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On 16/04/2020 at 08:22, JF said:

Genuine question. What do these elf clubs gain financially from cancelling the season now? They still have upkeep of facilities and salaries to pay. Or is it a case that if it’s cancelled that there is insurance against a cancelled season? Final league position payments that may tide them over for another month? Is it that they can release players who are under contract through a cancelled season instead of having to keep them ready for a restart?

But will they? The chairman of Southend  United has indicated that as the EFL is dragging its heels on any decision, and with no money forthcoming from the football league or any other football authority, he will take his chances in the courts in cancelling all player contracts having already furloughed six first team players. In the current circumstances the courts may look favorably at his stance. Any ground can be left to rot, with developers looking for cheap bargains, it won’t be the first time a ground has been sold for building. 

Clubs have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Owners, however rich a club is or isn’t, cannot maintain the current situation, and it’s looking rather bleak across the globe for football.

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3 minutes ago, City 2nd said:

But will they? The chairman of Southend  United has indicated that as the EFL is dragging its heels on any decision, and with no money forthcoming from the football league or any other football authority, he will take his chances in the courts in cancelling all player contracts having already furloughed six first team players. In the current circumstances the courts may look favorably at his stance. Any ground can be left to rot, with developers looking for cheap bargains, it won’t be the first time a ground has been sold for building. 

Clubs have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Owners, however rich a club is or isn’t, cannot maintain the current situation, and it’s looking rather bleak across the globe for football.

Yes just seen that and also another club that I can’t remember have furloughed players. Complete lack  of leadership has forced their hand

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Luton at the start of a trend ? 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52413677

Luton Town have parted company with manager Graeme Jones after just under a year in charge at Kenilworth Road. The former Everton, Wigan and West Brom assistant, 50, has had his contract terminated "by mutual agreement". The Hatters said the decision was "in order to reduce its cost base". Assistant manager Gary Brabin, first-team coach Inigo Idiakez and technical goalkeeping coach Imanol Etxeberria have also had their contracts terminated with immediate effect.

 

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On 17/04/2020 at 16:20, JF said:

As I’ve posted on another thread. When my son can attend school and play in the playground with his friends with no social distancing in place is when football can be played again. Not a moment sooner. To do otherwise and allow multi millionaire players to play a game of football but not allow the same freedoms to children ect would be a terrible advert for the game and highly unlikely to be allowed by government 

 

Except it’s not just letting some multi millionaires kick a ball around with their mates down a park. If football isn’t able to start for years then clubs would go bust - that’s a lot of jobs gone (and not just the players) . 

If we go with some form of staggered lifting of lockdown, somehow I don’t think kids playing in a park will be quite as high up as saving jobs.

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7 hours ago, Aggy said:

Except it’s not just letting some multi millionaires kick a ball around with their mates down a park. If football isn’t able to start for years then clubs would go bust - that’s a lot of jobs gone (and not just the players) . 

If we go with some form of staggered lifting of lockdown, somehow I don’t think kids playing in a park will be quite as high up as saving jobs.

So you think saving some jobs is more important than the x amount of children in this country continuing their vital education? I’d say both were pretty much on a par of vital importance. How are children attending schools and maintaining social distancing? The answer is they are not, and if testing is so vital to get PL multi millionaires playing then surely that testing should also be in place to allow children to return to the schools?? 

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37 minutes ago, JF said:

So you think saving some jobs is more important than the x amount of children in this country continuing their vital education? I’d say both were pretty much on a par of vital importance. How are children attending schools and maintaining social distancing? The answer is they are not, and if testing is so vital to get PL multi millionaires playing then surely that testing should also be in place to allow children to return to the schools?? 

100% agree.

I have children school age and does the thought of sending them back thrill me knowing that its easily caught and can have serious consequences for their health.....absolutely not and I'm actually considering saying no unless the school can prove that they can protect them.

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32 minutes ago, Rich T The Biscuit said:

100% agree.

I have children school age and does the thought of sending them back thrill me knowing that its easily caught and can have serious consequences for their health.....absolutely not and I'm actually considering saying no unless the school can prove that they can protect them.

Exactly. It’s also not just their health but their families as well. And the very fact that if the economy is to recover people will not be able to return to work if the children haven’t returned to schools. If PL footballers get these tests to resume but schools don’t then I think the **** will hit the fan, and rightly so. 

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Sounds to me you’ll be doing home schooling. Trouble is guys, at some stage they have to go back, not only for education but socialising and physical health.

Yes there’s concerns but I’m sure there will be measures in place to aid this process.

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4 minutes ago, Indy said:

Sounds to me you’ll be doing home schooling. Trouble is guys, at some stage they have to go back, not only for education but socialising and physical health.

Yes there’s concerns but I’m sure there will be measures in place to aid this process.

Agreed. The point really is that if it’s only safe for PL footballers to return without social distancing through testing then that testing needs to be in place for children to return. I can’t see how football can get preference over education 

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4 minutes ago, JF said:

Agreed. The point really is that if it’s only safe for PL footballers to return without social distancing through testing then that testing needs to be in place for children to return. I can’t see how football can get preference over education 

I agree in principle, but we know each entity is in a different world, football gets privileged treatment. I think as on the other thread to allow footballers back in training at their training facilities, is a good thing as long as they are regularly checked by the medical staff, keep their distance, again each club to put a host of measure in place to protect the staff and players.

Its tough times and we’re a few weeks away from restrictions being slowly lifted with measures, so plenty of time to get procedures in place for schools, shops and other businesses.

As for clubs, I’m sure lots of clubs might be in trouble, but we lost two last year so won’t be surprised if we do see a few more go to the wall.

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British GP in July  not cancelled  but no crowd. The French have fully cancelled theirs which was to be the week before.

I very much doubt that any cars will be whizzing round Silverstone this year, crowd or no crowd.

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21 minutes ago, ricardo said:

British GP in July  not cancelled  but no crowd. The French have fully cancelled theirs which was to be the week before.

I very much doubt that any cars will be whizzing round Silverstone this year, crowd or no crowd.

Social distancing in the pit lane might be a problem on a tyre change.

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I very much doubt that any cars will be whizzing round Silverstone this year, crowd or no crowd

If Lewis Hamilton has the same sentiment as he did 6 weeks ago, I doubt he will be driving.

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I spent a couple days and evenings in the company of a Southend United Director. And if I said he was just a local businessman who was in love with his club and wanted to be a part and help where he could and not a filthy rich oligarch you might get some idea of what club Southend is like.

He gave me an insight into his club and it is light years away from us let alone those at the very top. For them to hire a manager and then have to sack him is a major problem and not a matter of paying off Mourinho's millions and phoning Europe or Argentina for another.

For them to play behind close doors is impossible because they would still have to pay many of the staff on match day with no income.

How bizarre that those cretins at the EPL think it is good for the game to sort out who is playing CL next season at the expense of grass roots football.

If any club goes under because they are forced to lose money to play then I hope the EPL collapses under its own greed and all these lip service owners crawl off to where they come from.

Then some clubs might not take the mickey out of us and our owners so much. Let's see some ManC supporters reaction when the rats all leave the ship. 

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Press are suggesting that Derby may be the first to go into administration to avoid their huge salary bill. They don't own the ground anymore (which is itself already the subject of a FFP investigation) so have few assets to lose and will take the 10 point deduction for this or next season.

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2 hours ago, Rich T The Biscuit said:

I have children school age and does the thought of sending them back thrill me knowing that its easily caught and can have serious consequences for their health.....absolutely not and I'm actually considering saying no unless the school can prove that they can protect them.

Yes, I face a similar dilemma. I saw this today (Yes I know it's the Mirror but...) about a corona-related syndrome emerging in children.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/coronavirus-three-key-symptoms-new-21932619

 

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26 minutes ago, sgncfc said:

Press are suggesting that Derby may be the first to go into administration to avoid their huge salary bill. They don't own the ground anymore (which is itself already the subject of a FFP investigation) so have few assets to lose and will take the 10 point deduction for this or next season.

If this is true that would mean serious implications for them in future seasons (if they survive).

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Hey guys have we got the Main Coronovirus and EFL Club Survival threads mixed up here?

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6 hours ago, JF said:

So you think saving some jobs is more important than the x amount of children in this country continuing their vital education? I’d say both were pretty much on a par of vital importance. How are children attending schools and maintaining social distancing? The answer is they are not, and if testing is so vital to get PL multi millionaires playing then surely that testing should also be in place to allow children to return to the schools?? 

To be honest I hadnt read your post properly and thought you had only referred to kids kicking a ball around in a park rather than schooling. 
 

However I expect most jobs will be allowed to resume before children are back at school. An extra two months off school isn’t going to do too much harm (especially as we’re not far off Summer holidays now and most exams etc have been missed already), whereas an extra two mo this with jobs not resuming could cripple the economy.

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Also I would say that playing in a park with no social distancing will be virtually the last thing I expect to be allowed. Even when the kids are back at school, I expect there will at the very least be guidance suggesting we limit social gatherings. 

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56 minutes ago, Aggy said:

To be honest I hadnt read your post properly and thought you had only referred to kids kicking a ball around in a park rather than schooling. 
 

However I expect most jobs will be allowed to resume before children are back at school. An extra two months off school isn’t going to do too much harm (especially as we’re not far off Summer holidays now and most exams etc have been missed already), whereas an extra two mo this with jobs not resuming could cripple the economy.

Fair enough. The only point I would raise is the issue that if children can’t return to school then parents can’t return to work, especially as it’s been said not to send children to grandparents. It’s an absolute nightmare to sort out 

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3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

How can kids return to school with social distancing?

They can’t, hence my point that if we’re throwing tests at PL footballers so they can play without social distancing shouldn’t we be prioritising testing at schools to get the kids back in education, thus freeing up the parents to go back to work 

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5 minutes ago, JF said:

They can’t, hence my point that if we’re throwing tests at PL footballers so they can play without social distancing shouldn’t we be prioritising testing at schools to get the kids back in education, thus freeing up the parents to go back to work 

That's way to logical in your thought process but so right.

Go knock on No.10 and help them out with this piece of advice as it's the most intelligent solution I've read.

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1 hour ago, JF said:

They can’t, hence my point that if we’re throwing tests at PL footballers so they can play without social distancing shouldn’t we be prioritising testing at schools to get the kids back in education, thus freeing up the parents to go back to work 

Re the point you make about schools and parents - yes but there are lots of (more) people who don’t have school aged kids. There isn’t a perfect solution for everyone. If you let kids back first then what’s the point of having any lockdown at all? Kids run round get other people’s germs and then take them home. 

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9 minutes ago, Aggy said:

Re the point you make about schools and parents - yes but there are lots of (more) people who don’t have school aged kids. There isn’t a perfect solution for everyone. If you let kids back first then what’s the point of having any lockdown at all? Kids run round get other people’s germs and then take them home. 

True. But equally there are many more people in this country that don’t give a toss about football than those that do that will see these tests as a scandalously wasted use of resources 

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1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

How can kids return to school with social distancing?

They take the register then play truant.....

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