firststeps 0 Posted November 28, 2015 Environment issues aside, surely by the time they have driven to the airport, got checked in with baggage, got to the other end, disembarked, traveled to the hotel the time would be approximately the same as a coach journey? I regularly go to Islington, it''s well under two hours! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wazzock 902 Posted November 28, 2015 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenals-14-minute-flight-to-norwich-match-branded-ridiculous-and-embarrassing-by-environmental-a3125066.htmlLove the bit that says “I’m a life-long Gooner so I’m used to being occasionally embarrassed by my team, but I prefer them to wait until after kick-off before humiliating their supporters. “Don’t fly to Norwich, the Canaries aren''t worth it.”... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,746 Posted November 28, 2015 Just remember that you can always tell a Londoner but not a lot ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 501 Posted November 28, 2015 Perhaps they''ve heard the French Farmers are going to blockade the A11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldRobert 38 Posted November 28, 2015 Sorry to see they don''t think we''re worth it. Don''t turn up then, and we''ll take the three points. Arrogant pig. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted November 28, 2015 Maybe they''ve been reading the negative comments on this message board and are convinced they are going to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 Exactly what environmental damage will be incurred by a 14 minute flight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted November 28, 2015 [quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]Exactly what environmental damage will be incurred by a 14 minute flight?[/quote]Well an aeroplane has big engines. These engines use a lot of fuel to run. A large amount of this fuel is burnt during take off and landing. The burning of this fuel is not very pleasant for the air/environment. Whether a 14 minute plane trip is any more polluting than a 2 coach trip is up to you to find out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessingham Canary 99 Posted November 28, 2015 Simple fact; Airlines dump massive amounts of dangerous pollutants over our homes and into our atmosphere every day. This great but largely invisible harm will continue to grow at an accelerating rate in the years to come.Airplanes have three major problems: they are inefficient, they are big, and they run on toxic fuels. A fully laden A380, according to its’ engine maker Rolls Royce, uses as much energy as 3,500 family cars,And Arsenal can get to Norwich quicker than i can, with me living in a NR postcode, crazy !! and they came 2 days before the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ca 1 Posted November 28, 2015 Even worse they are making the 45 min drive from the Emirates to fly from Luton airport. Then an hour check in, 14 min flight, 20 min drive from Norwich Airport to Dunston HallMuch quicker in the coach - pampered prima donnas.Out of all the premier teams I really hate everything about Arsenal and Chelsea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessingham Canary 99 Posted November 28, 2015 Its Bonkers, just bonkers...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 Ha ha, so you think earth can''t absorb a bit of engine exhaust? The nonsense about tons of dangerous toxins dumped on our homes is laughable too. Likely hypocritical too. Guess what! Earth is big. Earth can handle it. It manages self induced volcanoes, i think it can manage air traffic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessingham Canary 99 Posted November 28, 2015 Would love to get into a debate with you Gainer, but gotta fly........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted November 28, 2015 Slightly hypocritical yes, as we all like to go abroard, which tends to mean flying, if I could go by a cleaner way I would, but a 14 minute trip is highly unnecessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannana Boy 30 Posted November 28, 2015 @gainer - Your scepticism should be admired. Without such scepticism our race would likely still believe that we lived on a flat, 7000 year old planet at the centre of the solar system. You would live wherever your ancestors lived because it would be patently obvious that if one were to sail past the horizon, the ship would fall off the edge of the Earth. It would be safe to assume that female humans had more in common with ribs, than with great apes.You are also correct when you say the Earth is able to cope with natural events - such as volcanoes. However - the ''coping'' with the effects of such events leads to massive, global, climate change (the USGS has a good overview here https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php). I guess an adequate analogy would be when you get ManFlu. Your body copes with it, and you don''t die, but you feel blummin awful.Please note - I don''t, for one second, subscribe to BS ''theories'' regarding the Earth being a living entity. The illness stuff was just an analogy.Now - man made climate change has a lot of deniers. For no reason, to be honest. By your own admission you are happy that the Earth deals with volcanoes (ruddy great exhaust pipes, if you will) and science can show, empirically, the effects of the gasses on climate. Human activity is dumping far greater levels of these gasses than volcanoes have ever done. The Earth is coping with the rubbish we pump into the atmosphere - but the consequence is climate change.I will concede that the levels of change are debatable, but the change itself is not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 You could travel by boat, or ignore your selfish desires to travel if you really think air travel is negatively affecting the planet. Whether flying from London to Norwich is unnecessary is a matter of opinion. If it somehow helps them or makes them more comfortable, then maybe it is necessary. They''ve certainly earned it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 Are you for real Level 14?Ever hear of Krakatoa? That affected the climate for a few years. Nothing humans do has. The flu is far more devastating to a person than pollution and volcanoes are to Earth. Science cannot show rmpircally anything regarding human impact on climate. That''s why so many people think all this is more liberal guilt nonsense, like every other Western-lifestyle caused impending disaster turned out to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,746 Posted November 28, 2015 Lessons on Earth''s carbon footprint from a Yank....best i not say anything else. [:#] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannana Boy 30 Posted November 28, 2015 @gainer I''m not sure if you''re trolling, deliberately misunderstanding or just a bit ''slow''.Yes, I have heard of krakatoa. And it proves my point.....Large amounts of greenhouse gasses pumped into the atmosphere changed the climate.Why haven''t the gasses human''s are pumping into the atmosphere had such a dramatic effect (mini-ice age, for instance). This is quite a simple one. It is because of the volume spread over time. This is why for example we''re seeing temperatures rising slowly.''Science cannot show rmpircally(sic) anything regarding human impact on climate''. Yes, it can. And has done. And continues to. Just because you don''t believe it, either through choice or because you don''t understand the data, doesn''t invalidate it. See rising temperatures, or melting ice. You know, things you can measure (hence empirically).''Liberal guilt nonsense'' Happy to go along with that to a degree. Why do I recycle and not own a car? Essentially because I know that my actions have negative impact on the environment despite that fact I know full well that I''m pi$$ing in the wind (mainly due to fat Americans driving SUVs when they could walk and China building bijillions of coal fired power stations).I also suspect that a lot of the ''Liberal guilt nonsense'' stems from a wish to have energy independence. If we use less fuel, we have to rely less on Sheiks, Russians and Nigerians (or those pesky Norwegians). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted November 28, 2015 [quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]You could travel by boat, or ignore your selfish desires to travel if you really think air travel is negatively affecting the planet. Whether flying from London to Norwich is unnecessary is a matter of opinion. If it somehow helps them or makes them more comfortable, then maybe it is necessary. They''ve certainly earned it.[/quote]As I''ve said I''m being hypocritical because I do fly, because the places I want to go aren''t easily accessible by boat unless I have months of holiday and tonnes of cash.If you think a 14 minute flight is necessary then that''s your opinion. All I''ll say is that it would be just as quick and relaxing to jump on a coach and be escorted door to door, and less air pollution, than to frig about with airports etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firststeps 0 Posted November 28, 2015 I''m thinking your first assumption is the correct one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 312 Posted November 28, 2015 Also... Man Bear Pig!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 There is coincidence and there is empirical evidence. Temperatures fluctuate. Hyperbolic nonsense doesn''t cause it. Krakatoa actually disproves your point. The sudden impact haf an immediate (relatively speaking) impact which dissipated fairly quickly (relatively speaking once again). Earth healed itself. Anything we''re adding is happening far too slowly to have any widespread impact. It gets absorbed much like the gasses from the volcano. I do admire your commitment to the cause. It''s rare to see global warming types actually do much of anything beyond complain and demand others make changes. There are plenty of fat Brits driving around too, and have you noticed how many of the increasing number of Chinese tourists are looking quite chunky? We''re fat and happy, thanks to the free market. Herman, Arsenal obviously disagree with you about convenience and comfort (and who knows, maybe safety?). It''s quite likely they don''t have to go through similar screening at the airport. Is it a private or chartered jet they were on? Even if not, being rich and famous gets them thru quickly to avoid crowds of onlookers jamming up the terminal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 Man Bear Pig! HAH! Good stuff, IBT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted November 28, 2015 [quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]There are plenty of fat Brits driving around too, and have you noticed how many of the increasing number of Chinese tourists are looking quite chunky? We''re fat and happy, thanks to the free market.[/quote]No further questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,332 Posted November 28, 2015 [quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]There is coincidence and there is empirical evidence. Temperatures fluctuate. Hyperbolic nonsense doesn''t cause it. Krakatoa actually disproves your point. The sudden impact haf an immediate (relatively speaking) impact which dissipated fairly quickly (relatively speaking once again). Earth healed itself. Anything we''re adding is happening far too slowly to have any widespread impact. It gets absorbed much like the gasses from the volcano. I do admire your commitment to the cause. It''s rare to see global warming types actually do much of anything beyond complain and demand others make changes. There are plenty of fat Brits driving around too, and have you noticed how many of the increasing number of Chinese tourists are looking quite chunky? We''re fat and happy, thanks to the free market. Herman, Arsenal obviously disagree with you about convenience and comfort (and who knows, maybe safety?). It''s quite likely they don''t have to go through similar screening at the airport. Is it a private or chartered jet they were on? Even if not, being rich and famous gets them thru quickly to avoid crowds of onlookers jamming up the terminal.[/quote]Everybody has to go through the airport screenings, Houston, even highly paid footballers. I was made aware of that the last time I traveled international, as the lady who accompanied me from checkin to the plane had to go through exactly the same security procedures as I did.I asked her about it as she removed the handcuffs and she said ''No exceptions'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 501 Posted November 28, 2015 Lets hope we get some global warming Sunday as it''s supposed to be bloody freezing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 If it''s a private jet, they probably have quicker means of checking thru. Plus this was domestic. Pre-screening for example. Or they pay extra to have a check point to themselves. Not likely they''re mingling with the riff raff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The ghost of Michael Theoklitos 0 Posted November 28, 2015 [quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]Are you for real Level 14?Ever hear of Krakatoa? That affected the climate for a few years. Nothing humans do has. The flu is far more devastating to a person than pollution and volcanoes are to Earth. Science cannot show rmpircally anything regarding human impact on climate. That''s why so many people think all this is more liberal guilt nonsense, like every other Western-lifestyle caused impending disaster turned out to be.[/quote]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg97% of scientist in the field believe that climate change is man made.I''ll stick to the experts, rather than the 25% of Americans who are ''wrong about something''.But thanks for the ''science'' lesson. It was awesome! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted November 28, 2015 97% is a blatant lie perpetuated by you sheep too afraid to think for yourselves. Thanks for the fake stats, worst keeper ever guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites