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[quote user="DIZNAZZA HIZLOMEZ"] Brian Barwick gets my vote for the slap. What an idiot for hiring such a inept manager, We all knew what would happen and unfortunately we were proven right. However i do feel the English players feel that they are considerably better then they are actually are. On the brightside we now have a proper manager [/quote] Wise words. Personally, I think that right now we have the most over-rated bunch of players ever to play for England. We''re not in Euro 2008 because, quite frankly, we aint good enough.  

I think if Mr Eagle were any good he would have alot more first team appearances under his belt already...

Ween, I have no beef with you or your opinions. Lets get that straight. All i''m saying is that there is always a bigger picture to any any argument. And, regardless of loyalties, I see this whole story as a pretty scary take on what could happen to any football club in this day and age. An i''m not the real Bob Fleck, of course. I''m far better looking.

I''ve just read this thread from start to finish. Cutting through some of the name calling, mud-slinging and claim / counter claim, its actually (IMHO) a salutory tale of the woes of modern football. Now, I am Norwich through and through - I have no desire whatsoever to see Ipswich rolling in cash, but I just can''t see the point of gloating about whether or not they are going to go out of business because their bitch / benefactor is / isn''t going to pull the plug on his funding in five years time. I know some Ipswich fans. They are nice people - work hard, play hard are not IN BRED and love their club just as much as Norwich fans do. In short, they are no better or worse than the rest of us. I think you''ll find the real enemy here are vultures who would rape and pillage a football club, destroying years of history and heritage, robbing future generations of the joys/woes of following the team their fathers did. I have no desire to see Ipswich on their knees. Vive la rivalry, but lets keep things in perspective.

Frankly, I think he has performed a minor miracle to keep us up. Remember that horrific feeling in the pit of your stomach after watching the QPR game last season? I can''t fault him or his decisions so far (tho perhaps that winger may have deserved another year...)

[quote user="nutty nigel"] No more than 9 points from the first 15 does. Or even 31 from the middle 16. The whole story is in front of us now and that is 55 points from 46 games. We weren''t lucky to stay up any more than we were unlucky not to finish higher. After 46 games we are what we are. The last 3 seasons since we were relegated from the Premiership we have got progressively worse. The "Worthy Out" season we finished on 62 points, last season we finished on 57 points and this time 55. Leicesters record in the 4 seasons since they got relegated was 57, 54, 53 and finally 52 and relegation to the 3rd tier for the first time in their history. I don''t know if we should be re-signing our players  or tearing it up and starting again. The players who have been here for the last 2/3 seasons have certainly been part of our downward trend so should we be worried if they are not kept? But yet surely Leicester tore it up and started again and that didn''t work either. So like RH I don''t really know what to make of it.   [/quote] Beautifully put. Leicesters stats over the last few seasons make very sobering reading too.

We won''t spend. We never do. You can count the times we''ve ''pushed the boat out'' as such on one hand..... Hucks signing? (Note - bankrolled by a local businessman) Ashton signing? (Note - Bankrolled by Premiership money - debatable if this was ambition or just plain common sense, albeit six months too late) Honestly, can anyone tell me a time other than the aforementioned when you''ve picked up the EDP one evening, seen an NCFC story and thought....yep, credit where it''s due, we''ve shown a modicum of ambition there. I can''t think of one.

I think most people would like Evans, Bertrand and Taylor here permanently next season. Sadly, I reckon the same old ''lack of funds, unrealistic price'' chestnut will come out, and the best we will get is loan deals again. People are saying we will get our money back if we were to shell out, say, £3m for Evans, but... WE. DON''T. HAVE. ANY. MONEY. And the bank will not lend us any in the hope that he is worth more in a couple of years time im afraid. Glenn, thank you for rescuing us from what was looking awfully like Div 1 football next season. Job done. You have got the mother of rebuilding jobs to do in the summer tho. By my reckoning, you''ll need about £10m to buy all these loanees. Hmmmmm.....journeymen / cheap foreigners anyone?

Good point about keeping the hooligans seperate, I hadn''t thought of that. However, as someone who WAS around in the terraced days, all I can say is that  I would buy a season ticket tomorrow if they were re-introduced. The atmosphere in the Barclay when we all stood was so much better than anything an all-seater stand could possibly offer. Something died, never to return, the day they pulled the old Barclay down. As another poster pointed out tho, terraced areas are never coming back.

[quote user="we8wba"][quote user="Bobert"] Oh Balls!  Norwich is a BIG club. Before the need for all ground seating we would get 39,000 to a match and couldd o again if the Board would sanction a second tier on the City Stand. Smudger & Co have got you thinking otherwise. We are the biggest Club in the Championship.We have world wide support, we are the best and let us ALL realise that, On the ballCity and up the table we will go. [/quote] ok without trying to pee you all of lets try a selling game you have to sell to me why norwich city is the biggest club in the championship and i sell to you why your not ok here i go.... i maybe wrong on this one but you have won the league cup twice    f.c cup 0      league 0 if this is correct there are many teams in this league who has won the old league one, fa cup and league cup more so now your turn to sell me a reason, remember i will give reasons for the whole of the championships teams [/quote]   Oh goody. we8wba is sitting in judgement of Norwich fans being enthusiastic and having a positive opinion about their own football club on their own message board. For the billionth time. we8wba, you post some very interesting stuff on here, I think most would agree. And an outsiders opinion is of course always valuable and valid. But do you HAVE to be so damned patronising the whole time? Really? Because whenever there is a post debating the merits of anything about our club you seem to take great pleasure (i''m sorry, but you do) by chipping in in that condescending, patronising manner of yours and boring us all to tears with reasons why we are small time / delusional / deficient in some way. Oh, and in answer to a poster further up - I may be wrong, but I think the quote is attributable to Roeder.      

[quote user="koimatsuba"] If by Feb and the end of the transfer window we have not spent to get us out of trouble, and I mean spend around 2-5 million. Sorry but the turners and co will have to cough up! Then a protest will happen. I don''t see it any other way! [/quote] Hate to say it, but we are broke. Its all very well demanding we spend £2 - £5m, but seriously, if the money isn''t there (whether through mismanagement, bad transfer dealing, lack of saleable assets on the pitch - whatever) would it be wise to spiral further into debt on the off chance we stay up? Even if we could magically restructure the debt and £5m odd materialised whilst doing so? But as you rightly point out koimatsuba, sitting around idly whilst Rome crumbles would be criminal also... The big variable in the transfer kitty just has to be these flaming Turners. I mean, just what the hell ARE their intentions? Jeez, who''d want to run a football club...

0-0 for me. I''d be happy with that too.

I think it''ll be very interesting to see how Hucks reacts to this kind of pressure - we all know a fit Hucks has, up until now, been a surefire starter come what may. I have a sneaking suspicion this could be just the kind of motivation he needs right now - I dont subscribe to this theory that he is washed up just because he''s now the wrong side of 30, and reckon he still has more than enough ability and motivation to scare the bejesus out of most of the defenders in this division.

[quote user="Mister Positive"] Norwich City with the good loan signings Roeder has made, some moves in the January transfer window and a bit of luck we will achieve mid table obscurity. OTBC[/quote] This has to be the finest piece of tragi-comedy I''ve seen on here for some time..."with a bit of luck we will achieve mid-table obscurity." Im not taking the mickey Mister Positive, I promise you - I just didn''t know whether to laugh or cry when I read it tbh!!

[quote user="Pboro_Canary"]Ability is not the issue with England, it is more a question of how much commitment, desire, passion, guts and even basic interest they can generate.  Sounds a bit like another team closer to home (mind you the ability of one or two of them is also in question I suppose).[/quote]   I think it''s all about ability, or lack of it, personally. Watching us try to defend a one goal lead in Russia was pitiful - totally bereft of cool heads, incapable of keeping possession, embracing panicky, lump-it agricultural garbage the minute we were put under pressure. Part of me would truly not be that bothered if we stuff it up on Wednesday, and I think we just might.

One of the more ludicrous threads....

I think you have every reason to be smug this morning Jim! Didn''t see this one coming - though i''m sure he wont get the job. Assistant manager maybe?

[quote user="DC Harry Batt"]Will anyone notice the difference?![/quote] Hilarious!!!!

[quote user="Dion-In-Disguise"] Last season, I didn''t think for one minute that we would go down. The worrying thing is, is that I believe we will go down this season no matter who the new manager is. The only way we will get out of this mess is if the board sell or put more money into the transfer kitty. Simple as. [/quote]   Agree totally Dion. Even when the ''R'' word was whispered last season, I dont think anyone really thought we''d go down. Come the summer sales and the purchase of some largely untried players at this level, I think plenty of us truly believe it could be Div 1 next year.

[quote user="we8wba"] hate to say it but i dont rate him at all   [/quote] I would venture that, actually, you love to say it we8wba. For the record, I''m not convinced by him either. Blowing £1m on a keeper (when we had just picked up a more than competent one on a free) whilst possessing a threadbare back four and mind-numbingly guileless midfield was one of Grants biggest errors IMHO. PS Oh, and our forwards aren''t exactly good either.

Shackell is ponderous. We will not progress as a club until his like is seen for what it is - simply not good enough, even for the a*** end of the Championship. Is he really the best centre-half the academy has scouted / developed over the last ten years? I suppose he must be. I''m sure he''s a nice lad and all, and of course it''s nothing personal. But I don''t think any new manager, however talented he is, will turn the likes of Shackell (fundamentally) into a better player than he already is. I''m afraid if you put him in a League One / League Two side he would look every bit as aimless and mechanical as he does in the Championship. When I see Shackell, I think of the years persevering with Adrian Coote - we all wanted that local lad to succeed so badly, but he never going to, was he? Can u sit down please. In answer to your question;  he''s not a good player. Period.  

Words of Wizdom. I think this is very close to what the board are thinking of doing right now. Good post Wiz.

[quote user="Barry Brockes"]Except that Ince was on national radio on Sunday and stated quite categorically when asked that he was not at all interested in the job. He made it totally clear that he had unfinished business at MK Dons he wanted to see through. It could have been a bluff but it didn''t come over that way and with a new stadium, increasing crowds and top of the league would we even appeal to him?[/quote]   Im not an Ince fan, personally, but I do think the City job would appeal to him. We are a bigger club than MK Dons, and Ince seems to me to be a man in a hurry - however,  I happen to think he''s rather gobby, more than a little arrogant (anyone remember his Guv''nor stage?) and no-where near experienced enough yet to take the reins here. Ince has to say the right thing, but I just have the feeling that should the right opportunity come knocking on his door he''d be off like a shot.

From the interview:- While Cullum - the company''s executive chairman - was unavailable for interview, a spokesman for the company said: “He is a loyal supporter of Norwich City. “He is obviously concerned, like any other Norwich supporter, about recent performances. “But he has no intention of buying the club.” Asked whether or not Cullum - who played for Norwich as a schoolboy and once faced Arsenal legend Charlie George in a match - might be considering some sort of financial input, the spokesman said: “No.”   Seriously, is this not categorical enough for everyone?

we8wba. Can you please stop trying to wind us up about the current predicament our club is in. With respect, we really don''t need a Wolves fan banging on about how we''re a ''laughing stock''. And yes, I know you ended the post by telling us that you hope we get a decent manager in, but after the mocking tone of what preceded it, it all sounds rather insincere. I do think you are trying to get a point across and I enjoy a good debate, but can you see how a Norwich fan might find it a little irritating?