Ashton to United? (Manchester, that is)

[Hackney Canary 0]

Sky Sports are reporting that Man Utd have tabled a £10m bid for Deano. I can''t imagine the Hammers would accept that - although I''m sure they would accept £15m - but the point of the thread is to ask whether we have a sell-on clause - or did that get lost in the Robert Green transfer saga?

[Syteanric 1]

i think we wrote that off as part of the Greeno transfer.

If i was Wet sham id bite Utds arm off for that!

jas :)

[GJP 79]

Don''t know about the transfer clauses but me thinks West Ham would be fairly keen to sell. Deano is obviously a quality player but he''s injury prone and Curbs might prefer to buy someone who he can rely on.

[BigFish 2,282]

Can''t see him getting in the team, myseslf.

[whoareyou? 0]

He''ll be a bit part player wherever he goes with his injury history. Useful sub to have around though if you are ManUre.

[Big Yellow 0]

[quote user="BigFish"]Can''t see him getting in the team, myseslf.[/quote]

I could, did you see the goal he scored against United? It was an amazing overhead kick.

[Sing Up The South Stand 0]

The one on Sunday was fantastic too.

 

 

[Duffman 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

i think we wrote that off as part of the Greeno transfer.

If i was Wet sham id bite Utds arm off for that!

jas :)

[/quote]Why would we write off a clause when we sell them another player?   If we''d brought a player off them I would say thats possible but surely not even our board would agree to waive the Ashton sell on as part of selling them another player.Am I missing something really obvious here?

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Duffman"][quote user="jas the barclay king"]

i think we wrote that off as part of the Greeno transfer.

If i was Wet sham id bite Utds arm off for that!

jas :)

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Why would we write off a clause when we sell them another player?   If we''d brought a player off them I would say thats possible but surely not even our board would agree to waive the Ashton sell on as part of selling them another player.

Am I missing something really obvious here?
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infact it might of been when we appointed P G as manager

jas :)

[Pete Raven 276]

As I understand it the only clause that has been waived is Ashton''s international appearance fee - it being reduced from £125k to £25k. I''d be very surprised if the sell-on clauses for either Green or Ashton have been removed.

[can u sit down please 0]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]As I understand it the only clause that has been waived is Ashton''s international appearance fee - it being reduced from £125k to £25k. I''d be very surprised if the sell-on clauses for either Green or Ashton have been removed.[/quote]

Didnt something get removed in the deal for Peter Grant?

[Pete Raven 276]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]As I understand it the only clause that has been waived is Ashton''s international appearance fee - it being reduced from £125k to £25k. I''d be very surprised if the sell-on clauses for either Green or Ashton have been removed.[/quote]

Didnt something get removed in the deal for Peter Grant?

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Yes, part of the Ashton international appearance clause.

[Duffman 0]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]As I understand it the only clause that has been waived is Ashton''s international appearance fee - it being reduced from £125k to £25k. I''d be very surprised if the sell-on clauses for either Green or Ashton have been removed.[/quote]That was my understanding too.So the next question is, do we get a % based on the total fee or the money WHU have made i.e. 3 million if the transfer is 10 million.Also what is the %.......so many questions

[blahblahblah 2]

BBC Sport says it''s 15%, with an extra 125,000 for getting into Europe (paid), and 125,000 for his first cap (not paid yet ?)

 

[Destort 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]As I understand it the only clause that has been waived is Ashton''s international appearance fee - it being reduced from £125k to £25k. I''d be very surprised if the sell-on clauses for either Green or Ashton have been removed.[/quote]

Didnt something get removed in the deal for Peter Grant?

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Wow what a deal.. We get Grant and a reduced sell on clause. Amazing piece of business!

[Destort 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]As I understand it the only clause that has been waived is Ashton''s international appearance fee - it being reduced from £125k to £25k. I''d be very surprised if the sell-on clauses for either Green or Ashton have been removed.[/quote]

Didnt something get removed in the deal for Peter Grant?

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Wow what a deal.. We get Grant and a reduced sell on clause. Amazing piece of business!

[Hackney Canary 0]

Well, if it is 15% of, say £7m (taking £10m as the minimum fee, minus the £3m they paid in the 1st place) that makes £1.05m (less tax - does tax come into it?) - not a bad amount to go into the kitty... And if the final fee does prove to be £15m, that''s £1.8m for uncle Glenn to use to buy back a bit of affection from the crowd...

Of course, it remains pie in the sky until any deal has been done, but it''s always nice to speculate...

[Robert N. LiM 6,292]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]

Didnt something get removed in the deal for Peter Grant?

[/quote]I think it was the brains of the selection panel who hired him. They had to leave them in a bucket at the door.

[DDD In The Fine City 1]

[quote user="Ackney Canary"]

Well, if it is 15% of, say £7m (taking £10m as the minimum fee, minus the £3m they paid in the 1st place) that makes £1.05m (less tax - does tax come into it?) - not a bad amount to go into the kitty... And if the final fee does prove to be £15m, that''s £1.8m for uncle Glenn to use to buy back a bit of affection from the crowd...

Of course, it remains pie in the sky until any deal has been done, but it''s always nice to speculate...

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it would be 15% of anything after the 7.25 or whatever they paid us

[Houston Canary 0]

Didnt something get removed in the deal for Peter Grant? - can u sit down please

Yes, something got removed - any chance of Norwich appearing in the Prem any time soon.

[NegativeVibes 0]

15% out of any profit, wow!!! How lucky are we.

[Shack Attack 0]

Can''t see Ashton fitting Lord Purplenoses latest system with the three rotating strikers, he''s not quick enough. Maybe he''ll end up at Chelsea if Drogba leaves? He needs a a good 12-18 months injury free to get into top shape and then I think he''ll become an England regular.It seems that Curbishley needs to sell before he can buy so any big offer might see him move. According to various recent report West Ham have a massive wage bill which needs cutting fairly sharpish. They offered Ljungberg a £3million pay off to get his £75,000 a week wages off the books and by all accounts one of the reasons why Eggert Magnussen (sp?) was relieved of his duties was because he was a little too keen to hand out wage increases.

[Buncey 1]

Ashton would fit man u perfectly. I think ashton needs to step up from west ham, just like he had to step up from us. I hate to say it but if ashton went to man u, i might just start not booing them everytime they win.

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Fellas"]Ashton would fit man u perfectly.[/quote]Just out of interest Fellas, why do you think that? I''m not having a go, just can''t see him fitting into their system myself.

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Fellas"]Ashton would fit man u perfectly.[/quote]Just out of interest Fellas, why do you think that? I''m not having a go, just can''t see him fitting into their system myself.[/quote]No it''s fine to ask, everyone has opinions. I generally think Man U really need an actual striker/forward to lead the line. Currently Man U are superb on the break and in one-on-one situations but they lack height for crosses and direct style play. Ashton would add another dimension to their game. Not only can he act as the striker and target they need up front but he is superb on the floor with his distrobution and being able to play direct to him with his ability to place the ball to the likes of tevez, rooney and ronaldo would make them very formiable. To be honest I though wenger might have bought him at the start of the season (if he wasn''t injured) but in adebayor they have found a player of the same type and pedigree. Currently I think ashton is a bit unfit, a bit overweight and slow but mr. furgeson has a great knack of getting players to reach the 100% (ala carrick and hardgreaves this season). I really think Ashton is a special player, and the most talented player I''ve seen at this club in my 11 or so years of going to matches.

[Wembley_Canary 0]

Ashton is a quality player but I don''t think a move to Man United would be in his best interest, as good as Deano is yets not kid ourself, he''s no Tevez or Rooney and those two have paired up really well this season so I don''t think Sir Alex will want to disturb that partnership too much next season, and that''s why I can''t see him being anything more than a bench player who can come on late in the game to give United another option upfront.

Might do his bank balance a favour or two but wont help his International chances or development as a player.

 

 

[Buncey 1]

I have to disagree. There has been major linking today between man u and ashton and luis fabiano. Then again you could argue that neither is no tevez or rooney. But then again carrick was no scholes and. Furgeson is a smart guy and I can see other teams calling their number (like teams have done to arsenal and liverpool) if he doesn''t mix things up.

[Wembley_Canary 0]

[quote user="Fellas"]I have to disagree. There has been major linking today between man u and ashton and luis fabiano. Then again you could argue that neither is no tevez or rooney. But then again carrick was no scholes and. Furgeson is a smart guy and I can see other teams calling their number (like teams have done to arsenal and liverpool) if he doesn''t mix things up.
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I think it''s different with Carrick though, he is a very different player to Scholes, Scholes is the much more attacking CM player, where as Carrick plays the holding role in the heart of United''s midfield, (takeing over from Roy Keane) and that''s why they pair up so well. Tevez and Rooney pair up very well together and proably have a combined value of 50m, you can''t leave that kind of talent out and to be honest I don''t think either Tevez or Rooney would stay at United for too long if they weren''t getting enough first team action... It could be Peter Crouch all over again if Ashton joins United

 

 

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="West_London_Canary"]

[quote user="Fellas"]I have to disagree. There has been major linking today between man u and ashton and luis fabiano. Then again you could argue that neither is no tevez or rooney. But then again carrick was no scholes and. Furgeson is a smart guy and I can see other teams calling their number (like teams have done to arsenal and liverpool) if he doesn''t mix things up.[/quote]

 

I think it''s different with Carrick though, he is a very different player to Scholes, Scholes is the much more attacking CM player, where as Carrick plays the holding role in the heart of United''s midfield, (takeing over from Roy Keane) and that''s why they pair up so well. Tevez and Rooney pair up very well together and proably have a combined value of 50m, you can''t leave that kind of talent out and to be honest I don''t think either Tevez or Rooney would stay at United for too long if they weren''t getting enough first team action... It could be Peter Crouch all over again if Ashton joins United

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Nope I don''t think it will. My point alluding to carrick and scholes was that carrick, before he went to man u, was nowhere near the standard he is now. Ashton will only improve with age and playing with and around better players. Man U need a centre forward. I wouldn''t be suprised if furgeson ends up playing 442 again with either rooney dropping wide and ronaldo wide or tevez dropping behind rooney and a striker. Like I said before, just because that means they have 3 "strikers" rooney and tevez are both un-conventional strikers who like to play off somebody. Currently they have nobody to play off and this season as the a group of 3, they have just been good enough to walk it by themselves but in future I would expect teams to employ 5 in the middle and mark out all 3 of them. Same thing happened with arsenal and their trinity of henry, pires and ljunberg. Sometimes you have to chance things about even if it means players are left out. You also have to remember how many games they play in a season, a lot. Rooney has been injured for quite a few matches. Tevez didn''t start often at the beginning of the season. Currently Saha is not good enough for furgeson to us in rotation. Peter crouch eh? Well since he''s joined liverpool things have only gone up for the lad.

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Fellas"]
No it''s fine to ask, everyone has opinions. I generally think Man U really need an actual striker/forward to lead the line. Currently Man U are superb on the break and in one-on-one situations but they lack height for crosses and direct style play. Ashton would add another dimension to their game. Not only can he act as the striker and target they need up front but he is superb on the floor with his distrobution and being able to play direct to him with his ability to place the ball to the likes of tevez, rooney and ronaldo would make them very formiable. To be honest I though wenger might have bought him at the start of the season (if he wasn''t injured) but in adebayor they have found a player of the same type and pedigree.

Currently I think ashton is a bit unfit, a bit overweight and slow but mr. furgeson has a great knack of getting players to reach the 100% (ala carrick and hardgreaves this season). I really think Ashton is a special player, and the most talented player I''ve seen at this club in my 11 or so years of going to matches.
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Cheers Fellas, I see your point but not having a traditional centre forward to lead the line doesn''t seem to have done them too much harm this season!

The thing with Uniteds latest system is that they have three forwards who can play anywhere in the final third and are continually rotating. So sometimes you get Ronaldo up front with Rooney and Tevez on the wings and the next minute Rooney has moved into the centre and the other two are providing the width. I guess that the thinking behind such a system is that it makes it difficult to assign a man marker to Uniteds most dangerous players as you never know where they are going to pop up next. As good a player as Ashton is, and I rate him very highly, I can''t see him fitting that system as he prefers to play straight through the middle. I think Fabio Capello was trying a similar system in the recent friendly with France with Gerrard, Joe Cole and Rooney as the front three. Unfortunately Gerrard isn''t as good as Ronaldo and Joe Cole doesn''t have the work rate of Tevez so it didn''t really work.