Rock The Boat

Always reminded me of Rin Tin Tin. Both fom Belgium

so proud.

[quote user="TheDuke"]We miss them dearly, especially Elliott. How they doing with you and the Premiership? [/quote] Why not come up to Carrow Road for a game? We''re a friendly bunch and you''d be made welcome. We can be your second fave team,if u like.

Banter is all part and parcel of a message board and makes it an interesting place to visit. But earlier this year there was some real nastiness that became very personal and stuff was mentioned about poster''s wives, for example, that had no place on a football forum. A lot of people left after that episode. Also a message board needs controversy, characters and differing opinions to make it interesting. I think Archant have made this a much duller place by banning certain topics of discussion and driving away some of the more colourful personalities, yet at the same time allow a few favourites to continue to post their continuous jibes a certain other posters. I think the older guys are the worst culprits.

[quote user="BroadstairsR"]Everybody: 8 Except Grant Holt: 28 [/quote] Agree 100% Holt was immense today. Most people mention his strength, his workrate and the talisman effect on his team mates. But he is also a very intelligent footballer. He makes great runs, takes up excellent positions, moves the ball really well, and reads what''s going on around him faster than other players. Today he left out a lot of the clinging-on and wrestling matches that he indulged in earlier in the season, and instead played to his footballing strengths As a result he gave us so many more options moving forward and creates more space for Morison to be simply a target man. His harrying of the defence means also that they don''t always clear their lines so well and often the ball goes to our midfield allowing us to press forward. Grant Holt''s presence lifted all our players around him and we turned in a performance a million miles away from last week''s no-show at Manchester City. Newcastle have had a fantastic start to the season but were second best to a great Norwich side.

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"] Norwich only had themselves to blame. Rarely has a team arrived at the Etihad Stadium with such a lack of ambition. Sums it up! [/quote] As I said -embarrassing

[quote user="star_manic"]by playing 4-5-1 or variants of this we rely on the midfield players getting forward when in attack to support the lone striker. unfortunately this is not happening as they all appear to have a totally defensive mindset so that morrison is totally isolated in attack.[/quote] Well it''s good to see some on here understanding my OP. Against Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool we played 4-5-1 where the midfield were quick to get forward with fast counter-attacking that caused the big boys all sorts of problems. In the past few weeks we''ve become jittery in midfield, it''s not a one-off against a super-team, it''s a trend that''s developing and needs sorting out quickly before a negative mindset sets in. Seeing antics like Ruddy on Saturday, isn''t going to help the players.  Rudolph H. gets it too, says it better than I can

[quote user="cityangel"] [quote user="TIL 1010"]The EDP and Evening News were also unavailable but it has now been Fixed.Somebody at Archant is an Asset to  the company.[;)][/quote] You''d think they would post some kind of apology when it was fixed, wouldn''t you ? [/quote] Careful CA or you''ll be next one banned.  

Just saying we haven''t won anything yet. It''s a bit early to start crowing when we''re not yet half-way through the season. Loose talk plays into the hands of BlueMike and his mates. You''re going to have to walk the gangplank, Nutty

Think you analysed in pretty well. Good call

[quote user="Herb"][quote user="Yellow Rages"][quote user="Yellow Rages"] I know you are not suppost to mention any negatives about our performances on this board but I do think that we did lay down and accept our fate a bit in the second half. Something we''ve not seen so far this season but deny it all you want, it did happen today. The gulf in class is obvious and something we can do nothing about but I''m sure Lambert will not be happy with the way we folded. [/quote] Right, just watched the game again on MOTD and sure enough just to confirm my initial thoughts, we gave in. Thought I''d have another look just incase I was caught up in the moment but no. Good example was Hoolihan strolling back after loosing the ball whilst TWO man city players ran past him for the 5th goal. Didn''t even bother to track either of them. I know I''m not supposed to pick up on anything our players do wrong and I''m sure I''ll be told I''m,casting doom, saying we''ll get relegated, a fair weather fan, fickle and all the other gut reactive nonsence that comes out when someone dares pick up on an area we need to improve on but as sure as Petr Czech wears a gimp mask now, we gave in today. Face it, understand it, move on. OTBC. [/quote] Get a grip. A few minutes of highlights on MOTD does not sum up a game. 2 of the goals were mistakes. We were well beaten by a very good Man City side. What part of that are you having trouble coming to terms with? [/quote] We''ve now played the traditional ''big five'' and of those we put in good performances against all except Man City. Even against Arsenal where the difference in class was obvious we put up a good show. Against United and Chelsea we gained plaudits from the press and commentators. The Liverpool game we battled fora well-deserved point. So this is how we have done against all those teams with money to burn. But on Saturday many of the players didn''t turn up. I can accept a 5-1 thumping if we put in a shift, but we didn''t and I doubt whether Lambert will be as accepting of that performance as some of the people on this board.   If it was a one-off then okay, weforget it and move on. But we''v seen below-par performances for several weeks now and that has to be considered a trend. It needs addressing quickly or we''re in for a long, hard winter. 

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Rock The Boat"][quote user="nutty nigel"] I wonder if BlueMike will pop in tonight[:^)]   If you do Mike......   How''s yer clock cock[O]     [/quote] There''s still a long way to go for both of our seasons. I don''t think we should get all cocky this side of Easter at least. [/quote] It don''t take much of a rock for you to jump ship buddy...     [/quote] Just keeping my feet firmly on the deck.

[quote user="K Lo"][quote user="Rock The Boat"] I don''t know why the team bothered to travel up to Manchester because today most of them didn''t bother to get off the bus once they arrived. There''s one thing about showing respect to the opposition but it''s a totally different matter going out there thinking you''re going to get beat. I thought we were the team that always gave it a go? Well today we didn''t. Apart from a five-minute flurry around the hour-mark substitution we had all the enthusiasm of a dentist''s waiting room. Yes we know it was Man City but if you''re going into the game with a never-say-win attitude you''re going to get rolled over. And we did. Our worst performance in the Premier League to date. We sat too deep.With dithered on the ball. We showed too much respect. Some of the team looked as though they would rather have been somewhere else at 3pm. And it was not a question of if but when will Man C.score.We just gave them three points on a plate this afternoon. Our attitude was all wrong. And what was wrong with Ruddy? Had a representative of a Far-Eastern betting ring approached him before kick-off? He was reponsible for four out of the five goals conceded, and his glaring fumbling of the ball for the second proves he has all the credentials for an England goalkeeper. Shockingly inept performance today. Hope it was a one-off.    [/quote] Go and "support" someone else. Just have a look at what Man City have done against other teams at home. We did better against them than Man U did. A £100+ million squad is what made Norwich''s performance look embarrasing to you, just as would a defeat of leaders of Ridgeon''s Premier division against, say, Sheffield United or whatever; the financial gap is less! [/quote] I would compare our performance today against our performance against Man Utd and Chelsea as a better comparison. In those two games we competed. Today we didn''t. Today our tactics was everyone behind the ball without any of the counter-attacking that we showed earlier in the season against the ''bigger'' teams. Be in denial if you wish/. 

[quote user="CantonsHero"]Wow. That is ridiculously over the top and damning. After Manchester United and Arsenal where we played well defensively and looked to do well on the break, we tried the same today. It didn''t work, as Man City are extremely organised defensively and it just meant they sucked up the pressure by playing their normal 4-5-1 from the half-way line. However, we played that strategy and while Man City were always likely to score, it took them a while. In the second half we had a real go at it, but were unfortunate and naive in places, and got picked apart. We moaned after Sunderland were decribed as poor, saying that they were poor because they were outclassed. The same with us today; Man City made us look poor because today it was like playing Barcelona. We didn''t stand a chance with whatever strategy we played because they have bought a wonderteam. Well done Morison.[/quote] Man City organised defensively?They didn''t have any defending to do today. And as for our great second half performance we conceded four goals comparedto the first half of only conceding one. Truth is we haven''t played well since Swansea. The QPR game we looked like two Championship sides. And Lambert still doesn''t know his best formation. The excuse will be well look who we were playing against but we looked like Sunday pub team. And Man City didn''t even need to get out of second gear.    

[quote user="nutty nigel"] I wonder if BlueMike will pop in tonight[:^)]   If you do Mike......   How''s yer clock cock[O]     [/quote] There''s still a long way to go for both of our seasons. I don''t think we should get all cocky this side of Easter at least.

I don''t know why the team bothered to travel up to Manchester because today most of them didn''t bother to get off the bus once they arrived. There''s one thing about showing respect to the opposition but it''s a totally different matter going out there thinking you''re going to get beat. I thought we were the team that always gave it a go? Well today we didn''t. Apart from a five-minute flurry around the hour-mark substitution we had all the enthusiasm of a dentist''s waiting room. Yes we know it was Man City but if you''re going into the game with a never-say-win attitude you''re going to get rolled over. And we did. Our worst performance in the Premier League to date. We sat too deep.With dithered on the ball. We showed too much respect. Some of the team looked as though they would rather have been somewhere else at 3pm. And it was not a question of if but when will Man C.score.We just gave them three points on a plate this afternoon. Our attitude was all wrong. And what was wrong with Ruddy? Had a representative of a Far-Eastern betting ring approached him before kick-off? He was reponsible for four out of the five goals conceded, and his glaring fumbling of the ball for the second proves he has all the credentials for an England goalkeeper. Shockingly inept performance today. Hope it was a one-off.   

Hucks,  I enjoyed reading your interviews as they often gave a behind-the-scenes look at the recent histories of NCFC and gave a viewpoint that we fans rarely ever saw. You''ve been promising a DS -no, not that one - interview for a while now but it never appeared. Shame because Dave Stringer was team manager during our best ever period and was a player during happy, simple times. Have you been jumped on from above to stop these interviews? If not, please continue.

Lee Clarke of Huddersfield is the next Paul Lambert.

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Some interesting stuff there. The club really does look like its heading in the right direction. The academy plan sounds brilliant, having one of the top academy''s in the country can only be a good thing. The way McNally (and Bowkett?) have been running the club in the past 2 1/2 years is amazing, despite spending a year in League One our finances seemed to improve more than they did when we were last in the premiership in the Doncaster era. Some things, like ticket prices might have upset a few fans but essentially the figures are there to prove its all worth it and were definatly moving in the right direction. A great time to be a NCFC fan.[/quote] Our whole ethos has changed since the Doncaster era. Remember the old ''prudence with ambition'' mantra which saw us investing in spine roads and non-football activities? A lot of posters on here were well behind Doncaster saying that we needed to invest off the field in order to provide us with a long-term revenue stream. What''s changed is that Bowkett and McNally blew away the myth of ''prudence with ambition'' and replaced it with a mantra "it''s all about the football, stupid'' to paraphrase former US president Bill Clinton. Now we''re concentrating on our core activity which is football. By getting into the Premiership the amount of income we generate from say, building a multi-storey car park, pales into insignificance against the income we get from just playing in the greatest league on earth. It''s proved the theory that if you focus on turning out a successful football team, everything else follows on from that. Planning for an elite academy demonstrates how proactive a club we have become, just as we target new signings. So kudos to Bowkett and McNally for driving us forward and preparing the groundwork for our long-term future. Kudos to Delia and the two Michaels for being in for the long-haul and seeing us through the bad times.

Paul Lambert quote at the AGM " “Arsenal were too good. .......I don’t think we are competing with them. I think we are competing with the ones around about us and the ones below us. That is our barometer – to see if we can compete with them. "   Seems like Sir Paul recognises the mini-league concept. Keep up the good work Canton, 10,000 views can''t be wrong.

[quote user="birchfest"]Also might I add that Ashton didnt jump ship immediatly, he did give us a chance and to be honest we hardly set the championship on fire in the first season we were down, its likely he saw that we were not going to be going back up and so who could blame him for wanting to return to the best league in the world. A huge club record fee came in that was likely irresitable to the previous regime and it was quickly spent on Earnshaw who at the time was a very prolific striker himself an could have potentially gotten us back up. We have to remember that although the players care about the club, they are no the die hard fans we are of the place... put yourself in a position, your a Norwich fan but a pro footballer, blackburn sign you up from league 1 to the prem and your pleased and greatfull for the oppitunity and loyal to their cause, however you get relegated. Then say Aston Villa come in with an offer to ad an extra 25% on to your wages and a return to the top flight... would you feel a massive loyalty to blackburn? Or would you take the oppitunity to get back to the highest level and earn more! We look at it as Norwich fans as if the players all have the Mr. Norwich City attitude of past players like Huckerby, yet in all honesty that really isnt the case, of course they care and of course they want to do well here, but they are by no means bound to the club in the same way we are! [/quote] It''s interesting to read Ashton''s interview with Hucks. It''s fairly clear that our board were more interested in 7.5 million than hanging on to Ashton. Let''s hope the current board doesn''t have the same attitude. BTW, why has Hucks stopped doing interviews? There were some very interesting inside track information in them. Did the powers-that-be object? BBTW, did anyone else notice that on Saturday against Arsenal, Paul Lambert spent a great deal of his time sitting in the dugout rather than patrolling his technical area? Had he, on some level accepted we were not as good as the opposition? Did this get through to the team?>  

[quote user="Gingerpele"]P.S signed it. And agree with you completely AJ. When people call Music, Film, Drama etc worthless or however else they want to describe it, they seem to forget that they (probably) will quite happily enjoy music, films, tv theatre etc. And certainly, to get into the film or TV industry now, you really need to know what your doing and also need to know the critical/theoretical side to it. If you won the lottery and fancied making a film, you couldn''t just go ahead and do it, you need to know how and believe me its not all that straight forward. So while you think it may be a waste of money funding degrees in such subject, but people doing these degrees are just as likely to do something worthwhile as people who did any kind of traditional degree. (In fact, the boyfriend of one of my house mates this year got a 2:1 Law degree at Kent University, and is currently working at a nightclub.....) Shyster maybe has a point, there probably are too many people doing degrees. Maybe the increased fees will put people off (probably what the government are hoping for). I remember this Aim Higher Bus coming to my high school, when I was in Year 9 or 10, think it was year 9. And they were saying how wonderful it is to go to Sixth form and university it will lead to a better job etc. And while, they or other sources may have also given advice on getting jobs, the emphasis at schools is clearly to stay in education for as long as possible. But now, so many people doing degrees its just as hard to get a job as it is if you leave school at 16. In my year doing FRTV, there is probably about 60-80 people. In one year, at one University. There will be hundreds, maybe even thousands of people graduating from Film/Media degrees in the year i graduate across the UK, and the year before that a similar number, and the year after a similar number. And there aren''t nearly enough jobs to cover it all. To be honest, being a not overly confidant person I''ve kind of given up on the idea of actually working in the film industry before i''ve even tried (and that attitude won''t get me anywhere either :P) because i''m nothing special in my year group, which in itself is probably nothing special either, now if I really try and push it i''m sure i''d get somewhere at some point, but still. Anyway, i''ve been going on for far too long about nothing important :P[/quote] So what, therefore, is the rationale behind spending large sums of taxpayers money to send kids on courses for 3-4 years when there is no hope of a job at the end of  it? Is it just to keep the unemployed statistics down? If you pay your own way, ie cover the costs 100% yourself, I have no problem with anyone doing any course they wish. However, if you''re being subsidised by taxpayers then we have a right to expect your education is an investment in the economic future of the country. And for the posters who say it is the end of arts in this country if themusic school closes, utter tosh. In fact ever since arts developed centuries ago, the private sector has always been the main benefactor of the arts. Whenever and wherever economies have flourished and produced supluses, so the arts have flourished. There is a strong correlation between surplus wealth and widespread arts and culture. In other words, arts have always done better in a thriving capatalist system than  in a socialist system.

[quote user="AJ Wizard"]re: rock the boat The closure of the music school is not because it hasn''t got successful potential financially, it''s because of poor management. Why is it posted here? Check the start of my first post. I''ve posted here for a long, long time. Way back when the pink''un forums were born. It disgusts me that people on here now try and turn an innocent ask for help into some kind of slagging and abusive merit. If you don''t want to sign, then don''t, but there''s no need to blight something that others may really care about.[/quote]   AJ, like you I really care, too. That''s why I posted. I care that we as a country don''t end up with massive debts that get passed on to our children''s and grandchildren generation to pay off. That''s where we''re headed and if it means sacrificing a music course for budding rock stars then that''sthe price that has to be paid. Surely, you can accept that our national debt has to be reduced? So where should we do it? In closing hospitals? I''m not someredneck who sees no value in arts, but it''s a question of prioritising our resources. If it makes you happy then I''m against subsidising opera for the same reason. So the music school is going to be closed because of poor management, you say? Not surprising, actually. Most state-run organisations are poorly managed because there is little incentive to implement good management. And if arts and culture do make a significant contribution to the national economy then let private enterprise take over the management of the music college. If it really does make contribution as you suggest then private enterprise will step in because that''s the way free markets works.   

[quote user="Eric Pickles Pie Supplier"] A quick glimpse into the future. Just hypothetical, like...... Dateline : Sun 13 May 2012. Time :16h45. The Place : The 18 yd box at Norwich City''s Barclay End.   Norwich City v Aston Villa. Score 0-0. Norwich are 2 pts from relegation and desperately need a winning goal to stay up.   Norwich''s no 9 Grant Holt is challenged by Villa''s Dunne, and goes down rather theatrically. The ref awards a penalty. Holt dusts himself down, takes the pen,and sends Villa keeper Shay Given the wrong way.  Two mins later the ref blows for full time, and Norwich will be playing Premier League football again in 2012-13.   Would the Holt bashers still be grumbling then ????? [/quote] Why not vary your scenario a little bit and ask thesame question. Suppose Bent goes down in the Norwich penalty area on the 90th minute and the resulting converted penalty sends City down to the Championship? Would everybody be on here saying "oh well never mind, that''s just football today?" I strongly suspect this messageboard would be full of posters calling Bent a cheat and demanding the FA look into it, demanding a rematch or whatever. To win by any means possible is not the Norwich way. If you win through cheating as Nutty Nigel appears to be condoning by saying ''win by whatever means possible'' is it really worth the prize. The cheaters obviously think so, but I for one wouldn''t want to be part of a club that saw nothing wrong in cheating. And once you accept that it'';s ok to cheat, so long as we''re the beneficiaries of the outcome,as many on here seem to be saying, then where do you draw the line? Why not offer a bung to the oppo goalie to throw the match,or bribe the ref to award us a couple of penalties? If that was the difference between us staying up, Mr. Pickles/Nutty Nigel, and going down to the Championship, presumably you will be happy that the end justifies the means?

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]BTW Banana, are you on your own or are you a member of a bunch of w@ nkers?[/quote]   A tad harsh, Mr. Hucker?