Darth Catbeard The Old

I''m lost for words.... Plays attacking football? ''Knows the Championship''? . . .Would put fire in bellies? No he''d just p1ss all the players off by cracking the whip too often, this is 2014, it doesn''t work like that anymore. He''s finished as a manager, especially at a club like ours. If this was mid season and we were bottom of the Championship then err maybe

I bet there fans are thrilled ;)

It''s very difficult to build up a team up after having a negative, defensive, defeatist mindset and way of playing drilled into you for so long. You can see the difference in Adams'' approach most of the time but the players will occasionally still stand off or forget to press or pass it backwards in fear of making a mistake that''s still ingrained in them from the old way of playing and it takes a long time to shake that off. Teams always look shakey when trying to go from a negative to positive approach Teams often struggle after sacking a negative, turgid defensive manager. But just as an aside, I feel there is a place in the game for managers like Pulis/Allardyce that achieve results by playing a very basic, agricultural, long ball game built around a well drilled defense. But fans will never accept ultra cautious, just plain negative football that doesn''t achieve results such as the one that the likes of Hughton/Mcleish etc drill into teams.

What the hell are you lot talking about? The Championship does not have bigger, stronger, more athletic defenders than this league! Neither did League 1 when people claimed that league is full of cloggers! They might be stockier, but they''ll be nowhere near as strong, fast or intelligent as the defenders in this league. Ricky wouldn''t need to be physical, Hoolahan never was to flourish, you just need to move well and be intelligent. For all his faults you can''t argue he does pull defenders out of position and keep them on their toes, I think he''d be useful in the Championship and maybe net 10-15 goals but that wouldn''t be worth his big wages. Whether he wants to stay or not an offer of about 3-4 million would probably temp me to get rid

My Shortlist would be Rosler Jol Adkins Mackay In that order. I accept the first 2 might be difficult to persuade to come to us but we shouldn''t have a problem with the other 2. We''re a slightly bigger and currently richer club than Reading, and we have a better team so we could temp Adkins away and I''m sure Mackay would jump at the chance to manage us. In the Championship I wouldn''t consider anyone else, however if we stay up the only one I''d want from that list is Rosler

In my opinion if you accept that we''ll lose a few of our better players and factor in how low fan moral is low and we''re unlikely to find a manager as right for us as Lambert was, we''re finishing this season a weaker team than the one that finished the league 1 season. In all aspects apart from finance of course which is why I''m saying I hope we did hold back finds in case we wen''t down because without decent investment or another lucky Lambert like appointment I think 12-8th is about as best as we could hope for if we just kept most of the team with one or two cheap additions. I doubt it though, we were just being stingy and complacent this year, this relegation was never expected by the board.

[quote user="morty"]I''ll just throw this into the mix, but I have heard that Ewen Chester will not be at the club next season.[/quote] Good riddance! Our foreign signings have all been shocking! RVW and Hooper are not good enough for this level. Elmander is and always has been completely unsuited to this league despite not being an awful player.Fer is far too lazy and mentally weak to succeed in the EPL and his head drops as soon as we concede the first free kick. Tettey is no better than Johnson, Garrido is rubbish etc He''s either a very poor scout or hasn''t been putting a shift in

We got it wrong from top to bottom. A very average limited manager with an abhorrent footballing philosophy was kept on far too long by a complacent, weak minded board. The scouting team failed miserably with the players we attempted to sign. For some reason we abandoned signing players with a a lot of character and mental strength and suddenly started going down the mercenary route while at the same time not improving the quality of the team one bit. Lastly this team, in the right hands should not get relegated from this league, but they are on the whole, the most spineless, disinterested, lazy bunch of losers i''ve seen assembled into a team here. I can forgive lack of quality, but never a lack of effort or commitment

Yes, we''re getting relegated this year because of stubbornness and complacency from the board and sheer laziness and lack of interest from the playing squad. This relegation has nothing to do with the size of our club or finances, of course we would have gone down eventually but everyone''s p155ed because this one was so avoidable! We had 10 million left over from summer, how the hell the board just sat in their arse oblivious to the trajectory we were heading and failed to at least either remove the management team or buy at least one bloody player that would actually improve us, this is the most sickening relegation I''ve experienced so far

[quote user="crabbycanary"]So was the Lambert years experience, because we were winning games, or purely down to the hard working bit DCTO?[/quote] Both, we loved that team because they gave it their all every game and never gave up. No way in hell did we have the second best team in The Championship that year, we got promoted because we were the hardest working team in that league and we scored a lot of late goals because of our high fitness levels and because we never let our heads drop, there was a reason we won so much

My shortlist would be Rosler Adkins (We a bigger and richer club than both Reading and Wigan, they''d come!) Mackay Hoddle Lennon wouldn''t come if we''re in the Championship and what the hell has he achieved in management anyway!?

If you live far away from Norwich or are too poor to go to many games then yes, it''s a nightmare. For regulars no, once the optimism comes back after hopefully a decent summer and a few early wins, we''ll all be as happy as we''ve ever been. To be completely honest, since supporting from like ''97 our league one and championship years under Lambert were my favourite supporting thus club by a long way. An obviously quality manager and a hard working, identifiable team is much better for fan harmony than simply competing in a higher league. I''m looking forward to next season to be honest, hopefully after we clear out these lazy wasters that don''t deserve to wear the shirt.

Adams won''t be in charge now, especially after Saturday so we''ll get a new manager for definite. Hopefully Rosler or Adkins. And I agree, with how mentally weak and lazy this squad is on the whole we need to re build completely and start again or we''ll do a Blackburn/Bolton mid table job

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]So Darth "he (Snodgrass) doesn''t offer much in an attacking sense at all" but you think it will take a miracle for us to keep him![/quote] At this level and he wouldn''t need to in an Allardyce team, he''s brilliant at winning free kicks and pretty good at defending. Also in Celtics team in that league he would offer a hell of a lot, also one of the things I like about him is he seems to love winning above anything else, something he''d do a lot up there. Also I kinda agree that he''s over rated, probably by a few clubs as well, make no mistake, despite his flaws we will be getting bids for him

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]Do you really think it will take a miracle for us to keep Snodgrass? Which of the top sides do you think would want him? If he leaves us he will go to Celtic, not the Premiership. Everyone seems to be overvaluing his contribution to the team. Yes, his attitude seems to be very good, he is passionate and he works very hard for the team. But he has played on the right wing all season. What is it you look for in a winger and what is it that Snodgrass has given us as a winger?[/quote] I think we''d struggle, especially with West Ham interested and I could totally he him going there, he''d fit like a glove. At this level? Meh, he works hard, tracks back well, scores goals and occasionally takes a decent free kick but I''d agree he doesn''t offer much in an attacking sense at all. But I''m thinking about in the league below where I believe he will be exceptional as he was before. The weaker opposition will let us play higher up the pitch which will negate his lack of pace and he''ll get double the amount of opportunities to put a decent cross in. He might look even better if we manage to get a striker with even a basic level of positional sense and predatory instinct to get on the end of them unlike our current bunch of wasters

I doubt we could have kept him unless we got rid of Hughton and moved the stadium somewhere up north :P He was just as good in his last year as he was in the 3 previous. 8 goals in an even more negative Hughton team than the one this year was a brilliant achievement. He''s a Carlisle fan not a Norwich fan and I completely understood why he wanted to leave and still a complete legend in my eyes. But yes it would have made a difference, putting him on like 50k a week might just have persuaded him to stay but that would have seemed like madness and we all thought our two new strikers were decent back then so was never gonna happen, letting go of Holt is not something I blame the club for

As I''ve said before I really couldn''t care less as long as we keep Snodgrass, Ruddy and Olsson and maybe Martin, Turner and E Bennet. There''s a poisonous, negative, carefree, losing mentality ingrained in this group of players and we''d suffer a relegation hangover without a doubt, this failure of a squad needs to be ripped up for the most part. The main task is unloading the mercenaries with the poorest attitude ie Bassong, Fer, Pilkington, Whittaker, Hoolahan etc I said I wanted Snodgrass but it would take a miracle to keep him here so: Ruddy R Martin Turner Bennett Olsson *Harry Arter* *Danny Guthrie* Bennet *Dale Jennings* *Assombalonga* Hooper Subs Rudd Surman Johnson Murphy and 3 new signings Would be well happy to see that team line up on the first day next year

Complacency and laziness from the players and short sighted denial from the board are why we''re going down. It was all so avoidable By January the board should have sussed that either Hughton or the team wasn''t good enough so instead of replacing the manager or buying some new players we sat on our arse and did nothing BLAH BLAH BLAH 10 game run BLAH BLAH BLAH 11the last year. You don''t need some foreign lunatic pumping millions into the club to survive in this league. All you need is a decent manager, players with the right mentality (A policy we had and completely abandoned as soon as Lambert left) and to invest every window, in some way, to at least keep up with our rivals. Focus our efforts on getting the right manager and trying to keep Ruddy, Snodgrass and Olsson next year. Sod the rest of those useless lazy, thick wasters and rebuild. If they go, who cares, if they stay and still underperform then let them rot out of the team

I want to see this team ripped apart and rebuild regardless of what league we''re in. The sheer apathy, disinterest and laziness of this group is unbelievable. Try our best to keep Ruddy, Olsson and Snodgrass and sod the rest, none of them are premiership class players and most have a shockingly bad attitude. We deserve to be relegated after buying so poorly and then failing to do anything about it in January...Yet more complacency and ineptitude, we''re as poorly run as we''ve ever been and just got lucky with Lambert

*Manages

[quote user="my2ndteam"]This performance has nothing to do with Hughton. What are you talking about![/quote] Fu(k off and follow whatever team Hughton supports next as your second team then you moron. Unless you''ve watched all the games like us lot your opinion is completely invalid. Hughton worked to install an insipid negative, defensive mindset into the players and it''s going to take a while to shake off. But of course you won''t hear that because you''re too blinded by how the media has convinced you what a nice bloke Hughton is and you still feel sorry for his Newcastle sacking, do one!

Our biggest problem is center midfield, Fer couldn''t give a rats arse and needs to be taken off asap and Johnson is nowhere near good enough for this level to play as part of a 2. I''ve defended him so far but Adams has got it badly wrong so far today

Yep, further evidence of the obvious corruption in football. He''s been given instructions to give them penalties and chances if he can and foul us up in their part of the pitch whenever he gets the chance. The FA want Man Utd put in a better light since the Moyes sacking, they need to make it look justified so a win is needed to keep up the image of their ''brand'' Yea, we''ve been sh!t as well, but we don;t need further unfair handicaps

Looks like 35 points SHOULD be safety, no way will that awful Fulham team win the next 2

[quote user="splutcho"]I didn''t say that Hughton would have done better. Where did I mention him? I said Adams got it wrong at the start which resulted in conceding two goals, which he did, which he proved by changing it after the first ten minutes. Are you suggesting that Liverpool attack for the first 10 minutes and then go, that''s enough lads, we''ll let them play now?[/quote] I was saying that even with a safety first approach they would have most likely breached us at least once. They''ve got form for it and our defenders have always struggled against quick, technical attackers like they have. Adams'' diamond didn''t work for sure, I was just saying that wasn''t the reason they scored twice so early. And no, but part of their gameplan is to start at 100mph every game as if it''s the 89th minute and their losing then they after a while they settle the game down and try to control possession. In my opinion with their form no matter what we tried they''ve had got the early goals and I give massive credit to Adams and the team for switching tactics and getting the better of them once they settled into their rhythm