Ayala to Forest

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[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Seems to be taking a long time for Ayala to get to Forest, I can do it in 2 hours from here.[:)][/quote]

I trust you are mindful of the speed cameras or do you have pals in high places? [;)]
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Ok, I was exaggarating a teeny bit, its 2 hrs 35 mins on the AA route planner from here  and no I dont have any friends in high places.

[Big Vince 318]

Another example of Norwich City Football Club being run by pixies. Why would you offload Ayala, who you paid 800K for a year ago, instead of Ward and Barnett? The boy Ayala can at least play football whereas Barnett doesn''t know what to do with a ball and gives it away. The boy Ward is the one who should be going back to the Championship as he is too slow for the Premier. Caught napping in the 1-0 at Stoke plus other poor displays. In fact, Norwich''s slump last season coincided with Ward getting back in the side. It seems that Ayala is being condemned just for his appearance record last season. I would have said Turner-Ayala as the first choice centre-back pairing. Where is the full-back cover? No replacements for Naughton and Drury? You need specialist cover here, not makeshift players. Why so many left-sided midfielders: Pilkington, Snodgrass, Surman, Lappin? Yet only Elliott Bennett on the right? The boy Hughton has got some work to do getting his squad balanced.

[Trawlerboy 0]

[quote user="Big Vince"]Another example of Norwich City Football Club being run by pixies. Why would you offload Ayala, who you paid 800K for a year ago, instead of Ward and Barnett? The boy Ayala can at least play football whereas Barnett doesn''t know what to do with a ball and gives it away. The boy Ward is the one who should be going back to the Championship as he is too slow for the Premier. Caught napping in the 1-0 at Stoke plus other poor displays. In fact, Norwich''s slump last season coincided with Ward getting back in the side. It seems that Ayala is being condemned just for his appearance record last season. I would have said Turner-Ayala as the first choice centre-back pairing. Where is the full-back cover? No replacements for Naughton and Drury? You need specialist cover here, not makeshift players. Why so many left-sided midfielders: Pilkington, Snodgrass, Surman, Lappin? Yet only Elliott Bennett on the right? The boy Hughton has got some work to do getting his squad balanced.[/quote]

Ayala and Bennett are both young and inexperienced in the Prem to be in the team line- up together. Too much of a risk with that pairing especially with Ayala''s liking for yellow cards. Lots of players were at fault with the slump you mention. Where were all the goals? What was midfield doing losing the ball?

I agree we need full-backs fast.

[norfolkbroadslim 223]

[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Seems to be taking a long time for Ayala to get to Forest, I can do it in 2 hours from here.[:)][/quote]

I trust you are mindful of the speed cameras or do you have pals in high places? [;)]
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City Angel would never smudge her reputation[;)]

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]

[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Seems to be taking a long time for Ayala to get to Forest, I can do it in 2 hours from here.[:)][/quote]I trust you are mindful of the speed cameras or do you have pals in high places? [;)][/quote]

 

City Angel would never smudge her reputation[;)]

[/quote]She''d see a speed camera and brake.  It''s called using one''s WITS.

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="Big Vince"] Why so many left-sided midfielders: Pilkington, Snodgrass, Surman, Lappin? Yet only Elliott Bennett on the right? The boy Hughton has got some work to do getting his squad balanced.[/quote]

Pilkington and Snodgrass are quite comfortable on the right wing.

[Canary Wundaboy 1,359]

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]

Ayala latest - http://twitter.com/paddyjdavitt/

 

o''driscoll: "Dani is one we have talked to....although 2 clubs can agree things, a player has to want to come and play for you, too." #edp24

[/quote]I''d interpret that as Ayala wanting to stay and fight for his place this season...

[Branston Pickle 3,659]

Ayala at £800k is hardly the biggest outlay of the century, and the idea isn''t to offload him but get him match time that Hughton presumably doesn''t expect him to get here. This is what PL clubs do. He is by no means a first choice pick and only played a handful of matches (being booked almost each time). If CH thinks it a good idea to loan him that is fine by me.

[nutty nigel 7,535]

800k is a big outlay for Norwich City Branston. If Hughton had spent 800k on a player he wouldn''t then consider loaning him out the next season. But Hughton inherited Ayala so is not responsible for the money spent. I reckon there''s no way Lambert would have loaned him out. That''s why I find this inetesting. Forget all the posturing on here about which posters would make good managers what we could have here are two top British managers with different opinions about the same player. Add this to the strong rumours about Vaughan going, another thing that surely wouldn''t have happened if Lambert was still here. Those would be two very expensive mistakes if they end up leaving so soon.

 

 

[Trawlerboy 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

800k is a big outlay for Norwich City Branston. If Hughton had spent 800k on a player he wouldn''t then consider loaning him out the next season. But Hughton inherited Ayala so is not responsible for the money spent. I reckon there''s no way Lambert would have loaned him out. That''s why I find this inetesting. Forget all the posturing on here about which posters would make good managers what we could have here are two top British managers with different opinions about the same player. Add this to the strong rumours about Vaughan going, another thing that surely wouldn''t have happened if Lambert was still here. Those would be two very expensive mistakes if they end up leaving so soon.

 

 

[/quote]Good managers make mistakes. Everybody makes errors, but some people are far more accustomed to screwing things up than others.

[nutty nigel 7,535]

[quote user="Trawlerboy"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

800k is a big outlay for Norwich City Branston. If Hughton had spent 800k on a player he wouldn''t then consider loaning him out the next season. But Hughton inherited Ayala so is not responsible for the money spent. I reckon there''s no way Lambert would have loaned him out. That''s why I find this inetesting. Forget all the posturing on here about which posters would make good managers what we could have here are two top British managers with different opinions about the same player. Add this to the strong rumours about Vaughan going, another thing that surely wouldn''t have happened if Lambert was still here. Those would be two very expensive mistakes if they end up leaving so soon.

 

 

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Good managers make mistakes. Everybody makes errors, but some people are far more accustomed to screwing things up than others.


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You miss the point Smudge. Nothing concrete has happened yet but if either or both these players are shipped out I would like to learn which manager made the mistakes. I''m reading your post to mean you think it''ss Lambert. If so what brings you to that conclusion or are you just showing blind support to our current manager?

 

 

[Monty13 2,234]

We paid 750,000 for Barnett only 7 months before getting Ayala in and most supporters seem to want Barnett out after his displays last year.

Is 800,000 really considered that big an outlay nowadays for Norwich?

Ryan Bennett cost a reported 3.5 million plus who knows what add ons. Now if we were talking about loaning him out I think people would be up in arms.

But loaning a young player out who cost you less than a million implies A) you still want him in the future and B) we have come quite far if we are happy to do that.

I''m not sure why we are talking about Ayala as being either a mistake by Lambert or a potential mistake by Hughton if we loan him out? He''s not leaving the club, he is one for the future, bought at a very cheap price for his age and potential ability.

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[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]

[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Seems to be taking a long time for Ayala to get to Forest, I can do it in 2 hours from here.[:)][/quote]

I trust you are mindful of the speed cameras or do you have pals in high places? [;)]
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City Angel would never smudge her reputation[;)]

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So you and Mr Chops are suggesting that Thumberlina is WITS with a new name and Tilly is convinced that Trawlerboy & Greenjack are Smudger , I''m not sure that I can keep up with all these name changes, I havent got a clue who is who nowadays [:)]

[BroadstairsR 2,168]

Hear hear.

[BroadstairsR 2,168]

Or is it: Here, here?

[Trawlerboy 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Trawlerboy"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

800k is a big outlay for Norwich City Branston. If Hughton had spent 800k on a player he wouldn''t then consider loaning him out the next season. But Hughton inherited Ayala so is not responsible for the money spent. I reckon there''s no way Lambert would have loaned him out. That''s why I find this inetesting. Forget all the posturing on here about which posters would make good managers what we could have here are two top British managers with different opinions about the same player. Add this to the strong rumours about Vaughan going, another thing that surely wouldn''t have happened if Lambert was still here. Those would be two very expensive mistakes if they end up leaving so soon.

 

 

[/quote]Good managers make mistakes. Everybody makes errors, but some people are far more accustomed to screwing things up than others.

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You miss the point Smudge. Nothing concrete has happened yet but if either or both these players are shipped out I would like to learn which manager made the mistakes. I''m reading your post to mean you think it''ss Lambert. If so what brings you to that conclusion or are you just showing blind support to our current manager?

 

 

[/quote]You appear to be the one claiming either Lambert or Hughton has made a mistake.

[nutty nigel 7,535]

I must be getting old Monty because I think 800 grand is a lot of money. I also think that Barnett was signed to play in the championship whilst Ayala was signed to play in the premier league. And I''m way too far behind the times to think little old Norwich could be signing players from the likes of Liverpool and Everton for that sort of money just to loan them out to gain experience.

 

If it happens I shall be interested to see which manager''s judgement comes out of it best. Am I the only one who sees it that way?

 

 

[nutty nigel 7,535]

[quote user="Trawlerboy"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Trawlerboy"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

800k is a big outlay for Norwich City Branston. If Hughton had spent 800k on a player he wouldn''t then consider loaning him out the next season. But Hughton inherited Ayala so is not responsible for the money spent. I reckon there''s no way Lambert would have loaned him out. That''s why I find this inetesting. Forget all the posturing on here about which posters would make good managers what we could have here are two top British managers with different opinions about the same player. Add this to the strong rumours about Vaughan going, another thing that surely wouldn''t have happened if Lambert was still here. Those would be two very expensive mistakes if they end up leaving so soon.

 

 

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Good managers make mistakes. Everybody makes errors, but some people are far more accustomed to screwing things up than others.


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You miss the point Smudge. Nothing concrete has happened yet but if either or both these players are shipped out I would like to learn which manager made the mistakes. I''m reading your post to mean you think it''ss Lambert. If so what brings you to that conclusion or are you just showing blind support to our current manager?

 

 

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You appear to be the one claiming either Lambert or Hughton has made a mistake.
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I don''t think so Smudge.

 

 

[Monty13 2,234]

"I must be getting old Monty because I think 800 grand is a lot of money. I also think that Barnett was signed to play in the championship whilst Ayala was signed to play in the premier league. And I''m way too far behind the times to think little old Norwich could be signing players from the likes of Liverpool and Everton for that sort of money just to loan them out to gain experience."

Well 800,000 to me is a lot of money, for a Premiership club its really not, as we have shown last year with the acquisition of Pilkington, Morrison, R Bennett, Vaughan and E Bennett for well over a million pounds each. Not to mention this years signings of Snodgrass and Turner.

Yes Barnett was signed to play in the championship (but probably with half an eye on the premiership at that point) but then Ayala was signed to play in a debut premiership season. Since his purchase we have bought two other CBs, at far more expense, and who are arguably better quality. (Also relatively speaking Barnett cost far far more than Ayala in terms of the percentage budget available for the two seasons.)

Its also fairly clichéd argument Nutty to say one was signed for one reason that doesn''t apply to the other when they were both in the squad last year and the majority of our squad was bought to play Championship or League 1 Football and have stepped up, it still makes the money spent on Barnett a waste if he was to be ultimately deemed surplus to requirements.

And we didn''t buy Ayala just to loan him out, we bought him during a debut season in the premiership to be part of out first team squad, since then we have had a whole season and stayed up, and we have brought in, as stated above, 2 arguably better CBs. When he was fit he played, but the goalposts have changed a year after he was bought and he is now down the pecking order, but still with the long term potential to do well at the club. That''s how I see it, its not about who made what mistakes, its that the CB situation has changed due to us staying up and improving the squad.

[Branston Pickle 3,659]

That''s pretty much as I see it, Monty. There is a huge difference in loaning to selling: in theory you loan a player out to get the benefit of him playing (eg us with Naughton) and get back a better player, the 800k (our cheapest purchase since promotion) is still a reasonable investment.

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Still no news so maybe hes staying ??

[Thumbelina 0]

[quote user="cityangel"]Still no news so maybe hes staying ??[/quote]Perhaps he is going, or possibly there is no perhaps about it. I wonder if those who abused the OP will apologise for getting it wrong?

[nutty nigel 7,535]

[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Still no news so maybe hes staying ??[/quote]

Perhaps he is going, or possibly there is no perhaps about it. I wonder if those who abused the OP will apologise for getting it wrong?
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Tell us who those are Thumbo. Name and shame!

 

What does this say about the signing of Ayala? Was it a mistake or was it just taking a punt with loose change? If it''s the latter he could come good for us at a later date. If it was a mistake I guess we can always find another 1m down the sofa to replace him[;)]

 

 

[Thumbelina 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Still no news so maybe hes staying ??[/quote]Perhaps he is going, or possibly there is no perhaps about it. I wonder if those who abused the OP will apologise for getting it wrong?[/quote]

 

Tell us who those are Thumbo. Name and shame!

 

What does this say about the signing of Ayala? Was it a mistake or was it just taking a punt with loose change? If it''s the latter he could come good for us at a later date. If it was a mistake I guess we can always find another 1m down the sofa to replace him[;)]

 

 

[/quote]No need for me to name and shame, the people responsible already done that for themselves when they answered the OP on the first few pages.The OP was 100% correct, end of.

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[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Still no news so maybe hes staying ??[/quote]

Perhaps he is going, or possibly there is no perhaps about it. I wonder if those who abused the OP will apologise for getting it wrong?
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Well I didnt abuse him so dont accuse me [:)]

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[quote user="cityangel"]

[quote user="Thumbelina"][quote user="cityangel"]Still no news so maybe hes staying ??[/quote]

Perhaps he is going, or possibly there is no perhaps about it. I wonder if those who abused the OP will apologise for getting it wrong?
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Well I didnt abuse him so dont accuse me [:)]

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Don''t worry Angel it is not you they are trying to pick a row with.[;)]

[Brentwood Yellow 0]

I was simply passing on to fellow Norwich fans some news that I had been reliably informed of.

I fail to understand why anyone would make up any transfer news.

I think Ayala is an excellent talent and hopefully the season long loan will benefit us in the long run.

[Thumbelina 0]

[quote user="Brentwood Yellow"]I was simply passing on to fellow Norwich fans some news that I had been reliably informed of.

I fail to understand why anyone would make up any transfer news.

I think Ayala is an excellent talent and hopefully the season long loan will benefit us in the long run.[/quote]I agree, but still none of those who felt it was right to hurl insults at you have deemed it appropriate to apologise.Nevermind, don''t let it stop you keeping us updated on any news that you do have.