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What would people think of that here? Can you imagine what Webber & Farke would do with that backing? Would love that here... unfortunately that is a game changer for Leeds. 

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Personally I would see such a takeover bringing a degree of risk but also being a massive potential game changer for the club and an opportunity too good to turn down.

I would also have hoped that given it seems widely known they have been in the market for an English Club, a club like ours who acknowledge that we don't have the means to compete at the top level would have sounded them out but I suspect that's wishful thinking.

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10 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

What would people think of that here? Can you imagine what Webber & Farke would do with that backing? Would love that here... unfortunately that is a game changer for Leeds. 

Would Webber and Farke even still be here if we were bought out by a huge consortium like that? I imagine they might have their own thoughts about how to do things!

There are so many potential variables that it's hard to give an answer, really.

Oh and don't worry about Leeds. They'll still find a way to spaff things up.

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Whenever we were linked with “dubious” characters-Joey Barton and Ched Evans for instance-the horror was almost unanimous. Imagine being owned by a company which is based in a country with an appalling civil rights record-that would have to seriously improve before I would be happy.

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Anyway whatever, as we're going with what we've got......and as some Champagne socialists preach...."Money is the root of all evil.....especially when you haven't got enough"......

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21 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

Personally I would see such a takeover bringing a degree of risk but also being a massive potential game changer for the club and an opportunity too good to turn down.

I would also have hoped that given it seems widely known they have been in the market for an English Club, a club like ours who acknowledge that we don't have the means to compete at the top level would have sounded them out but I suspect that's wishful thinking.

I agree Jim, imagine if Delia & Michael only asked for a nominal fee ... cheap & debt free, it would be a magnificent end to her successfully stabilising the club.

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22 minutes ago, Mello Yello said:

Anyway whatever, as we're going with what we've got......and as some Champagne socialists preach...."Money is the root of all evil.....especially when you haven't got enough"......

never one to miss a dig, eh hand crank ?

and the actual comment is " the love of money is...................."

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Just now, Bill said:

never one to miss a dig, eh hand crank ?

and the actual comment is " the love of money is...................."

How's the yoga going? Managed to kick yourself in the nuts yet?.....

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18 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

Whenever we were linked with “dubious” characters-Joey Barton and Ched Evans for instance-the horror was almost unanimous. Imagine being owned by a company which is based in a country with an appalling civil rights record-that would have to seriously improve before I would be happy.

So all people in that Country have to be viewed in the same light as the people that run it? Not sure thatthe owners of PSG can be accused of human rights abuses. On a footballing level it would be very exciting for any club. 

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2 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

Would it not be nice to have a civil conversation for once.... go on try it people

Bill /City1st in his view.....is having a civil conversation.....

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I'd turn this down and join Nutty Nigel, Lakey, Wcorkcanary and Hogesar in their unwavering support of the Smith dynasty and remain loyal to the heir to the throne Tom Smith, and his first son, and his son's first son. Because rich foreign people are almost always evil and QPR aren't in the Champions League.

 

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10 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

Would it not be nice to have a civil conversation for once.... go on try it people

Compared to the Brexit thread this is politeness personified...🤓

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I wonder if those British Steel workers who now have a bright future, are annoyed & seething that is was the foreign Chinese group Jingye that's rescued them....?  

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33 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

So all people in that Country have to be viewed in the same light as the people that run it? Not sure thatthe owners of PSG can be accused of human rights abuses. On a footballing level it would be very exciting for any club. 

The guy who runs Qatar Sports Investments is also part of the Qatari government so in this case, I think they can be viewed in the same light as the people that run it.

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27 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

I'd turn this down and join Nutty Nigel, Lakey, Wcorkcanary and Hogesar in their unwavering support of the Smith dynasty and remain loyal to the heir to the throne Tom Smith, and his first son, and his son's first son. Because rich foreign people are almost always evil and QPR aren't in the Champions League.

 

First time I think i've been included in a list of 'unwavering support of the Smith dynasty'. Well, unless you've said the same before.

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Isn't the problem that oppressive regimes are 'sports-washing' their reputations with the purchase of sports teams and sporting events, around the world. I understand it is a part of life but we don't have to be happy with it.

 

To be honest I would rather they didn't, Leeds is more 'up their street'.

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36 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

If it is as it appears , this is game changing money. I saw Man City play in Div 3.

It is and for a club like Leeds it could be huge. 

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17 minutes ago, king canary said:

The guy who runs Qatar Sports Investments is also part of the Qatari government so in this case, I think they can be viewed in the same light as the people that run it.

Ok, did not know that. Successive British Governments of all political persuasions deal with the Saudi's so I would not have an issue with this guy buying our club personally... better to have the argument & try to change than to ignore completely and on a footballing level imagine the players we would see at Carrow Road.

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There are very few multi millionaires with spotless records. How you view these things depends on what you're willing to tolerate.

The owners of Man City have not only made the club a huge success but have also invested heavily in the local area, upgrading facilities and in general taking a run-down, crime-ridden part of Manchester and making it a significantly nicer placer to live. On the other hand, they are linked to a highly oppressive regime with a more than questionable human rights records.

In the same city the Glazers are much less popular as they've stacked the club with debt are seen as pariahs. However, they've not got anywhere near the same baggage as the owners of City.

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So I guess the days of them being our feeder club are over then! 

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1 hour ago, Kenny Foggo said:

So all people in that Country have to be viewed in the same light as the people that run it? Not sure thatthe owners of PSG can be accused of human rights abuses. On a footballing level it would be very exciting for any club. 

QSI is a subsidiary of Qatar Investment Authority, which is state-owned.

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I was chatting to a U’s supporter April this year, he was on about Red Bull looking at buying a club in England, they were supposed to be looking at Oxford or MK Dons as they have close connections to their head uk base. That would be an interesting one, would you be happy to change in name an colours to be funded?

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It is not only a question of change. It is a question of what you change from.

Leeds start from Bates, Cellino, Radrizzani....so QSI is a wonderful step into great riches and ambition for them.

We start from well-meaning, deeply-connected fans who love the club and want the best for it.

They openly don’t have the funds to compete in the actualité of the Premier League, though in many ways they - in their purity of love and intention - are what many fans of other clubs would dream of. I used to live round the corner from Maine Road and that includes many Manchester City fans too by the way.

A rich Delia is perfection of course. QSI is another compromise in a long list of small hop compromises that lead somewhere you may never intend (as criminal organisations all around the world know well).

In many ways you have the Faustian bargain right here - Jack Barak speaks with decency -     something pure that is unlikely to compete at the top level vs something rather impure and detached (‘sport-washing’ at best). Though purity can be evangelical and hold things back on angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin ideology, whilst if you believe in rehabilitation, then even ‘sport-washing’ is at least a ‘flagstone on the road to Democracy’.

We start from an increasingly rare position of purity however. Once that is compromised it may not find its way back. ‘The second million is always honest’ as a wise Russian once told me. 

Parma

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34 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

Ok, did not know that. Successive British Governments of all political persuasions deal with the Saudi's so I would not have an issue with this guy buying our club personally... better to have the argument & try to change than to ignore completely and on a footballing level imagine the players we would see at Carrow Road.

UK governments do business with the Saudis and other despicable regimes because of mega-money arms deals. 'This guy', as others have said, is in effect the Qatari government, and buying football clubs is by way of trying to launder the country's reputation rather than instigating a process of change for the better. So definitely not in this case, but then I would not want NCFC in effect owned by any country. Too many potential pitfalls.

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2 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

It is not only a question of change. It is a question of what you change from.

Leeds start from Bates, Cellino, Radrizzani....so QSI is a wonderful step into great riches and ambition for them.

We start from well-meaning, deeply-connected fans who love the club and want the best for it.

They openly don’t have the funds to compete in the actualité of the Premier League, though in many ways they - in their purity of love and intention - are what many fans of other clubs would dream of. I used to live round the corner from Maine Road and that includes many Manchester City fans too by the way.

A rich Delia is perfection of course. QSI is another compromise in a long list of small hop compromises that lead somewhere you may never intend (as criminal organisations all around the world know well).

In many ways you have the Faustian bargain right here - Jack Barak speaks with decency -     something pure that is unlikely to compete at the top level vs something rather impure and detached (‘sport-washing’ at best). Though purity can be evangelical and hold things back on angels-on-the-year-or-a-pin ideology, whilst if you believe in rehabilitation, then even ‘sport-washing’ is at least a ‘flagstone on the road to Democracy’.

Parma

One thing I'd add- we've not been above courting morally dubious investment in the past. The Turners who briefly joined and left the board made their money via the quite dodgy high interest loan market.

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42 minutes ago, JF said:

So I guess the days of them being our feeder club are over then! 

If they come up and we go down, there's possibly a 'role reversal' in the not too distant future......

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32 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

It is not only a question of change. It is a question of what you change from.

Leeds start from Bates, Cellino, Radrizzani....so QSI is a wonderful step into great riches and ambition for them.

We start from well-meaning, deeply-connected fans who love the club and want the best for it.

They openly don’t have the funds to compete in the actualité of the Premier League, though in many ways they - in their purity of love and intention - are what many fans of other clubs would dream of. I used to live round the corner from Maine Road and that includes many Manchester City fans too by the way.

A rich Delia is perfection of course. QSI is another compromise in a long list of small hop compromises that lead somewhere you may never intend (as criminal organisations all around the world know well).

In many ways you have the Faustian bargain right here - Jack Barak speaks with decency -     something pure that is unlikely to compete at the top level vs something rather impure and detached (‘sport-washing’ at best). Though purity can be evangelical and hold things back on angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin ideology, whilst if you believe in rehabilitation, then even ‘sport-washing’ is at least a ‘flagstone on the road to Democracy’.

We start from an increasingly rare position of purity however. Once that is compromised it may not find its way back. ‘The second million is always honest’ as a wise Russian once told me. 

Parma

 

15 minutes ago, king canary said:

One thing I'd add- we've not been above courting morally dubious investment in the past. The Turners who briefly joined and left the board made their money via the quite dodgy high interest loan market.

Well there you have it King. Norwich fans, decent couple, looked ideal investors in Norwich - indeed accepted and welcomed by Delia and Michael - though now you are dissecting their wealth source and suggesting it didn’t meet high enough moral standards. 

I don’t necessarily say you are wrong in your observation,  though you certainly throw into sharp relief how narrow the pot would be to match the decent and morally clean wealth of  Delia and the multiple other good things she represents. 

Parma 

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