1st post... need to air my views!

[NCFC1902 0]

Afternoon, first time poster.. been reading a long time :) I am 23, and not as articulute as many of you so please... give me a chance!? :)

Firstly, I need to investigate a statement I have read numerous times, or something that people have basically said but not in these exact words.

Statement: ''CH is No PL''

FACT: PL took a squad of players which was FAR TOO GOOD for L1 to the Championship (IN MY OPINION, a monkey could of won us that league with that squad... yes I know Gunny failed, but that was a joke) he then took us to the Prem, something that other clubs have recently achieved and their manager isn''t being hailed as a mesiah, and then kept us in a VERY POOR standard premier league, any one of the bottom 12 clubs could have been relegated at one point.

FACT: CH is considered a god at two clubs already, where as PL was just another Joe Bloggs when he came to city. He has EUROPEAN and CUP RUN experience with a team in similar stature to ourselves. He has not tasted failure.

I''m sorry but how is CH no PL? - I should point out, I''m not a PL hater, I love the man and what he done for my club... but I can not believe the negativity around CH, I am excited, I have Newcastle and Brummie friends who ENVY me... even though one of them just finished in a european qualifaction place with Pardew, they envy US, Norwich. Because we have CH...  I must be missing something, please some one explain why CH is no PL....... PLEASE! HE''S NOT EVEN HAD A COMPETITVE MATCH YET IN YELLOW!

NEXT! Our signings, and transfer budget...

In short - we are clearing our debts. We are going to be a DEBT FREE CLUB! Think of the £££? Think of the stadia expansion? Think of the ability to be able to pay Prem wages for the likes of Snodgrass, Pilks, Holt IF we are to go down (instant promotion?), think of the players we can sign in January SHOULD we need them.

Stop being short sighted, this is a squad of players that finished 12th, we have a fantastic manager, and have improved our squad with youth, experience and excitement.

 

I can not wait for Saturday, I can not wait for this season, I can not wait to see our new players!

KICK IT OFF.  

 

 

[lappinitup 629]

Binner!

[yoda 0]

There''s much truth in what you say .

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

Nice post and welcome to the forums.You make some good points.

[Lord Horn 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"]Binner![/quote]

[:D]

[First Wizard 0]

Hi Delia, now get back in the kitchen.

[NCFC1902 0]

[quote user="Wiz"]Hi Delia, now get back in the kitchen.[/quote]

Ironic, the pointless post coming from one of the posters I have admired for posting absolute rubbish for the past 2/3 years!

Thank you for my welcome!

[Yellow and Green 352]

Might as well join in as well!

I think everyone has been relatively positive towards Hughton so far, it''s just Lambert did such a good job, that CH now has a tough job to live up to what he achieved here.

Now don''t get me wrong, I think Hughton has done fine so far, it''s just that Lambert set such high standards. His transfer record was great - young, hungry, British players from the lower leagues was something we were all screaming for for years before.

Even though we all have our own opinions on formations, Lambert stuck to his own ideas and mixed it up every week. We could rarely complain because of his track record of winning games by playing attractive football.

Now Hughton has the task of evolving the squad and keeping us in the Prem. He has his own ideas and so far I think he has identified a lack of experience at the back as an area of concern. Whittaker, Turner, Garrido (possibly) and rumours of a backup keeper are his answer to last seasons leaky defence.

I can see what he is thinking - and somewhat agree with him, but it is a shame to see Lambert''s ''young and hungry'' era end. I for one was hoping to see the likes of Naughton, Gunter, Clyne, Davies or whoever else PL wanted to dig up from the lower leagues, but CH now has his own ideas and we just have to trust him and see how he does.

As the OP said, his track record is great and I''m sure we will be fine at the end of the season.

OTBC

[Bws Cat 0]

Oh jolly. Casual sexism from Wiz.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="NCFC1902"]

[quote user="Wiz"]Hi Delia, now get back in the kitchen.[/quote]

Ironic, the pointless post coming from one of the posters I have admired for posting absolute rubbish for the past 2/3 years!

Thank you for my welcome!

[/quote]

 

No problem fella, I didn''t want to disapoint you, and you wern''t.[;)]

[tom cavendish 0]

[quote user="NCFC1902"]

NEXT! Our signings, and transfer budget...

In short - we are clearing our debts. We are going to be a DEBT FREE CLUB! Think of the £££? Think of the stadia expansion? Think of the ability to be able to pay Prem wages for the likes of Snodgrass, Pilks, Holt IF we are to go down (instant promotion?), think of the players we can sign in January SHOULD we need them.

[/quote]12th last season meant the club made nearly £7m extra. That would have gone a long way to clearing debts. Stadium expansion would cost £20m.If the club is struggling by January then it will be a lot harder to attract good Premier League standard players.After next season there is to be a massive increase in the Premier League money so the club should do everything NOW to make sure the squad is good enough to stay up. At the moment, the defense is even weaker than it was last season.

[Vazzza 62]

With all the 1st time posters in the past few weeks I thought i''d don my armor and finally join after trolling for a good few years.

I agree with the majority of what the OP has said. I think people asking where our budget has gone need to calm down. For a new manager to come in and blow the complete budget he''s given, without even seeing what aspect of the team needs work (using his first hand opinion, not DVD''s of last year) would be madness. We have a relatively strong squad, that with the right motivation is good enough to survive, so IMO it makes sense to keep some money for January when he knows what he''ll need to really push on and make a difference. Or he could listen to the majority of posters on here and just hurry up and bring in a LB and natural goal scorer :)

I''m still not looking forward to Saturday though, been to far to many games at the Cottage to expect anything other than a loss. If we walk away with 3 points it''ll be an amazing start to CH''s career, and will make me worship the ground he walks on, for a week at least anyway!

My major concern is how CH seems to be preparing the team. We seem to be extremely defensive, regardless of the strength of the opposition. As long as we continue to play flowing attacking football, against the teams we should be competing against for league positions, then happy days.

[Katie Borkins 1]

[quote user="NCFC1902"]

Afternoon, first time poster.. been reading a long time :) I am 23, and not as articulute as many of you so please... give me a chance!? :)

Firstly, I need to investigate a statement I have read numerous times, or something that people have basically said but not in these exact words.

Statement: ''CH is No PL''

FACT: PL took a squad of players which was FAR TOO GOOD for L1 to the Championship (IN MY OPINION, a monkey could of won us that league with that squad... yes I know Gunny failed, but that was a joke) he then took us to the Prem, something that other clubs have recently achieved and their manager isn''t being hailed as a mesiah, and then kept us in a VERY POOR standard premier league, any one of the bottom 12 clubs could have been relegated at one point.

FACT: CH is considered a god at two clubs already, where as PL was just another Joe Bloggs when he came to city. He has EUROPEAN and CUP RUN experience with a team in similar stature to ourselves. He has not tasted failure.

I''m sorry but how is CH no PL? - I should point out, I''m not a PL hater, I love the man and what he done for my club... but I can not believe the negativity around CH, I am excited, I have Newcastle and Brummie friends who ENVY me... even though one of them just finished in a european qualifaction place with Pardew, they envy US, Norwich. Because we have CH...  I must be missing something, please some one explain why CH is no PL....... PLEASE! HE''S NOT EVEN HAD A COMPETITVE MATCH YET IN YELLOW!

NEXT! Our signings, and transfer budget...

In short - we are clearing our debts. We are going to be a DEBT FREE CLUB! Think of the £££? Think of the stadia expansion? Think of the ability to be able to pay Prem wages for the likes of Snodgrass, Pilks, Holt IF we are to go down (instant promotion?), think of the players we can sign in January SHOULD we need them.

Stop being short sighted, this is a squad of players that finished 12th, we have a fantastic manager, and have improved our squad with youth, experience and excitement.

 

I can not wait for Saturday, I can not wait for this season, I can not wait to see our new players!

KICK IT OFF.  

 

[/quote]

Dear oh dear oh dear.  Where do I start with you, Junior?  You suggest that winning League One with the unfit, lazy, out of condition squad he inherited from Bryan "Job for Life" Gunn was easy.  You seem to think promotion from the Championship in one season was easy.  You seem to think staying in the Premier League was easy because "it was a very poor standard league".  (Really?  Did you see Blackburn outplay us twice?  Wigan?)

 

Your Newcastle friend envies you?  Don''t make me laugh, child.  It''s the false envy of someone who knows six more points are coming their way next season.  I can well believe your Birmingham friend envies you.  If I was from Birmingham, I''d envy everybody who wasn''t.

 

On top of everything else, you have the audacity to present your half-baked opinions as "FACT".  Well, here''s a FACT of my own.  FACT: I think you''re a nincompoop.  Now run along and play in the road.

 

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="tom cavendish"]Stadium expansion would cost £20m.[/quote]Not if you can get the council to pay for it and then charge the club a peppercorn rent. They would then be able to rent it to the UEA as a classroom and a carpark and make loadsa money (at no cost to the taxpayer). At least, I think that''s what they said......

[tom cavendish 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="tom cavendish"]Stadium expansion would cost £20m.[/quote]Not if you can get the council to pay for it and then charge the club a peppercorn rent. They would then be able to rent it to the UEA as a classroom and a carpark and make loadsa money (at no cost to the taxpayer). At least, I think that''s what they said......[/quote]Nope,

but the club could look to lease part of a new stand to the UEA which

in turn would help to cover the cost of the stand. The UEA are doing a

feasibility study for NCFC.

Alternatively, a new stadium that could be funded in various ways

including selling CR, money from football grants for new stadiums, the

council from an enabling development, and part lease the stadium to the

UEA. If it was built at the showground (where they are now willing to

lease land for a new stadium and there is already a big car park

available with public transport links direct to and from the city and

UEA) then it would massively reduce the build costs.

[Lets be aving you! 0]

Lapps, I think you forgot the bit about relocating the stadium to Norwich Airport (or some hideous council building).

 

Nice to see our old friend peppercorn resurfacing.

[tom cavendish 0]

[quote user="Lets be aving you"]

Lapps, I think you forgot the bit about relocating the stadium to Norwich Airport (or some hideous council building).

 

Nice to see our old friend peppercorn resurfacing.

[/quote]A matter of weeks ago people were slagging me off and saying there was

no way that the Showground would ever allow a new stadium to be built on

their land, and now the Showground want one...

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="tom cavendish"]Stadium expansion would cost £20m.[/quote]

Not if you can get the council to pay for it and then charge the club a peppercorn rent. They would then be able to rent it to the UEA as a classroom and a carpark and make loadsa money (at no cost to the taxpayer). At least, I think that''s what they said......
[/quote]

How did you come up with the figure of £20m anyway? Considering the Ricoh Arena cost £113m to build and St Mary''s cost £32m to build? How can you be so sure of the cost when these things seem so massively variable from project to project?

 

Sorry to hijack this thread - but it just seems impressive you can be so exact on the figure.

[Devils Advocate. 0]

[quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Lets be aving you"]

Lapps, I think you forgot the bit about relocating the stadium to Norwich Airport (or some hideous council building).

 

Nice to see our old friend peppercorn resurfacing.

[/quote]

A matter of weeks ago people were slagging me off and saying there was no way that the Showground would ever allow a new stadium to be built on their land, and now the Showground want one...


[/quote]

"The Showground want one" ?   Perhaps I have missed something but is that the same showground where many of the residents are objecting to a new Speedway track on the grounds of noise and traffic despite it being situated a stones throw away from the southern bypass.

Would the council tax payers of Norwich be happy to fund a new stadium/stand for Norwich City, if it meant putting the council tax up, be interesting to find out.

[tom cavendish 0]

[quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="tom cavendish"]Stadium expansion would cost £20m.[/quote]Not if you can get the council to pay for it and then charge the club a peppercorn rent. They would then be able to rent it to the UEA as a classroom and a carpark and make loadsa money (at no cost to the taxpayer). At least, I think that''s what they said......[/quote]

How did you come up with the figure of £20m anyway? Considering the Ricoh Arena cost £113m to build and St Mary''s cost £32m to build? How can you be so sure of the cost when these things seem so massively variable from project to project?

 

Sorry to hijack this thread - but it just seems impressive you can be so exact on the figure.

[/quote]

"Chief executive David McNally said the Canaries had to

look at increasing ground capacity if they became re-established as a

top-flight club. But, speaking at the club’s annual meeting, he warned

that adding 8,000 to the current capacity of 27,000 would cost £20m,

money it would take years to recoup."

[Tumbleweed 106]

While I am not sure I agree with many of the supporting "facts" I agree with the OP''s general point that there is no reason to believe that CH won''t be successful in continuing the Lambert work. When the appointment was made the general media reaction was positive and the sacking from Ncl soundly derided at the time. Change is always difficult, but I''ll always remember when Mike Walker was appointed and despite the absence of the internet there was great concern at the time.

 

On one of the specific points I did think PL was quite "gung ho", with attack being the best form of defence but we were often starved of possession in midfield even in Lge 1. I would not object to a more cautious approach in order to relieve the pressure on the strikers who usually had to score at least two goals for a victory because we gave so many away. Sometimes it was only poor finishing (eg Liverpool away) and John Ruddy heroics which stopped us getting a battering and the heavy defeats to Man City showed what could happen against more ruthless strikers.

 

After the Olympics however the return of football following a frankly rather dismal England showing in Euro 2012 seems a bit of a damp squib.

[tom cavendish 0]

[quote user="Devils Advocate."][quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Lets be aving you"]

Lapps, I think you forgot the bit about relocating the stadium to Norwich Airport (or some hideous council building).

 

Nice to see our old friend peppercorn resurfacing.

[/quote]A matter of weeks ago people were slagging me off and saying there was no way that the Showground would ever allow a new stadium to be built on their land, and now the Showground want one...

[/quote]

"The Showground want one" ?   Perhaps I have missed something but is that the same showground where many of the residents are objecting to a new Speedway track on the grounds of noise and traffic despite it being situated a stones throw away from the southern bypass.

Would the council tax payers of Norwich be happy to fund a new stadium/stand for Norwich City, if it meant putting the council tax up, be interesting to find out.

[/quote]The council probably wouldn''t need to fund a stadium if it was built at the showground site. A large part of the cost of a new stadium is in purchasing the land. There is also a park n ride car park next to the site that is vacant at times when a match would be played (evenings and weekends). As NCFC wouldn''t need to purchase the land, nor build a stadium car park then it would significantly reduce the cost of a new stadium.

[Devils Advocate. 0]

 I think that trying to build a new stadium around Norwich would be pretty much a non starter due to difficulties in getting planning permission. I very much doubt that Carrow road would not get permission these days.

  Let''s face it there are objections to having a new graveyard at Hainford, how much noise or traffic can that cause ?

[ricardo 8,040]

[quote user="yoda"]There''s much truth in what you say .[/quote]

And just as much nonsense.Why is it that when we won League 1 and Finished runners up in the Championship certain people feel the need to claim that they were poor leaugue''s?The supposed facts just don''t add up. Us, Leeds and Millwall went up from league 1 and all did pretty well the following season in the Championship. The same thing happened last year when all three promoted teams survived (2 of then comfortably). In neither of those promotion seasons did teams run away with it and get points totals over 100 as has happened on the odd occasion. This shows that both leagues were just as competitive as any normal season.You are only 23 so perhaps you don''t realise how exceptional the last three seasons have been. Look back at our history, we have had lots of ups and downs but the seldom extend to 3 good seasons in a row. By any definition PL has been an exceptional manager for NCFC and IMO the best that I have seen (and thats going all the way back to Tom Parker in the mid 1950''s).Chris Hughton comes in with good credentials and I hope and trust that his tenure in the CR hot seat turns out to be a successful one. If he becomes half the cult hero that PL became in his time he will do well enough in my book.

[lappinitup 629]

I agree with all that Ricardo. Like you, I can''t remember ever having three successfull consecutive seasons and it''s crazy to belittle anything Lambert did while he was here.

[ricardo 8,040]

[quote user="lappinitup"]I agree with all that Ricardo. Like you, I can''t remember ever having three successfull consecutive seasons and it''s crazy to belittle anything Lambert did while he was here. [/quote]I''ve just seen Robbie Savages tips for relegation Lapps. He says Reading, Southampton and Villa.Can''t see it myself,  Villa look nothing special but PL will make them a better side.

[PurpleCanary 6,389]

[quote user="lappinitup"]I agree with all that Ricardo. Like you, I can''t remember ever having three successfull consecutive seasons and it''s crazy to belittle anything Lambert did while he was here.
[/quote]

 

That''s because you''re way too young![:P] 1958-59, 1959-60 and 1960-61 we had the FA Cup run, promotion to the second tier and then 4th place the next season. The four seasons starting in 1985-86 we won the second tier by seven points and then had consecutive top-flight finishes of 5th, 14th and 4th, being deprived of European football in - I think - two of those years.

[ricardo 8,040]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]

[quote user="lappinitup"]I agree with all that Ricardo. Like you, I can''t remember ever having three successfull consecutive seasons and it''s crazy to belittle anything Lambert did while he was here. [/quote]

 

That''s because you''re way too young![:P] 1958-59, 1959-60 and 1960-61 we had the FA Cup run, promotion to the second tier and then 4th place the next season. The four seasons starting in 1985-86 we won the second tier by seven points and then had consecutive top-flight finishes of 5th, 14th and 4th, being deprived of European football in - I think - two of those years.

[/quote]I remember all those seasons very well Purple and can assure you they were nothing like as impressive as the last three years. Yes the Cup run was exciting and we carried the momentum to finish as runners up to Southampton the following season. In 60/61 we finished 4th but never at any time looked like getting promoted.Likewise in 85/86 it was a good promotion season and we did follow it up with our best sustained period in the top flight ( pre Premier League). However none of this compares with the last 3 seasons IMO.Perhaps others may disagree but for me the last 3 seasons is tops.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="NCFC1902"]

Afternoon, first time poster.. been reading a long time :) I am 23, and not as articulute as many of you so please... give me a chance!? :)

Firstly, I need to investigate a statement I have read numerous times, or something that people have basically said but not in these exact words.

Statement: ''CH is No PL''

FACT: PL took a squad of players which was FAR TOO GOOD for L1 to the Championship (IN MY OPINION, a monkey could of won us that league with that squad... yes I know Gunny failed, but that was a joke) he then took us to the Prem, something that other clubs have recently achieved and their manager isn''t being hailed as a mesiah, and then kept us in a VERY POOR standard premier league, any one of the bottom 12 clubs could have been relegated at one point.

FACT: CH is considered a god at two clubs already, where as PL was just another Joe Bloggs when he came to city. He has EUROPEAN and CUP RUN experience with a team in similar stature to ourselves. He has not tasted failure.

I''m sorry but how is CH no PL? - I should point out, I''m not a PL hater, I love the man and what he done for my club... but I can not believe the negativity around CH, I am excited, I have Newcastle and Brummie friends who ENVY me... even though one of them just finished in a european qualifaction place with Pardew, they envy US, Norwich. Because we have CH...  I must be missing something, please some one explain why CH is no PL....... PLEASE! HE''S NOT EVEN HAD A COMPETITVE MATCH YET IN YELLOW!

NEXT! Our signings, and transfer budget...

In short - we are clearing our debts. We are going to be a DEBT FREE CLUB! Think of the £££? Think of the stadia expansion? Think of the ability to be able to pay Prem wages for the likes of Snodgrass, Pilks, Holt IF we are to go down (instant promotion?), think of the players we can sign in January SHOULD we need them.

Stop being short sighted, this is a squad of players that finished 12th, we have a fantastic manager, and have improved our squad with youth, experience and excitement.

 

I can not wait for Saturday, I can not wait for this season, I can not wait to see our new players!

KICK IT OFF.  

 

 

[/quote]

If you''re going to knock PL for that then you can say the same about CH who took a Prem squad from Champs to Prem. A monkey could have done that.... thus I have my reservations.  

 

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="lappinitup"]Binner![/quote]

Nope... Bryan Gunn