Midlands Yellow 4,118 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Some boys were on big wages last time out in the PL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,390 Posted January 23 Sheff Wed can't be right, surely? In fact, we're really coy about any financial details so where is this even gathered from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,873 Posted January 23 Just now, Google Bot said: Sheff Wed can't be right, surely? In fact, we're really coy about any financial details so where is this even gathered from? It's been floating around for a while. Not too sure of the sauce but does seem somewhat accurate, even if you should take it with a little pinch of salt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 516 Posted January 23 19 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: It's been floating around for a while. Not too sure of the sauce but does seem somewhat accurate, even if you should take it with a little pinch of salt Be careful with your 'sauce'. The Source is probably fairly sound. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,329 Posted January 23 Ours looks too low? Accounts shows our staff costs just under £48m to 30/06/23. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 516 Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said: Ours looks too low? Accounts shows our staff costs just under £48m to 30/06/23. The £48 million unlike the £24 million includes all non first team staff wages. Probably reductions of £10 million or so comparing last season to this representing reduced parachute money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,503 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said: Ours looks too low? Accounts shows our staff costs just under £48m to 30/06/23. I expected the clubs total staff costs to fall to around £35m this season, but is the above just for 1st team playing squads exclusive of NI and pension? As CC has admitted he has no idea of the source of this data or any explanation of what the amounts quoted are for (it's just a list - come on @cambridgeshire canary you must work harder). What if it was a leak of the information provided to the EFL of player's contracts, which would focus just on 1st team named playing squads gross salary. Then that figure wouldn't be too far out. For 25 named squad players this is an average of £18.6K per week per player (or £1m per annum), which is reasonable for a mid-table Chumps team with ambitions of the play-offs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 282 Posted January 23 The figure doesnt seem hugely out v. In a league usually shaped by finances this confirms how far we have underperformed this season. Wagner and the players do have time to put it right and get us to the playoffs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 516 Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, ZLF said: The figure doesnt seem hugely out v. In a league usually shaped by finances this confirms how far we have underperformed this season. Wagner and the players do have time to put it right and get us to the playoffs... Probably a good deal better than the 2 previous seasons to be fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 So almost a year before clubs publish their annual accounts, someone has managed to find out what is usually relatively confidential information. I'm sure however that Cambs will add a source to these claims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 The binners - £13, 278,000 whereas elsewhere the official figures were "The overall wage bill was up from £13.9 million in the year to 2021 to £16.4 million" So despite promotion and the obvious increase in wages, the binners are paying almost 25% less this season ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,503 Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, RobJames said: The binners - £13, 278,000 whereas elsewhere the official figures were "The overall wage bill was up from £13.9 million in the year to 2021 to £16.4 million" So despite promotion and the obvious increase in wages, the binners are paying almost 25% less this season ? As I have mentioned, what does the list represent - the gross salary costs exclusive of NI and pension of just the 1st team named playing squad? That could work. But it certainly isn't as you note the total wage bill. That is just fanciful. Just wish people would name their sources! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 It is just some idiot making up stuff so as to appear in 'the know' and a fellow idiot desperate for attention. Are we to take it the City figure factors in the departures of Hwang and Forshaw ? Or perhaps the loans of Springett and Warner ? Are bonuses, appearance payments etc included > What happens if we sign a player(s) ? That is why any wage bill is only known after the season is over, and released as part of the clubs accounts. For City, that is Nov/Dec after the season ending the June prior to that date. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 5,061 Posted January 23 28 minutes ago, RobJames said: It is just some idiot making up stuff so as to appear in 'the know' and a fellow idiot desperate for attention. Are we to take it the City figure factors in the departures of Hwang and Forshaw ? Or perhaps the loans of Springett and Warner ? Are bonuses, appearance payments etc included > What happens if we sign a player(s) ? That is why any wage bill is only known after the season is over, and released as part of the clubs accounts. For City, that is Nov/Dec after the season ending the June prior to that date. Are you really suggesting this is the figment of someone's imagination? What a source!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,705 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: It's been floating around for a while. Not too sure of the sauce but does seem somewhat accurate, even if you should take it with a little pinch of salt Looks like a few teams will be playing ketchup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 968 Posted January 23 22 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: Are you really suggesting this is the figment of someone's imagination? What a source!! Either that or they've just taken the salaries from FM and assumed they're accurate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,705 Posted January 23 This is clearly ****, nobody knows as accounts won't have been released at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 It's such an obvious made up list. You would not need to think for more than a second or two to realise why it is wrong. What next from 'scoop' Cambs ? Championship total attendances, 2023/24 ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,390 Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, ZLF said: The figure doesnt seem hugely out v. In a league usually shaped by finances this confirms how far we have underperformed this season. The underperforming came directly from injuries sustained to key players, we can't just cut their pay to make charts like this look nice. It's no surprise to see us doing better with Sainz, Sarge, Gunn, Sara, Barnes, Rowe etc. all in the same team - That's what those wages go into. Edited January 23 by Google Bot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,136 Posted January 23 I doubt the numbers are correct, but I'd be willing to bet heavily that the top 5 and the order are correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,817 Posted January 23 The numbers come from Capology and weirdly the one's being shared are from October 2023 and not even their later revised figures. Either way, to give you an idea of how reliable they are, here's how much faith Capology put into their own numbers: Quote All salary figures are estimates as actual salaries may vary. Unverified players are calculated using algorithms, or sourced from reporting that has not been confirmed yet. Coverage may be limited or incomplete. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,227 Posted January 23 I suggest the order might well be about correct, but the amounts could well be off the mark. How could they get that information with so much precision? Another thought was that I hope (some) ITFC players see that list and start knocking on the manager's door for more dosh or start getting their agents to look for more lucrative pastures. It would stretch the borrowing resolve of the three musketeers and might make the pension fund behind them think more seriously about investing in the English game of soccer, especially as they continue to drop in the Chumps pecking order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 They don't know, it is as simple as that. A couple of seconds thought would tell you that with the numerous variables involved, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to know the real figure. How does anyone know in advance who will be sold/moved on and who will be signed in January. How can it be known what bonus payments will be triggered. Even with access to the accounts, many clubs simply put out a figure listed as staff costs. So you cannot separate the playing from the non-playing staff. As stated, it is the same poor chap who is always so desperate to be in the know. Perhaps who could get a job with SqawkNorwichCity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 516 Posted January 23 There will be far more variations from Club to Club on first team squad costs relative to the remainder. Of course there will be, and need to be, variations in interpretation which means these numbers cannot be strictly comparable to the nearest £"000. Nonetheless still a belief that in terms of £ millions these figures are ball park believable when considered alongside Companies House returns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, essex canary said: There will be far more variations from Club to Club on first team squad costs relative to the remainder. Of course there will be, and need to be, variations in interpretation which means these numbers cannot be strictly comparable to the nearest £"000. Nonetheless still a belief that in terms of £ millions these figures are ball park believable when considered alongside Companies House returns. What tosh, if only that clubs account often list every thing under a catch-all 'staff wages'. I doubt most are even close to the nearest £3m. And these are supposed figures for a season that is barely halfway through. How do they stack up if a club like City sold Rowe for £30m and then spent that money on three high wage PL players ? Or a club sells a coupe of it's highest wage players ? What Cambs claimed was that these were the actual figurse, not something close-ish. But spot on, so no back tracking. These are inaccurate claims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,136 Posted January 23 2 hours ago, RobJames said: What tosh, if only that clubs account often list every thing under a catch-all 'staff wages'. I doubt most are even close to the nearest £3m. And these are supposed figures for a season that is barely halfway through. How do they stack up if a club like City sold Rowe for £30m and then spent that money on three high wage PL players ? Or a club sells a coupe of it's highest wage players ? What Cambs claimed was that these were the actual figurse, not something close-ish. But spot on, so no back tracking. These are inaccurate claims. Gun to your head, shot dead if you're wrong, who are you saying has the 4th highest wage bill in the Championship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 968 Posted January 23 The latest figures from capology, with the gree tick being "verified".... Does not make me believe them any better... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, canarydan23 said: Gun to your head, shot dead if you're wrong, who are you saying has the 4th highest wage bill in the Championship? I am not. Nobody knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 905 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, cornish sam said: The latest figures from capology, with the gree tick being "verified".... Does not make me believe them any better... Verified, by whom ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
