how I feel about attacking

the next couple of months and bringing in new players that I hope our

supporters will like. Hopefully amongst those new players, there are a

few new heroes to worship."http://www.canaries.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~1309542,00.htmlMuppet.

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Agreed mate, he is starting to come over as pretty arrogant, for all the talent that he brought to bear to keep us up. By the way got a reply from MR Doncaster after me email, with a phone number to give him a call! If he manages to persuade me that prudence is good for the club then someone please shoot me.

 

ps - sorry for nicking your handle on here, have used it for years on ebay, thought it would be rejected if already in use!

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I think this has been blown way out of proportion BUT I don''t like the way Roeder has handled this publicly at all.  He has done a super job but clearly at times some of his man management does leave a little bit to be desired.  Clearly if Hux is not being retained for a year in the Champs, he was never going to be retained in league one and it really wouldn''t have hurt to let the fans give him an ovation after the last game.  Being popular with the fans and being successful are not mutually exclusive and it seems Roeder has bought himself  some bad will for next season amongst some (not me) secions of the fans.  Not a good way to start a season.

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[quote user="Barclayman"]Roeder''s comments on the fan backlash of Hucks: the most loyalty to a club ive seen since Matt Le Tissier at Southampton[/quote]

Matt Le God played his first game for Saints in 1986, and his last in 2002. Plus, Alex Ferguson is widely known to have made numerous offers to take him to the world''s biggest, and the country''s most succesful club.

Hardly the same thing, is it?

[/quote]What?Mook i ignored your first pathetic post but this one deserves a retort. At what point did i say that Hucks service and loyalty was exactly the same as Le Tissier''s? My point is that he has shown the most loyalty to a club that i have seen since Le Tiss. Im not saying its the same, just that i cant think of anyone else, apart of course Le Tiss who has showed the most loyalty to a club, notwithstanding my die hard NCFC support. Im sure their must be similar players out there at clubs.If you cant understand my meaning then dont post on things your little brain cant process.

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Well I was speaking mainly for myself Mook when I put in the "we''ll all get behind Roeder for next season". But what I suspect is that whilst a lot of fans, including me , are angry over the Huckerby situation, by the start of the season a lot of new players will be here and, in part, to use an old phrase, "what''s out of sight will be out of mind", and most fans will get behind the team and be excited with new hope for what beckons. It''ll be when things start going badly, should they, and say our new left winger (whoever he might be) is playing poorly, then things will get ugly.

And as you asked, Roeder can go about his business in anyway he likes, but he needs to realise that if things don''t go his way on the pitch, it''s useful to have the fans on his side. The way Huckerby was released has alienated a lot of fans, and he has put himself under unnecessary pressure now. He is perfectly in his rights to do so, but I question the wisdom of how he did it. That is all.

[/quote]I wonder...Whoever comes in on the left wing, do people think he''ll have a hard time? Not only has he got to impress his new manager, and replace Darren Huckerby no less, he''s got to win over the fans. Its going to be a very hard job for the new left winger, especially if we falter, he may be made a scapegoat who can do nothing right...

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Agreed mate, he is starting to come over as pretty arrogant, for all the talent that he brought to bear to keep us up. By the way got a reply from MR Doncaster after me email, with a phone number to give him a call! If he manages to persuade me that prudence is good for the club then someone please shoot me.

 

ps - sorry for nicking your handle on here, have used it for years on ebay, thought it would be rejected if already in use!

[/quote]not at all BB, when i first joined there was already a Barclay Boy so i changed to ''man''...I was a ''boy'' for a week so you better track down the original Barclay Boy!!Whats this about Doomcaster''s email reply? what did u ask him?

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There isn''t a manager in the country who doesn''t need the fans behind him in order to keep his job. Roeder has lost some of the fans with the way he has sacked Huckerby. Handled differently he could have managed Huck''s departure as a glorious goodbye instead of this unpleasent episode. It was so unnecessary!

Careful Glen, this is not the right way to building a focused team, of which a united fan base is a vital part.

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