Furlough

[duke63 542]

Furlough money was to keep staff employed.

Had the club not received it its likely many of them would have been made redundant.

It wasn't free cash.

[Ward 3 372]

7 hours ago, Canaries north said:

Not sure how everyone else feels about this but it does upset me that we have taken £1.7 million in furlough from the government. I feel on promotion we should not have just stopped taking it we should have paid it back. I believe no other premier League team took it after a backlash. I also know Watford didn't take any and gave over their ground to the hospital next door providing free food and washing facilities plus staffing costing them nearly 500 thousand pounds. I only know this because a Watford friend keeps going on about it. Not sure if Brentford claimed any. I know we are not a rich club but if we can get promoted and spend £10 million on individual players can we not pay that back. It's a moral thing for me. What does everyone else think?

 

Pay it back

[Commonsense 626]

2 hours ago, Chelm Canary said:

I'm firmly in the corner of that money should be repaid. 

I was disappointed we went with the furlough option in the first place. 

I know the furlough scheme offered 80%. Doesn't anybody know if the club topped it up to 100%? A lot of companies did this.

Yes they did. This was clearly stated at the time.

[yellow_belly 226]

I totally agree that this is morally corrupt. We have money in the bank and should repay this loan back to the nation.

[yellow_belly 226]

This is my thoughts from earlier today…

 

 

Reading through, and listening to, details regarding the latest accounts.

It seems to me that the socialist two from Suffolk have taken £££s from the normal tax payer re Furlough but have posted millions in profits whilst investing in the training ground etc.

I would respect the owners and club more if they paid back this furlough money.

With today being Budget Day, businesses like NCFC will cost normal people a lot of money from their household budgets.

I think this is scandalous. Obviously many on here will disagree. But it stinks. 

 

 

[Canaries north 151]

From the looks of things the vast majority, or at least the vast majority on here would like to see the club pay the money back. The problem is how do we convey this message to the board?  I am just a supporter who attends the odd game now and then. Do we have any fan meetings with the board?

[Norfolk Dan 308]

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I refer you to the Richard Bacon thread in the non football section 

Thank you..  I have contributed....

[hogesar 9,682]

Trying not to laugh that some of the posters on this thread arguing moral outrage for us taking Furlough money also saw no problem and looked on in envy at the Saudi takeover of Newcastle.

[yellow_belly 226]

Hog you are a twit. 

[Commonsense 626]

55 minutes ago, yellow_belly said:

Hog you are a twit. 

No he’s a realist. There are a number of posters on here who would take any form of dodgy money from the Middle East, China , Russia etc, yet when the club sensibly uses an above the board system and publishes the details they are disgusting socialists.  If we had purchased players and not sold Emi, we wouldn’t have made a profit so there would have been no room for your sanctimonious whinging. Would that have been a better solution morally then?

[Duncan Edwards 2,237]

7 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

No he’s a realist. There are a number of posters on here who would take any form of dodgy money from the Middle East, China , Russia etc, yet when the club sensibly uses an above the board system and publishes the details they are disgusting socialists.  If we had purchased players and not sold Emi, we wouldn’t have made a profit so there would have been no room for your sanctimonious whinging. Would that have been a better solution morally then?

Some might argue that the least moral thing the club could do with the furlough money would be to return it to a government so committed to cronyism and corruption.

They’d probably just give it to the landlord of Matt Hancock’s local. 

[Canaries north 151]

Let's just say at this moment in time the furlough money is something we could deal with as a club. The Newcastle ownership is something we can not as a club on our own do anything about. If you like the party voted into parliament or the opposition for that matter what can Norwich City FC do. Would we take the Saudi money, I'm sure some would but I'm also sure some who are calling for investment would not. 

Furlough can be sorted very easily by us in no time what so ever. Do it. 

[Ren 75]

For a club that prides itself on being a community club this for me was a massive own goal.  It feels like we have stolen from the community we pride ourselves on representing.  

[PurpleCanary 5,562]

Wow!  Never seen such an ultra-woke outpouring of virtue signalling.

[hogesar 9,682]

10 hours ago, yellow_belly said:

Hog you are a twit. 

It's your level of intellectual debate that keeps me coming back for more.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

15 hours ago, Commonsense said:

No he’s a realist. There are a number of posters on here who would take any form of dodgy money from the Middle East, China , Russia etc, yet when the club sensibly uses an above the board system and publishes the details they are disgusting socialists.  If we had purchased players and not sold Emi, we wouldn’t have made a profit so there would have been no room for your sanctimonious whinging. Would that have been a better solution morally then?

Another twit. How do you know which posters have which attitude? And I think your politics is a wee bit confused.

It has beggar all to do with what may have happened. The fact is we did make a profit. And a decent one at that. And it would fit with with our "we want to be loved by everyone" attitude to pay it back.

We are all hypocritical but there is no need for the club to be. Give the money back.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

15 hours ago, Commonsense said:

No he’s a realist. There are a number of posters on here who would take any form of dodgy money from the Middle East, China , Russia etc, yet when the club sensibly uses an above the board system and publishes the details 

What isn't "above board" in taking money from Chinese or Russian people please? I'll give you the Middle East as usually it is sovereign/state money.

But if Jack Ma wanted to buy Norwich City tomorrow, what is automatically dodgy about that? What is wrong with Zhang Jindong? Sounds like you might be showing hints of xenophobia. this reads like Cold War era paranoia. 

Sad thing about our fanbase is that there is a minority of backwards small-world yokels like you who still can't handle the idea of there being new money in the world and the empire being over, I blame the lack of motorways to Norfolk.

Edited October 28, 2021 by TeemuVanBasten

[Commonsense 626]

3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Another twit. How do you know which posters have which attitude? And I think your politics is a wee bit confused.

It has beggar all to do with what may have happened. The fact is we did make a profit. And a decent one at that. And it would fit with with our "we want to be loved by everyone" attitude to pay it back.

We are all hypocritical but there is no need for the club to be. Give the money back.

I know which posters have that attitude because they have clearly stated on this board. Read some of the threads.

A pathetic comment about ‘we want to be loved by everyone’

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

17 hours ago, hogesar said:

Trying not to laugh that some of the posters on this thread arguing moral outrage for us taking Furlough money also saw no problem and looked on in envy at the Saudi takeover of Newcastle.

Names?

[Commonsense 626]

7 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

What isn't "above board" in taking money from Chinese or Russian people please? I'll give you the Middle East as usually it is sovereign/state money.

But if Jack Ma wanted to buy Norwich City tomorrow, what is automatically dodgy about that? What is wrong with Zhang Jindong? Sounds like you might be showing hints of xenophobia. this reads like Cold War era paranoia. 

Sad thing about our fanbase is that there is a minority of backwards small-world yokels like you who still can't handle the idea of there being new money in the world and the empire being over, I blame the lack of motorways to Norfolk.

You appear to accuse people of xenophobia on a fairly frequent basis. There is nothing inherently wrong about money coming from abroad, providing the sources of it are clear and above board. I didn’t say all Russian and Chinese funding was dodgy, simply that certain people wouldn’t care.

Also I doubt now that Jack Ma has rather blotted his copy book, whether he would be allowed to take out substantial sums.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

15 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

You appear to accuse people of xenophobia on a fairly frequent basis. There is nothing inherently wrong about money coming from abroad, providing the sources of it are clear and above board. I didn’t say all Russian and Chinese funding was dodgy, simply that certain people wouldn’t care.

Also I doubt now that Jack Ma has rather blotted his copy book, whether he would be allowed to take out substantial sums.

And there is no dodgy money from the UK or Europe?

You just associate China, Russia and the Middle East with 'dodgy money'? 

When actually UAE and Qatar rank as less corrupt than Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, Italy. Poland and countless other European countries in the corruption index.

Russia comes out pretty badly, but China would be far from the worst in Europe.... and actually, Hong Kong and Singapore fair better than the UK.

There "perceived corruption" index looks substantially different from the "actual corruption" index, and when people perpetuate myths and colour worldviews due to their simple mindedness I will continue to call it xenophobia.

Thailand ranks worse than China by the way; yet the Leicester owners have been bloody fantastic! 

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by TeemuVanBasten

[Jersey Canary 143]

On 27/10/2021 at 15:22, Canaries north said:

To use it was no problem. When we gained promotion I feel we had a moral obligation to pay it back. How can it be right that we have £1.7 million in the bank when other clubs did not. We have spent more on transfers than other clubs who have done the decent thing and either not taken or paid back furlough money.  We have always played on the family club mantra and this sits badly with me. 

The problem was, we didn’t know how long the Pandemic was going to go on for. Losing £30m pa is not sustainable so they took the money to keep the club afloat for longer if lockdown continued.

[Greavsy 2,415]

3 minutes ago, Jersey Canary said:

The problem was, we didn’t know how long the Pandemic was going to go on for. Losing £30m pa is not sustainable so they took the money to keep the club afloat for longer if lockdown continued.

Thats a fair point, but now it's over and having returned a profit it can be returned. 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

58 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

I know which posters have that attitude because they have clearly stated on this board. Read some of the threads.

A pathetic comment about ‘we want to be loved by everyone’

I do not go over old threads to prove a point. If I cannot remember then I ignore it.

And we are a club the wants to be loved. Ooh haven't we a lovely stadium. Not anymore. Aren't we a great Community Club? Yes, but they all are. My local Rugby club does as much per capita as an amateur club as NCFC does with all its resources. Aren't our fans brilliant except the ones who are vicious and boo. Don't we play good football? Most teams do now.

I am as fervent a Norwich supporter as anyone but the coffee woke me up a long time ago.

[Canaries north 151]

44 minutes ago, Jersey Canary said:

The problem was, we didn’t know how long the Pandemic was going to go on for. Losing £30m pa is not sustainable so they took the money to keep the club afloat for longer if lockdown continued.

Agree 100% that we should have taken it when we did. I do not feel comfortable that we haven't given it back. Two very different things. How can we spend 40 X that as Webber has said on players, post a 20 million profit and still keep the money. £1.7 million in the championship is very different to where we find ourselves.