New Tory Leader

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

This set of Tories couldn't cure cancer. I doubt they could even ****ing cure (Richard) bacon.

[Barbe bleu 827]

59 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

This set of Tories couldn't cure cancer. I doubt they could even ****ing cure (Richard) bacon.

If anyone reads this and thinks of an MP before they think of a radio and television presenter they really need to rebalance their life

(unless they actually are the MP- in which case, I'm told your website isn't very good and you don't like to repsond to angry lettets, you naughty boy)

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Fairly useless article really.  It focuses on the political games being played rather than the substance of the issue.

The government statement says that the bill as a whole is being scrapped but the individual elements will be taken forward.  What i want to know is what are the taking forward and what have they dropped, and why?  All I can find is some suggestion off hunting being relevant written in the nut job sort of publication. 

The piece in the article about Labour trying to widen the Bill is amusing. Isn't that the whole purpose of intoducing Bills?

[Herman 9,779]

1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

If anyone reads this and thinks of an MP before they think of a radio and television presenter they really need to rebalance their life

(unless they actually are the MP- in which case, I'm told your website isn't very good and you don't like to repsond to angry lettets, you naughty boy)

The MP is more well known on here than the DJ. The lazy, porcine git. 

[Well b back 3,215]

3 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Mate, the tories could cure cancer and you'd still object to them.

I said the article was useless as it told me nothing. I didnt say the journalist was useless, but as it happens I think it would have been good for them to go out and do a bit of digging as to what cuaed this to be pulled and what was being drafted in its place.

And to be fair, it would have been equally good for the government to put its cards on the table and say "the bit about x has proved more controversial/complicated than expected. We are going to press ahead with the rest while we have think about it".   Our system and the 'gotcha' reporting of it doesn't really allow for any party to make such admissions and thats a shame.

In fairness there is a good chance that they can ( at least some ) cure cancer with Pfizer and Moderna which are entering stage 3 trials. Of course the companies concerned are based in Germany, France and America but the Tories are claiming it’s them ie bending the truth as they do with everything.

The other day Mel somebody on behalf of the government told us inflation was worse in the likes of Germany and France, then quoted the figures. The figures he shew however were that months figures for the U.K. and the figures for2 months before for Germany, France and Spain. 
We are adults, why not tell the truth, as Mr Johnson will tell you all liars get caught eventually. 

[Yellow Fever 3,792]

17 minutes ago, Well b back said:

In fairness there is a good chance that they can ( at least some ) cure cancer with Pfizer and Moderna which are entering stage 3 trials. Of course the companies concerned are based in Germany, France and America but the Tories are claiming it’s them ie bending the truth as they do with everything.

The other day Mel somebody on behalf of the government told us inflation was worse in the likes of Germany and France, then quoted the figures. The figures he shew however were that months figures for the U.K. and the figures for2 months before for Germany, France and Spain. 
We are adults, why not tell the truth, as Mr Johnson will tell you all liars get caught eventually. 

Quite agree WBB. I'll place aside the 'cure-cancer' as you may recall how my acquaintances got diverted onto something else a few years back!

As to the economy, the effects of Brexit etc. and any comparisons what you are arguing is for a grown up discussion. I think there's zero chance of that with those that will die in ditch (literally it seems) trying to defend an economic argument for Brexit as currently formed. All they can do is cherry-pick or use mal-information as you note. Nobody seriously doubts the huge ongoing economic cost.

For me - it just looks like we are returning to all the problems of the early 1970s - a wage-price inflationary spiral, higher interest rates as a result than our European rivals, low productivity / investment plus industrial strife. In short decline. Just the way I would guess the typical Brexiter likes (or more likely remembers) it.

 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

5 hours ago, Barbe bleu said:

Mate, the tories could cure cancer and you'd still object to them.

Mate, the Tories could cause cancer or indeed unnecessary deaths (which they have in large numbers if you cast your mind back to 2020) and you would still defend them - seems that mine is the more reasonable position since we all know that the Tories are definitely not going to cure cancer and at the moment are presiding over ever increasing waiting lists to even get cancer treatment.

 

 

[Barbe bleu 827]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

The MP is more well known on here than the DJ. The lazy, porcine git. 

Honestly Herman, if you did think of the MP first then reflect on the fact that you thought immediately of a soon to be retired back bench MP of no great consequence from another county rather than the DJ. 

You're about the right age to remember his 'Blue Peter disgrace'  and subsequent re-emergence too.  

Remember, we're here for a good time, not a long time and life's too short to fight everyone else's fight for them.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Barbe bleu

[Barbe bleu 827]

3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

The piece in the article about Labour trying to widen the Bill is amusing. Isn't that the whole purpose of intoducing Bills?

Well, yes, that's a big part of the process.

The point i was making is that the focus on the article was on the political games rather than the policy and I was reflecting on the fact that I found that a pity.

Party politics just doesn't excite me in the way it does for some.  There are people that will support 'their party' like they support  'their team' and love all the games and intrigue that goes with it. I find that a bit odd. Nowt so wotsit as folk though I guess

 

[Barbe bleu 827]

5 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I'm told by a Labour MP that the issue is fox hunting. That is confirmed by the Hunt Sabbateurs Association but that can't be confirmed because the people that blocked it aren't saying. 

The Conservative Party have never grasped the fact that 83% of the population is completely against hunting. Or perhaps they do understand but they are afraid of the effect on donations. 

It was confirmed, but can't be confirmed seems doesn't seem like the most confident assessment.

I suppose it could make sense that the bill was introduced and then got pulled when it expanded in purpose,  to in effect inckude a ban on drag hunting or whatever it is called - Especially if the government didn't want there to be a vote on this particular issue.

Seems a shame that proposed laws that seemed to have cross party support could be derailed as a result but that's the calculation MPs make I guess.

 

[Herman 9,779]

22 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Honestly Herman, if you did think of the MP first then reflect on the fact that you thought immediately of a soon to be retired back bench MP of no great consequence from another county rather than the DJ. 

You're about the right age to remember his 'Blue Peter disgrace'  and subsequent re-emergence too.  

Remember, we're here for a good time, not a long time and life's too short to fight everyone else's fight for them.

Biffa Bacon has had a whole thread on here about him.

I haven't heard from the DJ since his 5Live days.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

Well, yes, that's a big part of the process.

The point i was making is that the focus on the article was on the political games rather than the policy and I was reflecting on the fact that I found that a pity.

Party politics just doesn't excite me in the way it does for some.  There are people that will support 'their party' like they support  'their team' and love all the games and intrigue that goes with it. I find that a bit odd. Nowt so wotsit as folk though I guess

 

Why is it odd that people are interested in Politics. You mention "team" and its obvious that there are political shenanigans on here most Saturday evenings, ie how much support can I get from my point of view.

[Barbe bleu 827]

6 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Why is it odd that people are interested in Politics. You mention "team" and its obvious that there are political shenanigans on here most Saturday evenings, ie how much support can I get from my point of view.

Depends what you mean by 'interested in politics'.  I'm interested in policies I'm just largely disinterested in who delivers them.  I'm not convinced that others dont get close to the vice versa. 

It's a bit like football I guess.  Not many would give up supporting their team, even if they did appoint xxxx xxxxxxx ad manager.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

45 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Depends what you mean by 'interested in politics'.  I'm interested in policies I'm just largely disinterested in who delivers them.  I'm not convinced that others dont get close to the vice versa. 

It's a bit like football I guess.  Not many would give up supporting their team, even if they did appoint xxxx xxxxxxx ad manager.

So do you really think that even though I am a socialist, I wouldn't want a Tory Government to make a decent job of running the country? 

[Barbe bleu 827]

8 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

So do you really think that even though I am a socialist, I wouldn't want a Tory Government to make a decent job of running the country? 

I've never thought of you as being in that category!

I find there to be an incongruous mix between your old style socialism and your support of the EU (based mainly I must admit on old video of Tony Benn and Thatcher in her EU loving days) but it's probably principles above party with you I think.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Dorries coming under scrutiny. She hasn't spoken in the House since last July and has voted 6 times. She hasn't been seen in her constituency for a long time and her constituency office has been closed and replaced by something else. Too busy on her "talk show"?

I shouldn't worry about resigning Lucretia, the good people of your constituency were going to vote you out anyway.

Oh how important you are. Johnson's moll is about to find out that her 15 minutes of fame is over.

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/jun/23/brexit-anniversary-poll-eu-rishi-sunak-jeremy-hunt-inflation-mortgages-uk-politics-live

Dissatisfaction with government at near record levels, with 80% of people unhappy at how it's running country

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

And the second spoonful makes it 30p.

 

[Yellowfuture 71]

On 12/06/2023 at 16:53, Yellowfuture said:

Charlotte Owen….mmm I’m saying nothing, nothing to seed here

Injunctive relief

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

It could cost an estimated £63,000 more to send a migrant to a "safe country" such as Rwanda than to keep them in the UK, the government has said.

An economic impact assessment of the Illegal Migration Bill, which is going through Parliament, found a gross cost of £169,000 to relocate an individual.

But the estimated £106,000 spent on housing support if they remained in the UK would be avoided.

The government said the policy would also have a deterrent impact.

However, the Home Office assessment said it was "uncertain" what level of deterrence impact it would have because the bill was "novel and untested".

It said no cost would be incurred if an individual was deterred from entering the UK illegally.

[Herman 9,779]

50 minutes ago, Yellowfuture said:

Injunctive relief

He's a bit clueless at trying to keep a secret really.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

HSBC to move out of Canary Wharf. They join Barclays who say they do not need massive office towers anymore.

Our five floor council offices are likely to be demolished (not going to be turned into housing instead of pulling it down) because an office block built for 900 has only 60 working there at any time.

Could Canary Wharf end up the cheapest housing in London?

[Well b back 3,215]

A new poll tonight sees the Labour lead increasing to 23%. Nearly all polls this week have seen a swing of 4% towards Labour ( even the lower ones ) over the last month. Added to the swings to Lib Dem’s if people don’t bottle it on the day it is closing in on a huge defeat. 
58% now reckon SKS would be better leading the country than 42%  who said Sunak would. When asked a similar question before the last election, 58% said Johnson and 42% said Corbyn.

Labour poll lead reaches ‘alien invasion’ levels

A new Deltapoll today put Labour’s lead at 23 points, up 4 since a week earlier. The party’s average lead has risen from 17 points at the start of May to 21 points now.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Well b back

[Well b back 3,215]

Guess what, even where Rishi says we are world leaders, it’s not taken him long to f*** it up, even if it was true when he said it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66032607

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Guess what, even where Rishi says we are world leaders, it’s not taken him long to f*** it up, even if it was true when he said it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66032607

They want to open up coal mines again because net zero is too expensive. It will be by the time they achieve it.

[Herman 9,779]

It's the lefty lawyers what done it. Balls to Rwanda. 

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

29 minutes ago, Herman said:

It's the lefty lawyers what done it. Balls to Rwanda. 

What's Ed done now?

[Barbe bleu 827]

48 minutes ago, Herman said:

It's the lefty lawyers what done it. Balls to Rwanda. 

Looks like it's going to rumble on for a couple of years yet and might become a big issue at the election.

Government will appeal whilst pressing Rwanda to make a few changes to get over the bar. It'll then be left to the new government to decide what to do next.

To be honest I'd probably rather this was fully resolved one way or the other.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

How is Rwanda going to make itself safe enough? 

I know, kick out all the immigrants.

[Yellow Fever 3,792]

1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

Looks like it's going to rumble on for a couple of years yet and might become a big issue at the election.

Government will appeal whilst pressing Rwanda to make a few changes to get over the bar. It'll then be left to the new government to decide what to do next.

To be honest I'd probably rather this was fully resolved one way or the other.

Perhaps we should deport Braverman, Patel and the rest to Rwanda incognito without passports (we don't need to worry about their human rights it seems). Let them live there in the hostels whilst applying for Rwandan asylum for couple of years and if it's all good and nothing untoward has happened after that to any of them then look again.  

Frankly it's an absurd and costly policy mainly for show not practical reality.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Yellow Fever