Houghton preaches COMMUNIST football

[Katie Borkins 1]

Now I don''t know about you lovely boys but old Bor grew up in the era when there was a red under the bed and them Russians could nuke us off the face of the earth just as quick as they could say "Nyet, Comrade" or "Levi''s Please."  I even helped the old man dig a bomb shelter at the bottom of the garden on Hotblack Road where we all grew up.  Any night or day those red bellied sons of bitches could have incinerated my family and another hundred thousand people or so.  So that''s fair to say I have an issue of trust with communists, trotskyites, left wingers.  I in''t that keen on the Liberal Democrats neither, but that''s another story concerning a mix-up over my allotment.

 

Now, when Bor learned today that Houghton is a Communist, well, the penny fair enough dropped.  I had my suspicions, don''t get me wrong, but now I have put two and two together like nobody''s business.

 

What do Communists believe?  Well, those rum old buggers worship the team over the individual.  That''s not just my view, Wikipedia agrees with me.  "The repression of individual flair in pursuit of a common goal.  Every individual assigned to a mechanical role to benefit the wider society."  Except, here''s the thing that gets my goat, we in''t getting the benefit.  The other thing those Commies believe is equal distribution of wealth (points) - AND THAT''S WHY WE DRAW SO MANY GAMES!  Hughton is too nice, and he don''t bloody well want to win, do he?  I bet on those rare occasions we find out where the goal is and score a few, he is the first into the away dressing room to apologise to them all.  I even slowed down the footage on that old Canary Player and in our last three games you can see him mouthing the words "Point today, Mister Redknapp, Sir?"  "Una pointo, Senor Villas-Boas?"  "Guten Tag Martin Jol, konnen sie mir bitte ein point gegehen?"

 

Give me a Reagan, a Bush, a Thatcher, a Blair any day of the week - someone to roll back the old frontiers, release the shackles (not Jason though, ho ho ho) and SET MY PEOPLE FREE.  You cannot run a multi-million pound business with a Commie at the helm.  That didn''t work for the Daily Mirror and that won''t work for my beloved Norwich City.

 

(Bor was in the Navy, before you start on my language skills.  I read a lot of them books.  I read one yesterday as it happens while seated in Row J of the Jarrold Stand and I didn''t miss bugger all on the pitch now did I.)

 

[Mister Chops 7]

I think you could be right about this.

[Howson is now! 0]

Ray Houghton?

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

Now Bor, your determination to mis-spell Hughton''s name is rude and rather juvenile. Do better than that.

 

And further old fella what else do a Reagan, a Bush, a Thatcher, a Blair have in common?

 

One love.

 

OTBC

[Stig 0]

I''m proudly far left and declare myself a communist, I can safely say you are an idiot by drawing comparisons to soviet russia who never practised communism and NCFC. Poor troll attempt but I felt I should reply just in case. Suck up more of that capitalist propaganda and hide under your bomb shelter while your heroic government continue to rape and pillage your country free of suspiscion. Meanwhile I will continue to be dissapointed by our football this season and internittently reply to stupid threads...

[ricardo 8,034]

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

Now Bor, your determination to mis-spell Hughton''s name is rude and rather juvenile. Do better than that.

 

And further old fella what else do a Reagan, a Bush, a Thatcher, a Blair have in common?

 

One love.

 

OTBC

[/quote]Did they all have goals disallowed in an FA Cup final?

[ron obvious 1,711]

So Mr Stig, can you point to me a country where communism has been successful? One where there is no ruling elite, no privileged few, & everyone gets along famously, all happy to serve the common good, no matter how there compatriots behave?

I can''t think of one. It''s hard enough to find one perfectly ''good'' human being, let alone a nation full.

It''s another religion, another Utopian dream, always to be undone by the realities of a physical existence & the necessity of survival.

I''m sure your heart is in the right place. But The World doesn''t care, & your head is the only thing that will save you.

[A Gay Schoolboy 0]

[quote user="ron obvious"]So Mr Stig, can you point to me a country where communism has been successful? One where there is no ruling elite, no privileged few, & everyone gets along famously, all happy to serve the common good, no matter how there compatriots behave?.[/quote]I''m not a communist but this is a bit ridiculous. Can you name ANY country where your criteria has been met?

[wes the wizzard 0]

This post has clearly been written by one of the most backwards bumpkin worzel gummidge wannabees. "ooo arr i been dun told somthin i heard ont news so it must be the roight thing to do boy" Fuc*ing do one, reds under the bed??? what about all the nukes USA and UK had hmm??? what about this guy?? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili-arkhipov-stopped-nuclear-war  Yeah he seems like a blood thirsty commie ready for war dosnt he?? If you want a reagan, bush, thatcher blair, in terms of a football manager you end up with paul shambert, a capitalist fat cat with no intentions other than his own, and will trample on anyone and anything (including us e.g trying to sue us for 2 mil) to get to "the top" If you have a problem with hughton you might aswell f*ck off, hes a real football manager who wants us playing good decent football not just a punt and hope for the best attitude. Hes building greatness here and if your blind to that go move down south and bum mick mcfarty

[Stig 0]

No, you are right and I do live in a perpetual dream waiting for a true communist society. In fact, a NCFC run by communists for communists sounds brilliant. We could even install a secret nuclear warbase under Carrow Road to threaten the silly western countries!!!

[Stig 0]

[quote user="wes the wizzard"]This post has clearly been written by one of the most backwards bumpkin worzel gummidge wannabees. "ooo arr i been dun told somthin i heard ont news so it must be the roight thing to do boy" Fuc*ing do one, reds under the bed??? what about all the nukes USA and UK had hmm??? what about this guy?? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili-arkhipov-stopped-nuclear-war  Yeah he seems like a blood thirsty commie ready for war dosnt he?? If you want a reagan, bush, thatcher blair, in terms of a football manager you end up with paul shambert, a capitalist fat cat with no intentions other than his own, and will trample on anyone and anything (including us e.g trying to sue us for 2 mil) to get to "the top" If you have a problem with hughton you might aswell f*ck off, hes a real football manager who wants us playing good decent football not just a punt and hope for the best attitude. Hes building greatness here and if your blind to that go move down south and bum mick mcfarty [/quote]

Everything but the last paragraph!

[Roodge 0]

Communist & English Premier league football, I cant think of anything more contradictory. He may also be a devil worshiper & a drugged out weirdo. One things for sure, he''s got more brains than you will ever have bor. Doesnt seem to be as narrow minded either.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="school boy error"]I''m not a communist but this is a bit ridiculous. Can you name ANY country where your criteria has been met?[/quote]Well if you are saying a marxist utopia is a pipe dream then I agree.  Many countries have attempted to implement Marxist and communist ideology, but as Bakunin said: "the Marxists maintain that only a dictatorship—their dictatorship, of

course—can create the will of the people, while our answer to this is:

No dictatorship can have any other aim but that of self-perpetuation,

and it can beget only slavery in the people tolerating it; freedom can

be created only by freedom, that is, by a universal rebellion on the

part of the people and free organization of the toiling masses from the

bottom up."   The inevitable conclusion of Communism is a new bourgeois drawn from the proletariat.As George Orwell noted in his book Animal Farm: “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and

from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was

impossible to say which was which.”

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Stig"]My beef, sir, is I am not entertained by this entertainment. [/quote]Supposing it wasn''t beef?

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Stig"]My beef, sir, is I am not entertained by this entertainment. In less than a season the spirit has been sucked dry and it is a literal grindstone to keep the business afloat.[/quote]We have played some quite dull football this season. But as long as we stay up, which it looks like we will, then I don''t mind.  Cautious Chris has been signing good players and improving the squad.My main beef, is that in games when we are keeping it tight and under no real pressure, we do not then step up for the last 20 minutes and try and get the three points.  I think teams come to Carrow Road now thinking this is going to be an easy point.

[Stig 0]

Horse gets my goat just the same

[ron obvious 1,711]

"I''m not a communist but this is a bit ridiculous. Can you name ANY country where your criteria has been met?"

No, school boy error, I can''t.

Further to which I''m afraid I don''t understand your point.

[wes the wizzard 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="wes the wizzard"]just to clear things up when i say F*ck off to people like Bor, I mean it in a literal sense, not to offend.  [/quote]Let me clarify that - you tell people to f*ck off but don''t mean any offence?[/quote]FINE, i mean it in a literal sense, not JUST to offend .... jheeeze!personally having a Kretin like Bor being part of Norwich''s community, is much more of an offense to me than someone telling me to fuck off. but that''s me, Im sure there are some that agree with him, in fact i know there will be, canary call anyone?

[ron obvious 1,711]

If you''re gonna have a troll, have one like bor says I.

Obvious WUM with some genuinely comic touches (I particularly enjoyed the allotment reference).

[PurpleCanary 6,386]

[quote user="ron obvious"]So Mr Stig, can you point to me a country where communism has been successful? One where there is no ruling elite, no privileged few, & everyone gets along famously, all happy to serve the common good, no matter how there compatriots behave? I can''t think of one. It''s hard enough to find one perfectly ''good'' human being, let alone a nation full. It''s another religion, another Utopian dream, always to be undone by the realities of a physical existence & the necessity of survival. I''m sure your heart is in the right place. But The World doesn''t care, & your head is the only thing that will save you.[/quote]

 

Your criteria are absurd, in that for them to make sense you would have to apply them to capitalist countries as well. Do you seriously think there are not rulng elites in capitalist countries? That there are no underclasses? The point is that a communist regime (and no, I''m not a communist) doesn''t have to achieve that kind of utopian perfection you demand. It just has to be better than the alternative. Without a doubt Cuba under communism is a better place than it was under capitalism. Replacing the corruption and gross inequality of the Batista regime with the highly flawed Castro regime was an improvement. You can even argue that the Stalinist Soviet Union, whatever its horrors, was better for most people than the moribund, class-ridden and poverty-stricken society that was tsarist Russia.

[A Gay Schoolboy 0]

[quote user="ron obvious"]"I''m not a communist but this is a bit ridiculous. Can you name ANY country where your criteria has been met?"

No, school boy error, I can''t.

Further to which I''m afraid I don''t understand your point.[/quote]My point is that it seems you are dismissing communism purely it doesn''t meet your impossible criteria, when literally no country, whatever its economic or political system, has ever measured up to them. There are no capitalist countries that fit your criteria either.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Bor Bor Bor"]I even slowed down the footage on that old Canary Player and in our last three games you can see him mouthing the words "Point today, Mister Redknapp, Sir?"  "Una pointo, Senor Villas-Boas?"  "Guten Tag Martin Jol, konnen sie mir bitte ein point gegehen?" [/quote]So just to be clear, he spoke to Martin Jol in German, and said "Good day Martin Jol, please can you go to a point for me?"

[Monty13 2,736]

Your not a communist Stig, you really aren''t, no matter what you say.

[Rolf Harris 33]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Bor Bor Bor"]I even slowed down the footage on that old Canary Player and in our last three games you can see him mouthing the words "Point today, Mister Redknapp, Sir?"  "Una pointo, Senor Villas-Boas?"  "Guten Tag Martin Jol, konnen sie mir bitte ein point gegehen?" [/quote]So just to be clear, he spoke to Martin Jol in German, and said "Good day Martin Jol, please can you go to a point for me?"

[/quote]He''s dutch

[Rolf Harris 33]

[quote user="Monty13"]Your not a communist Stig, you really aren''t, no matter what you say.[/quote]Nazi!

[Stig 0]

Thanks for saying so, but I''m pretty sure of my beliefs and political pursuasion. Are you jealous I have conviction about that? I''ve seen enough to know who or what I am.

[Wishbone 8]

Barcelona (certainly under Guardiola) would be considered socialist in their approach cos they all work for each other. Lambert had this ethos and Hughton has carried it on, albeit in a more negative manner...i''d go as far as to say most successful football teams will have a socialist ethos because the team is more effective than 11 individuals...

[Rolf Harris 33]

There is no evidence capitalism works, 1929 and 2008 onwards the bubble is bursting.

[Monty13 2,736]

Stig you can believe in the Marxist ideal, but that doesn''t make you a communist.

Your political persuasion is communist, really? What do you do that is active in these political beliefs.

You also have a slight issue, and that is that the class conflict that Marx talked of has been muddied by capitalism. You have as many self proclaimed "working class" millionaires now as elitists.

Capitalism and Communism are not the antithesis of each other, they are competing solutions to the problems associated with class.

Am I jealous of your convictions, no, I just don''t believe them. We can all dream of a utopian society and the realisation of human freedom, doesn''t make us communist.

[ron obvious 1,711]

FFS, where did I say ''capitalism'' works either? You are all confusing it with various idealistic systems (of which communism is one), which seek to impose a theoretical system on a population by making invalid assumptions & simplistic about how people behave.

Nobody woke up one day & invented the ''capitalist system'', it has been evolving since mankind evolved. I am only too well aware it is deeply flawed, but, as someone (Churchill?) said about democracy, it is the least worst option.

So would you please all stop trying to put words into my mouth.