The Positive Brexit Thread

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

Wales, just £329m to make up. 😲

 

[horsefly 4,318]

56 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Wales, just £329m to make up. 😲

 

Good Lord! You're surely not saying the Tories lied about brexit are you? I must go and ask all those farmers, fishermen and SME owners what they think of the promises made to them.

[BigFish 1,988]

 

Another crooked Brexiteer bites the dust.....

[PurpleCanary 5,585]

16 minutes ago, BigFish said:

 

Another crooked Brexiteer bites the dust.....

That is heartbreaking. the idiot who said only a madman would leave the single market. Actually he said 'the market' but in the context of the quote he was obviously saying the UK would keep its very beneficial access to the single market:

'Only a madman would actually leave the market. It's not the EU, which is a political organisation, delivering the prosperity and buying our goods. It's the market. It's the members of the market and we will carry on trading with the market. Are we really suggesting that the fifth largest economy in the world is not going to come to a satisfactory trading arrangement with the EU? Are we going to be like Sudan and North Korea? I mean, it's ludicrous this idea that we are going to leap off a cliff into a dark space. We will carry on trading'."

And as to the apparent ludicrousness of the idea that the UK would not come to a good trading deal with the EU...

 

[horsefly 4,318]

22 minutes ago, BigFish said:

 

Another crooked Brexiteer bites the dust.....

I might start believing that God exists. But only if Johnson resigned too.

[Herman 9,829]

24 minutes ago, BigFish said:

 

Another crooked Brexiteer bites the dust.....

Oh dear, how sad, nevermind. 🤣

[sonyc 5,541]

3 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Wales, just £329m to make up. 😲

 

They (Senedd) really feel misled and stitched up by the promises made by the UK government and Leave.

I follow quite a bit of all things Welsh on Twitter and there are even more rumblings about independence than usual. 

Division is the longer term outcome of any divorce of course but this single issue will take a long time to heal (decades). Unless it never does. 

Going it alone (especially with a cocky attitude that underlies the UK approach to things) is counter to what the country needs right now (you could argue the world too).

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Welsh Tories say "the fantastic new fund".

Well it is new but that is where the similarity ends.

[Yellow Fever 3,839]

2 hours ago, BigFish said:

 

Another crooked Brexiteer bites the dust.....

 

By his recent actions lobbying and not realizing even now what he's done wrong he has clearly shown he lacks any judgement - not a surprise really and par for the course for any avid Brexiteer.

[BigFish 1,988]

18 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

By his recent actions lobbying and not realizing even now what he's done wrong he has clearly shown he lacks any judgement - not a surprise really and par for the course for any avid Brexiteer.

 

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

7 minutes ago, BigFish said:

 

 

My right honourable friend has brought a tear to my eye. His sincerity is so moving😂😂

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

And so they continue with the 'don't like the result? just change the rules' culture.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-05/u-k-tweaks-the-math-after-trade-study-shows-pain-for-n-ireland

Faced with the unpalatable conclusion that the U.K.’s free-trade deal with Australia would further harm Brexit-hit Northern Ireland, Boris Johnson’s officials simply changed how they crunch the numbers.

The result is the government’s yet-to-be published analysis of the Australia accord will now show a positive impact, a person familiar with the matter said on condition of anonymity. 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Yes. Government now is basically QED. I've said it so it is proved.

Brexit will work because I said so.

The French are wrong because I said so.

HS2 is necessary because I said so.

Covid is just flu because I said so.

Edited November 5, 2021 by keelansgrandad

[horsefly 4,318]

Wow! This has been released by the government's own National Audit Office

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-red-tape-knocks-17bn-off-uk-trade-with-eu-in-just-three-months-watchdog-finds/ar-AAQkImv?ocid=msedgntp

Brexit red tape knocks £17bn off UK trade with EU in just three months, watchdog finds

Brexit swiped £17bn from UK trade with the EU in just three months as new costs and red tape punished businesses, a spending watchdog has found.

Firms also filled in an extraordinary 48 million customs declarations and 140,000 export health certificates in the eight months after the UK left the single market and customs union, the National Audit Office (NAO) finds.

Its report raises the alarm over the government shelving import controls, warning it could face action for not “complying with international trading rules” – while UK exporters are put at a “disadvantage”.

But it also warns some of 41 ports needing upgrades might not have been ready if the controls had been introduced this year and that traders will still face “significant risks” when they are.

The verdict comes as the economic damage from leaving the EU becomes clearer – after the Office for Budget Responsibility said GDP will fall by 4 per cent, twice the loss from the Covid pandemic.

Since what Boris Johnson called his “excellent” trade deal came into force on 1 January, exporters have protested that the absence of tariffs is masking huge costs and barriers.

The NAO report agrees that – far from being “teething problems”, as ministers claimed – there are “extra burdens” both at the border and “elsewhere in the supply chain”.

Edited November 5, 2021 by horsefly

[PurpleCanary 5,585]

3 hours ago, BigFish said:

 

 

And those quotes prove, as said above, that when he said only a madman would leave the market he meant the single market. He was dissembling (a posh word for lying) when) when he later claimed he somehow wasn't talking about the SM. He is right about something not existing, but it isn't the single market. It is his integrity and his political career.

[PurpleCanary 5,585]

On 14/10/2021 at 13:56, horsefly said:

Cummings' claim that the government never intended to honour the brexit deal they signed has been backed up by evidence from another politician:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-news-live-pm-promised-to-tear-up-ni-protocol-dup-politician-claims-as-eu-seeks-to-break-impasse/ar-AAPuZzZ?ocid=msedgntp

Boris Johnson personally promised that the Northern Ireland protocol would be ditched, a senior DUP politician has claimed.

The comments made by Ian Paisley Jr followed Dominic Cummings’ suggestion that No 10’s strategy was always to “ditch the bits we didn’t like”.

The DUP MP told BBC’s Newsnight: “Boris Johnson did tell me personally that he would, after agreeing to the protocol, he would sign up to changing that protocol and indeed tearing it up.”

Responding to MrCumm*ing’s earlier accusation, the shadow international secretary Emily Thornberry said it was “appalling” that the UK’s leaders could think about deceiving other countries during negotiations.

There was a new - to me - line on this the other day, which was that recently (probably at the climate change conference) Johnson had admitted to Macron that he had never intended to keep to the NI protocol. The last person you should tell that truth to would be Macron.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

There was a new - to me - line on this the other day, which was that recently (probably at the climate change conference) Johnson had admitted to Macron that he had never intended to keep to the NI protocol. The last person you should tell that truth to would be Macron.

That is Johnson's prime tactic. Do something even if its wrong, claim a success then move on to something while the chaos ensues. Of course he never intended the NI protocol to stand. It couldn't but should something happen it would be the intransigence of the EU rather than the unworkable protocol that would be he reason.

I thought Cameron was a like Walker in Dad's Army, a bit of a Spiv. But Johnson is the con artist who takes your life savings.

[horsefly 4,318]

More fishermen realise they were conned by brexit lies and wish they had never voted for it:

https://news.sky.com/story/post-brexit-fishing-rights-row-uk-and-france-both-being-hurt-by-dispute-12460824

[A Load of Squit 5,221]

Why are we still arguing about fish?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deals-australia-new-zealand-b1952442.html

UK’s Brexit losses more than 178 times bigger than trade deal gains

Exclusive: All trade deals combined worth less than 50p per person a year, analysis of government figures shows

[Well b back 3,281]

Looks like the oven ready deal is still in the oven and burning

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59198125

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Boris will invoke Article 16 just in time to get a booze cruise between Dublin and Belfast.

[Yellow Fever 3,839]

3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

Boris will invoke Article 16 just in time to get a booze cruise between Dublin and Belfast.

He needs to stir up the anti EU lot to keep himself popular - it's a wonderful distraction for the ill informed. Jingoistic rabble rousing needs an enemy.

I suspect the EU will simply fully call his bluff having had enough and put the whole shebang on 12 months notice - yes 12 months to go to full no deal worst case scenario. Tick tock. Should give time for Nissan, BMW, City, Farmers, new NI hard border (plus US sanctions) if they can to make alternative arrangements. Don't forget to  switch the lights off when you leave if the French haven't done it already. 

 

[sonyc 5,541]

Latest 'happy' story of companies leaving the UK by registering abroad. Estonia the latest beneficiary:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/world/europe/uk-brexit-estonia-business.html

Brain Drain From Britain Delivers Financial Boon to Estonia

The former Soviet satellite state is welcoming British companies looking to escape the tangle of regulations and financial obstacles of doing business in Europe.

At first Vicky Brock struggled to place Estonia on the map. And when she flew to the Baltic nation last December, she took just hand luggage, assuming it would be a short trip.

Eleven months later Ms. Brock, a British technology entrepreneur, is still there, living and working in the former Soviet satellite state as what she calls a “Brexit refugee.”

Ms. Brock split her Scotland-based start-up and set up half of it to operate in Estonia, a country of 1.3 million people that is welcoming companies looking to escape the tangle of regulations and financial obstacles that Brexit imposes on British firms doing business in Europe.

Several thousand other company leaders have done the same, some physically moving like Ms. Brock but most staying in Britain while shifting their business registration to Estonia. By doing so, they can take advantage of the country’s membership in the European Union and therefore gain something Britain has lost: free access to the bloc’s giant single market of more than 400 million people.

Their departure is a stark example of one of the negative impacts of Brexit, which critics say ties up exporters with mountains of new paperwork, imposes new restrictions on trade and limits their ability to recruit workers from abroad.

For Estonia, the influx of British businesses, especially technology firms, has contributed to a big jump in tax revenues and reinforced the country’s reputation as a hub of innovation.

The situation is a striking turnaround for a country that, like other Baltic States, suffered an exodus of some of its brightest young workers after 2004, when joining the European Union gave its citizens the right to live and work in Britain, then a member country.

[SwindonCanary 455]

The less deals we do with the EU the better 

[horsefly 4,318]

2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

The less deals we do with the EU the better 

Great idea! Bankrupt the country and throw hundreds of thousands of UK citizens out of work. Pure genius!

[Well b back 3,281]

3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

The less deals we do with the EU the better 

That’s f***** our football then.

[SwindonCanary 455]

There's a whole world to trade with, it should not be kept to the EU 

[Herman 9,829]

7 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

There's a whole world to trade with, it should not be kept to the EU 

It wasn't. Stop being a helmet.

[Herman 9,829]

Oh dear, how sad etc.

 

[Van wink 2,994]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

Oh dear, how sad etc.

 

Green gain from Tory loss.