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[quote user="kick it off"][quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"] think we''ve all got the drift we''ve "kick it off"....anyone that differs in opinion (whichever way the wind happens to be blowing), would appear to be incapable of rational thought/stupid/thick *delete as applicable and anything of that ilk..........card well and truly marked. [/quote]I don''t really have an opinion on this one way or another - I think CMS is an underwhelming signing if it happens compared to some of the names we''ve seen linked, however, if you think about it logically, it makes a lot of sense, because he is similar to Jackson, but stronger, taller and slightly more clinical, and there seems to be a consensus that we play better with Jackson in the team because of his work rate and movement dragging defenders out of position and creating space. He lacks the clinical edge to be prolific at this level. CMS on the other hand, has that poacher''s instinct and clinical touch that we lack. So to be honest it could go either way, he could be great, he could be crap. As you should be able to see, it is not because people''s opinions differ, it is the combined effect of slating the guy as not good enough before he even signs for us, and not understanding what kind of player CMS is/not knowing ANYTHING about him (as whoever compared him to Morison clearly doesn''t, they literally couldn''t have more different styles).[/quote]Closer style to Morison than Jackson as he doesn''t even have the pace or Morison, let alone Jackson.Sorry but I don''t agree with you on the style of play of CMS and I don''t agree that CMS has a poachers instinct either. He could sign for us and it could work. Let''s face it we have signed plenty of other donkeys who have done ok for us in the past.

[quote user="TIL 1010"] Before you decided to block me on Twitter Smudger i had spotted the word for word quote from on here so any doubt that there was with regard to Trawlerboy being you has disappeared but then again iam just a "dim wit ex plod" i believe you said in a Tweet. [/quote]Ahh so you''re on twitter these days then?  I didn''t think that you liked twitter STALKER.

[quote user="Indy_Bones"]I agree that he hasn''t had a 10 game run of starts in the two years he''s been here, the longest is a 7 game run starting vs Leicester on 28/09/10 up to Burnley on 06/11/10, that being said, he''s still had plenty of opportunity to demonstrate what he can do.Out of the 61 apps he''s made in the league, 31 of those have been starts with the other 30 from the bench (51% starts vs bench apps), and last season out of the 22 games he played, there were 12 starts in those games (55% starts vs bench apps).Are you honestly going to claim that he''s not had a good enough opportunity to prove himself based on this?The key reason that he hasn''t had longer spells on a regular basis is purely because he hasn''t performed consisently when given the games, hence why the manager has kept ''yo-yo-ing'' him in and out of the side.What really frustrates me here is that Jackson HAS been given over a dozen starts in the prem (as well as a further 10 sub apps) to prove if he''s good enough of not at this level (and isn''t IMHO), yet Chris Martin got given just 3 starts (1 sub app) and apparently this is enough for most fans to dimiss him from our plans. Why can Jackson get 4 times more opporunities at this level (and do very little with it) but have fans saying he hasn''t had a fair run, but somehow Martin has despite having only being given a quarter of the games Jackson has???? [/quote]Thank you for clearing up that Jackson had the 7 game run which you talk about above Indy.How many times did he play a full 90 mins, or anything near approaching it during that run of starts though? Chris Martin was usually brought on around the hour mark even when Jackson was getting starts.You have put together a very balanced piece here and while I disagree with your final conclusion at least it shows a level of respect to a player who has done so much for NCFC and still has a great deal to offer.I also agree with your viewpoint on Martin being harshly treated last season.While it is not a popular viewpoint, I feel that both could have a fair amount to offer the club if handled in the correct manner.Any prospective forward looking to sign for NCFC, would take one look at many of the viewpoints on here and think no thank you.All I am saying is, please let''s not go down the route of judging all of our players on two, three, five or even seven games at this level, especially strikers. It isn''t easy to score Premier League goals, hence the high prices paid for those who consistently do so.

[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Trawlerboy"]I have not trashed anything - just posted some facts Plod.Perhaps you could identify these games where Jackson has had a longer run in the NCFC team than 5 starts? As you are such an expert on him and his goal scoring ratio, I am sure that you will have all of the stats readily to hand? [/quote] I have no stats on Jackson and i think you must be getting confused with somebody else with this ramble about 5 starts because it certainly does not relate to anything whatsoever that i have posted. All i have ever said about Jackson is that i do not consider him to be a good enough Premiership striker and that for every ten chances that come his way he could not hit a cows backside with a banjo. [/quote]So you have counted the number of chances that Jackson has had, subtracted the number of goals he has scored and came up with this logical summary on his ability all by yourself did you?As for the consecutive starts being the most that he has had for us, I wonder if you will judge any new striker on such a limited run in the team?Warning to all strikers thinking of signing for NCFC.

I have not trashed anything - just posted some facts Plod.Perhaps you could identify these games where Jackson has had a longer run in the NCFC team than 5 starts? As you are such an expert on him and his goal scoring ratio, I am sure that you will have all of the stats readily to hand?

[quote user="Lets be aving you"]"Comparing CMS and Morison is like saying a goat is a poor man''s dolphin."   LMAO!   [/quote]Is CMS the goat or the Dolphin? [:^)]

Yes I have seen him play Kick it Off. He is a very average Championship Striker at best who will add absolutely nothing to what we currently have in the squad. We already have better options than him at the club and there are far better options available elsewhere.  If we do want to spend some money on another striker.Of course, I forgot though, we love to praise people to the hilt who have done relatively little - James Vaughan a recent example - but enjoy knocking players who have scored for us on a fairly consistent basis.You may feel needy for another very average striker at best, I don''t and would much rather go with what we have got if this is the best option on the table.

[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Trawlerboy"]So says two guys who thought that Peter Grant, Glen Roeder and Bryan Gunn were wonderful managers. That players like Andy Hughes, Gary Doherty, John Otsemobor, Sammy Clingan, Chris Brown, Lee Croft and David Strihavka were good enough to win Promotion from the Championship.Let''s take a look at where those players are now shall we? [/quote] Oh dear me Smudger is that the best you can do ? I will agree that i thought Peter Grant would do the business but i was wrong but as for this talk that i thought Roeder and Gunn were "wonderful managers" i challenge you to post anything i said that was even remotely positive about their tenures.As for the list of players you have offered up it is just too ridiculous for words and i seriously think you are deluded if there ever was any suggestion on my part that they were good enough to win us promotion.Put up or shut up on that one Smudger. Anyway how is Thumbelina these days ? [/quote]Why didn''t you voice your concern about Roeder and Gunn at the organisation which you ran at the time then?  I guess that is why they voted you out as chairman - due to being able to fit your knowledge of what how to form a good football team on to the back of postage stamp.Just for the record - Peter Grant was perhaps the worst of those 3 managers, but unlike you at least he had the good grace to realise it.

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Trawlerboy"]So says two guys who thought that Peter Grant, Glen Roeder and Bryan Gunn were wonderful managers. That players like Andy Hughes, Gary Doherty, John Otsemobor, Sammy Clingan, Chris Brown, Lee Croft and David Strihavka were good enough to win Promotion from the Championship.Let''s take a look at where those players are now shall we? [/quote]   Links please! Not too many at once though. If you''re gonna lose it like last night can you wait ''til the kids are in bed[S]   Now about this bag of cement....     [/quote]All the regulars here know how you so keenly defended such useless players and managers when they were here.No need for me to waste time trawling the interweb for such links.I guess your friend has removed them anyhow? [^o)]

A poor mans Steve Morison.Please don''t let this happen.

[quote user="Mike"]Jackson was your best player IMO against us.[/quote]Nice to get an objective view from a QPR fan I assume?

[quote user="paul moy"]With his pace and freshness, coming on late against tired defenders Jackson should score more than if he plays a full game. It certainly worked when he had that flurry in the last 10-12 games of the Champs season.  Morison is definitely the better 90 minute player IMO.  [/quote]Again an NCFC fan talking out of their backside. It was actually the last 8 games of the Championship season that Jackson was involved in.Here are the fixtures towards the end of the 2010/11 season.April Sat 2 Scunthorpe (H)              Jackson came on as sub, last 20 mins - hatrick Sat 9 Swansea (A)                    http://www.teamtalk.com/match/report/978/6862289  Jackson was not in the starting line-up at The Liberty Tue 12 Watford (A)                http://www.football.co.uk/watford/team_lineups__watford_v_norwich_city_12_apr_2011_rss1641246.shtml                                                   Again Jackson entered the game second half as a sub for the injured Sam Vokes if I remember correctly - scored                                                   the equaliser to ear us a 2-2 draw. Sat 16 Nottm Forest (H)        Jackson starts, no goals Sat 23 Ipswich (A)                  Jackson starts and scores one goal in five Mon 25 Derby (H)                 Jackson starts - hatrick Sat 30 Portsmouth (A)          Jackson starts and scores the only goal of the game May Sun 8 Coventry (H)                Jackson starts - no goals Where is the correlation that Jackson done better from the bench than he did when starting games? Unless somebody can prove otherwise, I do not believe that Jackson has started more than 5 consecutive games for NCFC since he signed for us. It is a good job that all NCFC players are not judged as harshly as Jackson has been by some of the experts on this messageboard.

So says two guys who thought that Peter Grant, Glen Roeder and Bryan Gunn were wonderful managers. That players like Andy Hughes, Gary Doherty, John Otsemobor, Sammy Clingan, Chris Brown, Lee Croft and David Strihavka were good enough to win Promotion from the Championship.Let''s take a look at where those players are now shall we?

[quote user="barclay_boy111"][quote user="Gingerpele"]Holt didn''t need a considerable run to score. He scored coming off the bench at least twice, and was scoring almost immediately on his return to the starting line up. He starts slow.[/quote] Yes holty does start slow but he starts from the start of the season, Simeon might be a slow starter but he only starts the latter half o the season so when he gets up to speed he''s either been dropped again or seasons over like the end of the championship season. So why is it ok for holt to start of slowly and not alright for Jackson to do so? P.s not knocking holy for starting slowly :-)[/quote] BINGO!

Rochdale v Shrewsbury Town, 26 November 2005 Score4-3 to Rochdale RefereeBrian Curson CompetitionLeague Two VenueSpotland Attendance2,845 View Rochdale v Shrewsbury Town head to head 4 Rochdale 3 Shrewsbury Town Goals: Grant Holt penalty 6 Rickie Lambert 47 Grant Holt 78 Rickie Lambert 81 Goals: Colin McMenamin 3 Gavin Cowan 9 Mark Stallard 42 Rochdale Starting lineup: Goalkeeper Matthew Gilks Defender/Right back Gary Brown Defender Neil Brisco Defender Jamie Clarke Defender/Centre back Rory McArdle Defender/Midfielder Alan Goodall Defender/Left back Tony Gallimore Midfielder Gary Jones Midfielder/Forward Rickie Lambert Forward Grant Holt Forward Blair Sturrock Shrewsbury Town Starting lineup: Goalkeeper Joe Hart Defender/Right back Ben Herd Defender Gavin Cowan Defender/Centre back Richard Hope Defender/Centre back Stuart Whitehead Defender/Midfielder Neil Ashton Midfielder Neil Sorvel Midfielder Jamie Tolley Midfielder David Edwards Forward Colin McMenamin Forward Mark StallardLooks like Rochdale employed a 3-5-2 of sorts?Blair Sturrock made 33 appearances for Rochdale that season. So with some of Lamberts games being from midfield that season, YES he was one hell of a player.