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44 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

It's quite smart, but as I said somewhere else, it's not a suitable shirt for a team in a match.  I would buy one and wear it if it didn't have "dafabet" plastered all over it.

 

Agreed. Go for the training wear, dafabet logo is much more subtle and no angry friends logo or whatever it is on the arm...

https://shop.canaries.co.uk/training/adult-trainingwear/

 

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8 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Errea will have written it into the kit contract that the 3rd kit is used a certain number of times in the season, including some televised games. 

That's bonkers.  Club needs to take a good hard look at itself if it ok'd a grey kit to be made that is actually going to be used in the PL.  No common sense in it whatsoever as Man Utd showed when they had to wear a grey kit. 

Errea must be devoid of experience/practical knowledge too, if they can come up with this.....it's not rocket science that a kit needs to have bright colours in it. 

Someone needs to ask questions!

 

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1 hour ago, Fiery Zac said:

Really?

My suitcase is packed full of City shirts for every holiday. Worn with pride.

Do you leave room for your Burtons 3 piece pin striped suit???

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Last season we must have worn the dayglo green kit 5 or 6 times, especially towards the end of the season.  I'm pretty sure the players liked wearing it, that's the only reason I can think as to why it was worn so many times, compared to the white away kit.

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6 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

People don't actually believe the 'Man U grey shirt' thing do they? 

Plenty of football teams play in black kits...

Ferguson - "The players don't like the grey strip," he said. "The players couldn't pick each other out. They said it was difficult to see their team-mates at distance when they lifted their heads.

Neville on Gail Stevenson, the vision specialist MU had brought in -

"Sharpness was the alertness, and your vision. It was about how quickly you could pick up your teammates. So when the ball arrives into you and you're playing well, you know where your next pass is before you've started. That's not a physical failing - it's an awareness thing. She brought in a lot of eye exercises, and alertness exercises - about eye muscles. She said you stop using your eye muscles when you're injured, in a football sense. You wouldn't be looking around you all the time, you wouldn't always have that 'picture' when you receive the ball.

"She actually said to Sir Alex - this was the detail that he would go into - 'imagine you've got this crowd behind you - there are colours that you can see quicker than others, that stand out more than others'. It's obvious. The reason people wear bright yellow on a motorway is so people can see them. People don't wear grey on a motorway! 

"She'd said to him 'this is not right. the players will not pick it up, in a crowded atmosphere, the shirt, as quickly as the other ones'. This is something that had been going on for months. He'd rejected this kit a couple of months before - he was not having it at all. 

"The vision specialist then started to work with our kit manufacturers on how our kits stand out the most. There was a bit more science behind it than 'the gaffer didn't like the kit and that's the reason why we were losing'."

The kit was taken off sale just days later after Ferguson blamed it for the defeat, while a £10,000 fine from the FA that came with the decision was described by Ferguson as "the best £10,000 I ever spent"

Sounds fair enough to me.

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Shame we didn't keep the Fluro green.. our record in that was pretty good last season! Can't get any more visible than that, perhaps it does work..... 

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2 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Ferguson - "The players don't like the grey strip," he said. "The players couldn't pick each other out. They said it was difficult to see their team-mates at distance when they lifted their heads.

Neville on Gail Stevenson, the vision specialist MU had brought in -

"Sharpness was the alertness, and your vision. It was about how quickly you could pick up your teammates. So when the ball arrives into you and you're playing well, you know where your next pass is before you've started. That's not a physical failing - it's an awareness thing. She brought in a lot of eye exercises, and alertness exercises - about eye muscles. She said you stop using your eye muscles when you're injured, in a football sense. You wouldn't be looking around you all the time, you wouldn't always have that 'picture' when you receive the ball.

"She actually said to Sir Alex - this was the detail that he would go into - 'imagine you've got this crowd behind you - there are colours that you can see quicker than others, that stand out more than others'. It's obvious. The reason people wear bright yellow on a motorway is so people can see them. People don't wear grey on a motorway! 

"She'd said to him 'this is not right. the players will not pick it up, in a crowded atmosphere, the shirt, as quickly as the other ones'. This is something that had been going on for months. He'd rejected this kit a couple of months before - he was not having it at all. 

 

"The vision specialist then started to work with our kit manufacturers on how our kits stand out the most. There was a bit more science behind it than 'the gaffer didn't like the kit and that's the reason why we were losing'."

The kit was taken off sale just days later after Ferguson blamed it for the defeat, while a £10,000 fine from the FA that came with the decision was described by Ferguson as "the best £10,000 I ever spent"

Sounds fair enough to me.

It was a pre-planned event.  If it was just about the issue of seeing each other, they'd have just changed the shirts, not the full kit.

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I quite like the 3rd strip and would purchase it. However that arm sponsor is absolutely hideous and ruins it for me. Same for the home and away shirts. 

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27 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Ferguson - "The players don't like the grey strip," he said. "The players couldn't pick each other out. They said it was difficult to see their team-mates at distance when they lifted their heads.

Neville on Gail Stevenson, the vision specialist MU had brought in -

"Sharpness was the alertness, and your vision. It was about how quickly you could pick up your teammates. So when the ball arrives into you and you're playing well, you know where your next pass is before you've started. That's not a physical failing - it's an awareness thing. She brought in a lot of eye exercises, and alertness exercises - about eye muscles. She said you stop using your eye muscles when you're injured, in a football sense. You wouldn't be looking around you all the time, you wouldn't always have that 'picture' when you receive the ball.

"She actually said to Sir Alex - this was the detail that he would go into - 'imagine you've got this crowd behind you - there are colours that you can see quicker than others, that stand out more than others'. It's obvious. The reason people wear bright yellow on a motorway is so people can see them. People don't wear grey on a motorway! 

"She'd said to him 'this is not right. the players will not pick it up, in a crowded atmosphere, the shirt, as quickly as the other ones'. This is something that had been going on for months. He'd rejected this kit a couple of months before - he was not having it at all. 

 

"The vision specialist then started to work with our kit manufacturers on how our kits stand out the most. There was a bit more science behind it than 'the gaffer didn't like the kit and that's the reason why we were losing'."

The kit was taken off sale just days later after Ferguson blamed it for the defeat, while a £10,000 fine from the FA that came with the decision was described by Ferguson as "the best £10,000 I ever spent"

Sounds fair enough to me.

We won't be wearing it very often so... I wouldn't get too concerned about it.

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9 minutes ago, BobLoz3 said:

We won't be wearing it very often so... I wouldn't get too concerned about it.

Bet we will - as Bethnal says, it'll be in the Errea contract somewhere that we will wear the red kit and the grey one in 9 or 10 away games.

Gone are the days when we only wore an away kit if we played Wolves!

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33 minutes ago, Matt Juler said:

It was a pre-planned event.  If it was just about the issue of seeing each other, they'd have just changed the shirts, not the full kit.

If it was pre-planned, it was for a good reason - grey is not a good colour for a football shirt, way too neutral....even black is better because it is a strong colour.  Grey is just.....well....grey.

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38 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

If it was pre-planned, it was for a good reason - grey is not a good colour for a football shirt, way too neutral....even black is better because it is a strong colour.  Grey is just.....well....grey.

It's 'anthracite' actually 😊

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44 minutes ago, Woodman said:

Bet we will - as Bethnal says, it'll be in the Errea contract somewhere that we will wear the red kit and the grey one in 9 or 10 away games.

Gone are the days when we only wore an away kit if we played Wolves!

True, we are ALWAYS contractually obliged to wear the third kit around 3 times at least, or something along those lines.

Anyway... We'll see if the Fergie thing is true when we play in it. Entirely possibly that passes can go astray if a team is wearing a yellow/green kit or a red kit too...

If Fergie's theory is correct, let's hope at least 7 of our players are colour blind.

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17 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Imo those that design kits that are not bright need to get a memo from the club, or maybe the remit from the club to the designers should stipulate bright kits.  Anyone who has ever played football knows that the brighter the kit, the easier it is to pick fellow team mates out. 

Dark grey is potty.

 

Surely that applies to any team sport, like rugby for instance? The all blacks seem to manage ok.

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Watford have a half/half yellow and black shirt and black shorts.....whilst Wolves also have black shorts so you wouldnt think we'd be wearing this 3rd there?.....and in Wolves case I actually think our home kit would be less of a clash than the red kit.

......I suppose we'll just see these 2 change kits popping up at random intervals throughout the season

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58 minutes ago, BobLoz3 said:

True, we are ALWAYS contractually obliged to wear the third kit around 3 times at least, or something along those lines.

Anyway... We'll see if the Fergie thing is true when we play in it. Entirely possibly that passes can go astray if a team is wearing a yellow/green kit or a red kit too...

If Fergie's theory is correct, let's hope at least 7 of our players are colour blind.

Are we or has someone posted something on here that we have to and everyone takes that as gospel? 

Has anyone actually seen the Errea contract and can confirm that it's true and not just speculate that it's the case? 

I'm not asking to be argumentative just out of interest as surely the bit that's relevant to Errea is having their logo on it irrespective or colour; it's their logo that is the advertising bit not the colour of the shirt? 

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6 minutes ago, Rich T The Biscuit said:

Are we or has someone posted something on here that we have to and everyone takes that as gospel? 

Has anyone actually seen the Errea contract and can confirm that it's true and not just speculate that it's the case? 

I'm not asking to be argumentative just out of interest as surely the bit that's relevant to Errea is having their logo on it irrespective or colour; it's their logo that is the advertising bit not the colour of the shirt? 

No not at all.

It's the same every season, irrespective of who made the kit or who is sponsoring. There is always something in the contract to wear the third shirt. Can you name me a season in recent memory that we haven't worn the third kit at least a few times? Cup games etc.?

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3 minutes ago, BobLoz3 said:

No not at all.

It's the same every season, irrespective of who made the kit or who is sponsoring. There is always something in the contract to wear the third shirt. Can you name me a season in recent memory that we haven't worn the third kit at least a few times? Cup games etc.?

Nope, hasn't given it any thought but had I done I'd have guessed it was to increase sales of shirts as no one would buy a shirt that the club never wears. 

Assumed it was a club revenue thing not a contractual commitment, why would Errea care if we wear a third kit or not? 

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Assumed it was a club revenue thing not a contractual commitment, why would Errea care if we wear a third kit or not? 

I thought the same. Surely Errea do what we ask not the other way round?

 

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26 minutes ago, Rich T The Biscuit said:

Nope, hasn't given it any thought but had I done I'd have guessed it was to increase sales of shirts as no one would buy a shirt that the club never wears. 

Assumed it was a club revenue thing not a contractual commitment, why would Errea care if we wear a third kit or not? 

The way kit contracts work is the shirt manufacture pay a fixed fee to a club to licence the kit sales. Then when each shirt is sold about 85% - 90% of the money goes to the kit manufacturer. Norwich see very little return for each shirt sold - that money goes in the main to Errea - it is Norwich interest that lots of shirts are sold though, as that is used to determine the next time Norwich sign a contract with a kit maker. It is also a small part in the consideration when a shirt sponsor is making an offer to have their name on the kit. 

So when you buy a Norwich kit, nearly all the money goes to Errea, not Norwich City. 

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That's not the same for all teams though surely as I remember reading something about when Beckham signed for AC Milan they recouped his fee just on short sales, so if what you have just suggested is correct they must have sold billions of shirts? 

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I really like our first kit, it’s by far one of the best for a long while, the red kit has grown on me and I like the it, could have done with a black third colour in too.

The third kit had potential but to me it looks like a polo top from the club shop rather than a football top, I don’t really like it I have to say.

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4 minutes ago, Rich T The Biscuit said:

That's not the same for all teams though surely as I remember reading something about when Beckham signed for AC Milan they recouped his fee just on short sales, so if what you have just suggested is correct they must have sold billions of shirts? 

It is the industry standard. No club will recoup the money for a transfer on shirt sales - it is a lazy cliche that gets churred out, but isn't true.

What a club might do is make a considerably amount of money through commercial deals or increased sponsorship - although a percentage of that money would be due to the player involved.

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1 hour ago, Woodman said:

The kit in question - and 3 of the best players of the time...

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One of the best kits Man U had in my opinion!

Ours is darker... Does that still mean the players won't be able to see it?

Of course it doesn't.

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