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I''d argue continuity helping team spirit is a myth though LDC.  We may have kept a core of players from the L1 season but look at how many players we''ve signed each season, including that one in L1.  The myth was that we''d kept a similar team in the Championship to get promoted, when we hadn''t, and this was then perpetuated last year too.  We''ve seen so many players sign over the last few years, which is why a lot will leave this summer.

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RE Jackson, I didn''t see the ONE premier league game this season where he did score. but I have seen him in others. he looks incompetant, sorry, just my opinion. he looks a little like KK did to begin with, only difference is jackson has had near 2 seasons to adjust himself, KK has had but a few games and has already adjusted.

his positioning is all off. and from what I''ve seen in tapes and people at the game told me, his header could of been scored by anyone, he just happened to be there first. it wasn''t anything to build a defense for him upon.

the past is the past and the future is the future, the thought of Jackson belongs in one of those options, and I''ll give you all a hint, it isn''t the latter.

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Sorry LDC but some of that is just dead wrong.Last season Jackson played in 22 league games for us (hardly not having a run is it) and managed a paltry 3 goals. Even as a backup striker that''s a bloody awful return, and the other aspects of his game certainly aren''t strong enough to make allowances for this.There is absolutely ZERO point in having players in the squad if their contribution when called up is average to poor (short of making up numbers), and certainly if we want to continue improving as a club, we need a better quality of squad player than what we currently have, which unfortunately means that some existing players need to be moved on.This isn''t simply dumping players for no reason, it''s a sensible and natural progression.I DO want Jackson to move on because he''s not good enough, and I shouldn''t have to apologise for that stance, it''s surely natural for us fans to want to see the best players we can in the squad, rather than putting up with distinctly average performers just because they''re nice guys or have a good attitude (I''m sure I could have a world class attitude for 10k a week...)

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[quote user="lake district canary"]Ok, I''ve listened, but what do you want from a striker?


You need valued squad members to be there and be able to do a job when required.   Lappin, Jackson, Surman, Wilbraham, Fox and others who have had less of a look in over the last two years stayed and were/are still able to come on and do well when required.   There''s one post that says get rid of all the strikers.  What price team work, squad spirit, continuity etc etc, then? 


Its too easy to say get rid and not see the bigger picture. The bigger picture isn''t get rid of them and start again, its keep them if - they want  to stay- and let them fight for their place in the team.  


Imo it will be less getting rid of players and more a case of getting players in that can create more from midfield.    Our strike force would score more goals - whichever of them was on the pitch - if there was a better supply line.   Some may go, maybe Jackson will want to move on, but not because he isn''t good enough, more to get a chance where he can prosper in a first team and build up his confidence in front of goal - and yes it may be in the championship - but that doesn''t mean he isn''t equally good enough to stay and fight for a place in the team here.

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What do I want from a striker? At Prem level pace, strength, control/touch & goals.

Can we afford the whole package? Probably not, unless we strike a Michu.

I think that it is you, LDC, that doesn''t see the bigger picture. That picture is all about Hughton building his own team rather than scabbling about with Lamberts remnants. In the close season we might well bring in 6/7 new players that if it all goes to plan will be better than what we have. These will displace our regulars, our regulars will become squad players fighting for places and our squad players like Jackson...........well they drop off the bottom particulary when competing with youth team prospects. Now I know you rate Jackson, I have rated players before that have moved on and I am not saying he is not a good player who hasn''t played well in the past and scored goals. But the bar has been raised. RVW has come in to replace Holt, so get it the team now it is not a question of being better than Morrison or Martin but Holt. If we sign an attacking midfield player it will be to replace Hoolihan, then to hold that place the player will need to be better than Hoolihan not Surman etc etc and so on. We might buy the occasional specialist e.g. Bunn to cover injury but not many

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[quote user="ncfcstar"]I''d argue continuity helping team spirit is a myth though LDC.  We may have kept a core of players from the L1 season but look at how many players we''ve signed each season, including that one in L1.  The myth was that we''d kept a similar team in the Championship to get promoted, when we hadn''t, and this was then perpetuated last year too.  We''ve seen so many players sign over the last few years, which is why a lot will leave this summer.[/quote]

We had three members of the League one team squad still in the first team squad this season - and played in the first team - and there are several others still at Norwich who were involved in League 1.  That represents a healthy level of consistency and continuity in my book.   Pleyers will always come and go,  but we had this with Wilbraham - ridiculed for nearly the whole time he was here - and then put in some really good performances.   No-one has ridiculed Jackson, but it kind of leaves me with a sense of wonder that if he is named in the team next week, will there be groans or will he get the encouragement from the fans?     If he is on the bench and comes on as sub will he be booed?    Everyone seems to know better than, which is fine, but I would be delighted if Jackson was selected for a match - because it means he has impressed enough in attitude and in training to be considered  a starter.    Would everyone greet him like that? I doubt it.     Before you say no chance he will be picked - he was on the bench last Saturday, so is in the frame.  

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"]I''d argue continuity helping team spirit is a myth though LDC.  We may have kept a core of players from the L1 season but look at how many players we''ve signed each season, including that one in L1.  The myth was that we''d kept a similar team in the Championship to get promoted, when we hadn''t, and this was then perpetuated last year too.  We''ve seen so many players sign over the last few years, which is why a lot will leave this summer.[/quote]

We had three members of the League one team squad still in the first team squad this season - and played in the first team - and there are several others still at Norwich who were involved in League 1.  That represents a healthy level of consistency and continuity in my book.   Pleyers will always come and go,  but we had this with Wilbraham - ridiculed for nearly the whole time he was here - and then put in some really good performances.   No-one has ridiculed Jackson, but it kind of leaves me with a sense of wonder that if he is named in the team next week, will there be groans or will he get the encouragement from the fans?     If he is on the bench and comes on as sub will he be booed?    Everyone seems to know better than, which is fine, but I would be delighted if Jackson was selected for a match - because it means he has impressed enough in attitude and in training to be considered  a starter.    Would everyone greet him like that? I doubt it.     Before you say no chance he will be picked - he was on the bench last Saturday, so is in the frame.  

[/quote]I don''t think I was denying that - but we have signed a lot more players who have continued this ''team spirit'' without too much trouble, I''m sure Holt has a lot to do with that but it goes to show that it''s easy enough if you bring the right players in.  No one who actually studies our squad would fail to notice how much it has actually changed since L1 despite many thinking we have somehow done this miraculously.Why would anyone boo Jackson?  He''s always going to be remembered for that last month or so in the Championship, but he just hasn''t done it in the Prem.  I''m well aware that he was on the bench last Saturday, and he came on against Arsenal too, but I''d argue this is a case of circumstance.  I''m sure he is trying hard in training etc to get noticed, but Hughton hardly has riches to pick from in that department.

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ldc, if you were selecting now a starting eleven - with two strikers - from the current NCFC and Aston Villa squads would any of the four players (Holt, Becchio, Jackson and Kamara) you rate as being good enough for next season honestly get in ahead of Weimann and Benteke?

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"]ldc, if you were selecting now a starting eleven - with two strikers - from the current NCFC and Aston Villa squads would any of the four players (Holt, Becchio, Jackson and Kamara) you rate as being good enough for next season honestly get in ahead of Weimann and Benteke?[/quote]

I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   But is that the point?    The team is where it is at and on paper you could look at some of Reading''s team and Villa''s and QPR''s and wish we had some of their players.    But we are above them in the league.    So we must be doing something right.   Could Benteke have held the ball up like Holt the other day?   Would Weimann have scored from the corner against Everton?    Its so easy to look at other teams players and think they are better.   But who is  going to be prepared to sit as a third or fourth choice striker at a club in the mould of a Beneteke or Weimann anyway?    I''m not saying our players are world beaters, but to develop the squad doesn''t necessarily mean shipping out.    RVW, Holt, KK, Becchio and Jackson looks like a strong set up to me.   Especially when the problem is more in the midfield and the lack of quality in the passing/crossing.   A lot of people are hailing Johnson and Snodgrass as  having great seasons - but the quality of their delivery is often missing.  

How is any striker supposed to score when the ball is not coming to them?   I''ve lost count of the times the ball is twiddled about with in midfield only for it top be lost cheaply, or any possible runs by the strikers missed.    Our midfield has been poor at keeping the ball,  inconsistent at putting quality into the penalty area.   That is the main issue for me.     That is why I started the thread really,  to say that the front line set up is ok - or will be with RVW in it as well - compared to the development that is needed in midfield.   

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]ldc, if you were selecting now a starting eleven - with two strikers - from the current NCFC and Aston Villa squads would any of the four players (Holt, Becchio, Jackson and Kamara) you rate as being good enough for next season honestly get in ahead of Weimann and Benteke?[/quote]


I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   But is that the point?    The team is where it is at and on paper you could look at some of Reading''s team and Villa''s and QPR''s and wish we had some of their players.    But we are above them in the league.    So we must be doing something right.   Could Benteke have held the ball up like Holt the other day?   Would Weimann have scored from the corner against Everton?    Its so easy to look at other teams players and think they are better.   But who is  going to be prepared to sit as a third or fourth choice striker at a club in the mould of a Beneteke or Weimann anyway?    I''m not saying our players are world beaters, but to develop the squad doesn''t necessarily mean shipping out.    RVW, Holt, KK, Becchio and Jackson looks like a strong set up to me.   Especially when the problem is more in the midfield and the lack of quality in the passing/crossing.   A lot of people are hailing Johnson and Snodgrass as  having great seasons - but the quality of their delivery is often missing.  


How is any striker supposed to score when the ball is not coming to them?   I''ve lost count of the times the ball is twiddled about with in midfield only for it top be lost cheaply, or any possible runs by the strikers missed.    Our midfield has been poor at keeping the ball,  inconsistent at putting quality into the penalty area.   That is the main issue for me.     That is why I started the thread really,  to say that the front line set up is ok - or will be with RVW in it as well - compared to the development that is needed in midfield.   



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I admire your positivity and loyalty, I really do, but I often find your posts lack any sort of objectivity.

Jackson made 20+ appearances last season in a team that played attacking, open football, and were the 6th (or was it 7th?) highest scorers in the league, yet he managed only 3 goals. Taking off the yellow tinted glasses he just doesn''t quite cut it at this level I''m afraid. Yes he has pace and yes he works hard, but his decision making and crucially his finishing aren''t quite up to PL level. I think it''s best for his career that he moves on when his contract expires at the end of the season and I''ll be rooting for him wherever he ends up (I''ll have £50 with you that it''s not a PL club).

I''ll always remember his purple patch at the end of the Championship season, and his 3rd against Derby, as scrappy as it was, is one of my favourite goals of all time, but he just isn''t the player to take us to the next level for me. He''s another player (like Whitbread, Ward, Crofts etc) who is a victim of our rapid rise.

 

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Aye?! So you want to keep two players that Hughton obviously doesn''t rate?! Strange!! Only certs there are RVW and Holt. Hopefully Kei meaning there is still another striking option to come in.

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]ldc, if you were selecting now a starting eleven - with two strikers - from the current NCFC and Aston Villa squads would any of the four players (Holt, Becchio, Jackson and Kamara) you rate as being good enough for next season honestly get in ahead of Weimann and Benteke?[/quote]

I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   But is that the point?    The team is where it is at and on paper you could look at some of Reading''s team and Villa''s and QPR''s and wish we had some of their players.    But we are above them in the league.    So we must be doing something right.   Could Benteke have held the ball up like Holt the other day?   Would Weimann have scored from the corner against Everton?    Its so easy to look at other teams players and think they are better.   But who is  going to be prepared to sit as a third or fourth choice striker at a club in the mould of a Beneteke or Weimann anyway?    I''m not saying our players are world beaters, but to develop the squad doesn''t necessarily mean shipping out.    RVW, Holt, KK, Becchio and Jackson looks like a strong set up to me.   Especially when the problem is more in the midfield and the lack of quality in the passing/crossing.   A lot of people are hailing Johnson and Snodgrass as  having great seasons - but the quality of their delivery is often missing.  

How is any striker supposed to score when the ball is not coming to them?   I''ve lost count of the times the ball is twiddled about with in midfield only for it top be lost cheaply, or any possible runs by the strikers missed.    Our midfield has been poor at keeping the ball,  inconsistent at putting quality into the penalty area.   That is the main issue for me.     That is why I started the thread really,  to say that the front line set up is ok - or will be with RVW in it as well - compared to the development that is needed in midfield.   

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Quite. I could have gone for Man Utd and van Persie and Rooney. Instead I chose a team below us who have only scored three more goals. But I suspect a consensus here would be that both Benteke and Weimann - who have scored 21 times between them - would get into a select 11 ahead of all the NCFC strikers you rate so highly but who have got only seven goals for us.

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]ldc, if you were selecting now a starting eleven - with two strikers - from the current NCFC and Aston Villa squads would any of the four players (Holt, Becchio, Jackson and Kamara) you rate as being good enough for next season honestly get in ahead of Weimann and Benteke?[/quote]

I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   But is that the point?    The team is where it is at and on paper you could look at some of Reading''s team and Villa''s and QPR''s and wish we had some of their players.    But we are above them in the league.    So we must be doing something right.   Could Benteke have held the ball up like Holt the other day?   Would Weimann have scored from the corner against Everton?    Its so easy to look at other teams players and think they are better.   But who is  going to be prepared to sit as a third or fourth choice striker at a club in the mould of a Beneteke or Weimann anyway?    I''m not saying our players are world beaters, but to develop the squad doesn''t necessarily mean shipping out.    RVW, Holt, KK, Becchio and Jackson looks like a strong set up to me.   Especially when the problem is more in the midfield and the lack of quality in the passing/crossing.   A lot of people are hailing Johnson and Snodgrass as  having great seasons - but the quality of their delivery is often missing.  

How is any striker supposed to score when the ball is not coming to them?   I''ve lost count of the times the ball is twiddled about with in midfield only for it top be lost cheaply, or any possible runs by the strikers missed.    Our midfield has been poor at keeping the ball,  inconsistent at putting quality into the penalty area.   That is the main issue for me.     That is why I started the thread really,  to say that the front line set up is ok - or will be with RVW in it as well - compared to the development that is needed in midfield.   

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Quite. I could have gone for Man Utd and van Persie and Rooney. Instead I chose a team below us who have only scored three more goals. But I suspect a consensus here would be that both Benteke and Weimann - who have scored 21 times between them - would get into a select 11 ahead of all the NCFC strikers you rate so highly but who have got only seven goals for us.

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But that begs the question, why have they only scored seven?   Are they no good as strikers or are they not getting the service?  Its the question of all questions for me this season.   Lack of chances leads to a lack of confidence in  the finishing, too, so that could have affected things too. 

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[quote user="lake district canary"]


But that begs the question, why have they only scored seven?   Are they no good as strikers or are they not getting the service?  Its the question of all questions for me this season.   Lack of chances leads to a lack of confidence in  the finishing, too, so that could have affected things too. 


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What about last season? Plenty of chances then.

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]ldc, if you were selecting now a starting eleven - with two strikers - from the current NCFC and Aston Villa squads would any of the four players (Holt, Becchio, Jackson and Kamara) you rate as being good enough for next season honestly get in ahead of Weimann and Benteke?[/quote]

I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.  

[/quote]You don''t watch football.

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[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]ldc, if you were selecting now a starting eleven - with two strikers - from the current NCFC and Aston Villa squads would any of the four players (Holt, Becchio, Jackson and Kamara) you rate as being good enough for next season honestly get in ahead of Weimann and Benteke?[/quote]I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   [/quote]You don''t watch football.[/quote]

Yes I do, I just have an opinion and a free mind.

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Simeon Jackson seems to be a very nice young man with a very good attitude.

Simeon Jackson is not a Premiership footballer and as such should move on in the summer.

Unfortunately for him I also feel that he will struggle in the championship.

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"]

I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.  

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You don''t watch football.
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Yes I do, I just have an opinion and a free mind.



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What is your free mind''s opinion on Jackson''s goal return in his 20+ appearances last season, whilst playing free flowing, attacking football?

 

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"]I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   [/quote]You don''t watch football.[/quote]

Yes I do, I just have an opinion and a free mind.

[/quote]Does this mean you''d rather have Jackson than Weimann?  They have similar attributes...

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[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"]I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   [/quote]You don''t watch football.[/quote]Yes I do, I just have an opinion and a free mind.[/quote]Does this mean you''d rather have Jackson than Weimann?  They have similar attributes...[/quote]

I''d rather see Jackson fulfill his potential than see Weimann here, yes, but am realistic enough to see that it may not happen.  As I said previously, players do develop and mature at different ages,  Jackson is at that stage where he needs to breakthrough and get a run in a team.   I would still like to see that at Norwich because it would mean a player who has been loyal and scored some very very important goals has come of age and improved his composure in front of goal.    But of course I recognise he may be better developing his career elsewhere too, but it doesn''t stop me wanting, wishing, to see him and other players we''ve got  improve or find their form.    The grass is always greener and players at other clubs can come in, command high wages and not produce the goods themselves.   Sometimes, it is better to keep players and work with  them off the field in a consistent club set up over a period of time to mould them into the kind of players we want to see - after all  you can spend £5-10 million on a player who may still not produce the goods.      Who knows, but I simply won''t write off  players we have already.   Writing them off  generally means that if and when they do come on to the pitch they are going to be met with groans, murmuring, even boos - and how does that help?  If a player is still at Norwich he should be given every opportunity to do well - and that means fans getting behind them too.

If Jackson was to come in to the team over the next few weeks and do well, yeah, you could stick Weimann - and Benteke for that matter.

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"]I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   [/quote]You don''t watch football.[/quote]Yes I do, I just have an opinion and a free mind.[/quote]Does this mean you''d rather have Jackson than Weimann?  They have similar attributes...[/quote]

I''d rather see Jackson fulfill his potential than see Weimann here, yes, but am realistic enough to see that it may not happen.  As I said previously, players do develop and mature at different ages,  Jackson is at that stage where he needs to breakthrough and get a run in a team.   I would still like to see that at Norwich because it would mean a player who has been loyal and scored some very very important goals has come of age and improved his composure in front of goal.

If Jackson was to come in to the team over the next few weeks and do well, yeah, you could stick Weimann - and Benteke for that matter.

[/quote]Have you ever thought about having a career in stand up comedy?

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With a mentality of allowing players the time to develop and sticking with the players we have - Jackson wouldn''t even be at Norwich and we would still have Oli Johnson. Norwich are on an upward trajectory and most players can''t develop as fast as the club - this requires going into the transfer market and brining in new, better players. You can give players all the time in the world to develop, but everyone has a ceiling to their ability and I think it is fairly obvious that many of the reserve players at Norwich have hit theirs and probably aren''t up to the standard required.

 

Also what hasn''t been mentioned is the fact that Hughton doesn''t really seem to rate a lot of the back-up players at Norwich; Fox has only been used if a player is injured; Jackson was given a little run at the start of the season but since losing his place has never managed to get into the team regularly, Tierney hasn''t been seen all season despite Garrido having moments of ropey form. If Hughton doesn''t trust these players then they have to be sold on, and replacements brough it.

 

With a squad limited to 25 players, there is no room for passengers - especially next season when the only player who will be under 21 is Jed Steer (who most want loaned out).

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[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"]I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   [/quote]You don''t watch football.[/quote]Yes I do, I just have an opinion and a free mind.[/quote]Does this mean you''d rather have Jackson than Weimann?  They have similar attributes...[/quote]I''d rather see Jackson fulfill his potential than see Weimann here, yes, but am realistic enough to see that it may not happen.  As I said previously, players do develop and mature at different ages,  Jackson is at that stage where he needs to breakthrough and get a run in a team.   I would still like to see that at Norwich because it would mean a player who has been loyal and scored some very very important goals has come of age and improved his composure in front of goal. If Jackson was to come in to the team over the next few weeks and do well, yeah, you could stick Weimann - and Benteke for that matter.[/quote]Have you ever thought about having a career in stand up comedy?[/quote]Of course its hilarious wanting to see players we have at the club do well, isn''t it?   Strengthening a squad come in all forms,  but I can tell you for nothing that we will not have four or five strikers at the club who all cost £5m plus.   Two strikers possibly - plus two or three support strikers.   If Becchio has decided he doesn''t want to be on the bench (or less) he will be off again - and what was he - £3m?.   Who will those support strikers be?   Holt may be less of a starter next season,  Jackson would still be an option too if he stays.  But we are never going to be a club that has so much strength in depth that it can support expensive strikers not playing in the first team.   I think we ought to get used to that.

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Jackson is not good enough, and when given a chance to prove he is, well he hasn''t.This is borne out by stats I can''t be bothered to look up.He is 25 years old, if he was destined to be a successful Premiership striker, he would have done so by now.And when did you hear fans boo him exactly?

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="lake district canary"]I like Benteke, but not so keen on Weimann.   [/quote]You don''t watch football.[/quote]Yes I do, I just have an opinion and a free mind.[/quote]Does this mean you''d rather have Jackson than Weimann?  They have similar attributes...[/quote]I''d rather see Jackson fulfill his potential than see Weimann here, yes, but am realistic enough to see that it may not happen.  As I said previously, players do develop and mature at different ages,  Jackson is at that stage where he needs to breakthrough and get a run in a team.   I would still like to see that at Norwich because it would mean a player who has been loyal and scored some very very important goals has come of age and improved his composure in front of goal. If Jackson was to come in to the team over the next few weeks and do well, yeah, you could stick Weimann - and Benteke for that matter.[/quote]Have you ever thought about having a career in stand up comedy?[/quote]Of course its hilarious wanting to see players we have at the club do well, isn''t it?   Strengthening a squad come in all forms,  but I can tell you for nothing that we will not have four or five strikers at the club who all cost £5m plus.   Two strikers possibly - plus two or three support strikers.   If Becchio has decided he doesn''t want to be on the bench (or less) he will be off again - and what was he - £3m?.   Who will those support strikers be?   Holt may be less of a starter next season,  Jackson would still be an option too if he stays.  But we are never going to be a club that has so much strength in depth that it can support expensive strikers not playing in the first team.   I think we ought to get used to that.

[/quote]Do you think I''m an idiot?  Clearly we will not have five strikers who all cost £5m+ next season, but we may well do in the coming years.  Becchio was a nominal fee because we swapped him for Morison.  If you honestly think that signing RVW and Kamara alone will be enough to bolster our attacking options then fine, but in my opinion you are very wrong.  I don''t think anyone is suggesting we''re going to have a squad capable of holding on to players which could go further whilst they''re on the bench at Norwich, but you don''t have to be so patronising in the way you suggest that.And if you honestly think Jackson (aged 26) has better "potential" than Weimann (aged 21) then I give up debating with you.

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[quote user="morty"]Jackson is not good enough, and when given a chance to prove he is, well he hasn''t.  This is borne out by stats I can''t be bothered to look up. He is 25 years old, if he was destined to be a successful Premiership striker, he would have done so by now. And when did you hear fans boo him exactly?[/quote]

Now, now, Morty, don''t try and twist my words, the booing comment was a generalised comment about what can happen when an out of favour player comes on the pitch (Wilbraham comes to mind).   Also twenty five is not too old - how old was Holty when first tasted success at premiership level?

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For me it is this simple, the only players I think will be down as dead certains to be in the squad next season are as follows:

GK: Ruddy, Bunn.

DF: Martin, Whittaker, Turner, Bassong, R.Bennett, Garrido.

MF: Snodgrass, Johnson, Tettey, Pilkington, Howson.

STR: Holt, RVW, Becchio, Kamara.

That is 17 players with 8 slots remaining. We may well hang on to one or two others I haven''t listed who remain inside their contracts but I see that as being the main core of the squad that will be added to.

Whether people agree with it or not Hughton pretty much said Jackson was gone in January when he said that contracts had been offered to everyone who''s current contracts were running out and that he wanted to keep.

For me, whilst I do like Jackson, and I say it reluctantly because I do, he is just not premiership class. His shot power is not the problem. What is his biggest problem is that he never really had a chance to adjust and adapt, he has gone from playing in a lower League 1/league 2 team to playing premiership football in two seasons without really having played regularly.

What really lets him down is his selection. His shot selection, ;the speed of thought needed at this level. He has every other attribute you could want of a player but he just does not have the ''edge''. I think he could develop it given a regular position in a championship team but for us and for him he needs to move on.

As for Becchio, he is a finisher, I think he has a role to play and offers good competition for Holt. Kamara has been preferred simply for his pace. Playing Holt and Becchio together might work if you had pacier wide men but otherwise you wouldn''t really want to do it.

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="morty"]Jackson is not good enough, and when given a chance to prove he is, well he hasn''t.  This is borne out by stats I can''t be bothered to look up. He is 25 years old, if he was destined to be a successful Premiership striker, he would have done so by now. And when did you hear fans boo him exactly?[/quote]

Now, now, Morty, don''t try and twist my words, the booing comment was a generalised comment about what can happen when an out of favour player comes on the pitch (Wilbraham comes to mind).   Also twenty five is not too old - how old was Holty when first tasted success at premiership level?

[/quote]What part of "Jackson has had his chances to prove himself, and has proved himself not good enough" are you struggling with exactly?There are people who know a lot more about this than you do thankfully, that will make the decision.In my opinion, he''s Championship at best.

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[quote user="lake district canary"]If Jackson was to come in to the team over the next few weeks and do well, yeah, you could stick Weimann - and Benteke for that matter.[/quote]You''ve shot your entire debate in the foot with that comment IMHO LDC.Benteke has been one of the best strikers in the league this season despite it being his first year at this level and in a poor Villa side, he''s already being linked with teams like Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal, but you''d rather have Simeon Jackson...Seriously, were you drinking heavily before posting that response or has something been slipped into the water up there for you to make such a ridiculous statement???From a guy who normally puts well reasoned responses forward, you''ve dropped the ball there buddy and in a MASSIVE way.Next you''ll be telling us that RVP is overrated and you''d rather have Kamara.......

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ldc seems unable to accept that, according to just about everyone else on here, he is in the minority, and therefore probably wrong. Jackson does not have that basic skills to be a premier striker. his ball control is very poor, his decision making the same, and when put clean through on goal has not the least idea of how to finish. he had a purple patch for us in the championship, but has not done anything for the team since. as it stands at the moment, i would rather Carlton Morris be promoted from the youth team, than retain Jacko.

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