Nothing will change

[Guest]

Watching the France v England game.

England awarded a penalty. They are trialling video refereeing for such situations.

Two independent officials award the penalty and they send Varane off.

And still the French players argued afterwards and walked away shaking their heads.

What is the point?

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="keelansgrandad"]Watching the France v England game.

England awarded a penalty. They are trialling video refereeing for such situations.

Two independent officials award the penalty and they send Varane off.

And still the French players argued afterwards and walked away shaking their heads.

What is the point?[/quote]In competitive matches I think it will work quite well. I think the French were more frustrated at the sending off because it was a friendly. No need to issue a red card in a friendly for something like that, particularly when we get a penalty anyway. It''s just that they had to show the technology to be working - under normal circumstances a ref would use common sense in a friendly match and just issue a yellow.

[JF 694]

And now we''re losing to 10 men!

[FCC 94]

2 atrocious performances. So slow and dull, creating nothing. Why can''t we play at pace?

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="FCC"]2 atrocious performances. So slow and dull, creating nothing. Why can''t we play at pace?[/quote]Because England.

[Iwans Big Toe 382]

[quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="FCC"]2 atrocious performances. So slow and dull, creating nothing. Why can''t we play at pace?[/quote]Because England.[/quote]Like the OP said nothing will change.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="Iwans Big Toe"][quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="FCC"]2 atrocious performances. So slow and dull, creating nothing. Why can''t we play at pace?[/quote]Because England.[/quote]Like the OP said nothing will change.[/quote]I''m currently reading ''Inverting the Pyramid: The History of Football Tactics'' by Jonathan Wilson, which, among many other things, offers a great deal of insight into our historical complacency and reliance upon physicality ahead of technique. I have no optimism for England to achieve anything in the next generation, irrespective of the U20s'' recent World Cup win. We are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past as long as the game is run by effete old duffers still dining out on 1966.

[Lessingham Canary 108]

Gareth Southgate, talks the talk, but does he walk the walk ?

[Hucks6 186]

Two things are sure as eggs are eggs we always qualify for major tournaments and come home early( I know tonight''s game wasn''t a qualifying game) but ha ho same old England

[Guest]

Did we have a midfield for that second half?

[Branston Pickle 4,145]

England need to find a decent back line or we''re toast in the World Cup, that''s 5 poor goals in 2 games; maybe players are weary but that is little solace given that the WC starts in a year and a day, the same players will presumably look as off the pace then as they do now.

[Tumbleweed 106]

No pace, no movement, no inspiration, no energy, no creativity. Poor.

Southgate is a young Roy Hodgson. Sterile appointment.

Anyone thinking Phil Jones should be anywhere near international football is stuck in a nightmare past of slow utility men who huff and puff while being laughably exposed by anyone with pace or skill.

[GJP 79]

Jones was the best of the three central defenders, not that that says much.

Problem with him is that he never stays fit.

[hogesar 10,761]

The fact Jones was our best defender and Sterling our best attacker speaks volumes.

On top of that, we played Oxlaide as a holding midfielder.

The f*ck guys, the f*ck

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

Meh, pre-season friendly with a team of fringe-ish players in a formation many of them have never played.

As always, reading too much into a friendly, positively or negatively is a fools game.

As for ''nothing changing'', the work being undertaken at St George''s to modernise English football and develop new coaches and players is world leading. It obviously won''t happen overnight, but the FA are pushing to the maximum of their power to install a better level of coaching. They have much less power of course than many other national football bodies over what they can actually do, but there are a lot of positive signs - the U20s World Cup being one of them.

Will be interesting to see how the U21s do, but many of those players haven''t had much of the benefits of the new systems that were implemented recently.

[ROBFLECK 134]

Even here the money plays a part...!

Playing for your country does not have the same ring to it as it used to do, players are not motivated as they should be...and: season''s over , they wanna go on holiday...

They earn a bucket load of money by playing for their clubs , so the priority is club football... The £ they earn by playing 4 their country pales into insignificance to the money they get at their clubs.

Not saying it''s the main reason, but it has something to do with it imo

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="ROBFLECK"]Even here the money plays a part...!

Playing for your country does not have the same ring to it as it used to do, players are not motivated as they should be...and: season''s over , they wanna go on holiday...

They earn a bucket load of money by playing for their clubs , so the priority is club football... The £ they earn by playing 4 their country pales into insignificance to the money they get at their clubs.

Not saying it''s the main reason, but it has something to do with it imo[/quote]

Probably but who can say they would be different. It''s all very well to expect different standards from footballers but not many folk don''t put themselves and families first. Of course I cleaned bogs and called bingo for the love of it but still went on holiday [:)]

[ron obvious 1,711]

We seemed to run completely out of energy soon after we scored the pen. France, conversely, were like last year''s Leicester. On steroids.