Rock The Boat 1,332 Posted November 24, 2011 Paul Lambert quote at the AGM "“Arsenal were too good. .......I don’t think we are competing with them. I think we are competing with the ones around about us and the ones below us. That is our barometer – to see if we can compete with them. " Seems like Sir Paul recognises the mini-league concept. Keep up the good work Canton, 10,000 views can''t be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,511 Posted November 24, 2011 Presumably that makes Lambert one of the ''terminally dim''. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yorkshire Canary 118 Posted November 24, 2011 There is a slight worry here we have played 4 at home in the mini league 5 after QPR Blackburn have only played 1 and Bolton 2. Also are Stoke falling into the mini league ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Allen Macdonalds 0 Posted November 25, 2011 This Mini league is a miff.I would say apart from the top 6 anyone can beat anyone on there day. I don''t see Norwich, QPR, West Brom and fulham falling into this.For me Blackburn are very average, also think wigan and wolves are worse than the above teams. All the above have goals in the team. QPR will add in Jan and I expect mid table and I think swansea will end up struggling. There home form will be the key but rumour has it there fans are star struck by the big name players from opposing teams, shocking but true. Loftus road comes top for untimadation but you have decent crowds too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well I Never 0 Posted November 25, 2011 Is it a miff? Isn''t it a miff? Frankly, I''m miffed by it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted November 26, 2011 -- Everton have been removed from the table --LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 13 - Saturday) 16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A) 15pts QPR (6 rivals played, 2H, 4A) 14pts WBA (5 rivals played; 3H, 2A) 13pts Swansea (6 rivals played, 4H, 2A) 12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 11pts Wolverhampton Wanders (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A) 11pts Sunderland (6 rivals played; 3H. 3A) --- 9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A) 7pts Blackburn Rovers (4 rivals played; 0H, 4A) HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals) 14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt) 11pts WBA from 5 games (2.20) 10pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 6 games (1.67) 9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5) 9pts Swansea from 6 games (1.5) 9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13) 6pts Sunderland from 6 games (1.00) --- 6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00) 4pts Blackburn Rovers from 4 games (1.00) 4pts QPR from 6 games (0.66) AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals) 2.20 WBA (11/5) 2.00 Norwich City from (14/7) 1.67 Wolverhampton Wanders (10/6) 1.50 Fulham (9/6) 1.50 Swansea (9/6) 1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8) 1.00 Blackburn Rovers (4/4) --- 1.00 Sunderland (6/6) 1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6) 0.66 QPR (4/6) Bolton are now the only team to be in the bottom 3 places on all 3 tables. Wigan and Blackburn are in there on 2 others, with QPR and Sunderland making 1 cameo appearance.Fulham take a free point away to Arsenal, leading me to think that if they would get themselves knocked out of the Europa League, they probably would end up safe. Apart from this, the results today were ideal for Norwich.Big Fixtures (Next 8 days)Blackburn vs. SwanseaMan City vs. NorwichQPR vs. West BromWolverhampton vs. Sunderland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted November 26, 2011 "-- Everton have been removed from the table --" Really? On what basis? Could it be that they have 16 points now...just like Norwich? No, surely not. Could it be that they have a favourable single goal difference over Norwich? No, that would be clutching at straws. Can it be that they have fewer losses than Norwich? No, can''t be that as they''ve actually lost one more game than Norwich. Well, if it''s none of those things it can only be that CantonsHero has taken a look at upcoming Everton fixtures and decided that they should get something from those games and he will appear to be ahead of the curve. Nothing to do with this silly relegation mini-league but simply Canton wanting to express his arbitrary opinion on something, the same as everyone else. That''s fair enough then, as long as we''ve got that straight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted November 26, 2011 I''ve removed them because at the beginning of the season hardly anyone who have considered them candidates to go down, but with no new players and Arteta leaving, as well as a poor start, they might have ended themselves as candidates.However, they''re winning games against everyone; they have an average points per game against "rivals" of 2.50 beating everyone except QPR, and it became extremely evident that they were going to overcome their off-field problems.Yes, they''re level on points with us, but apart from Wigan, we''ve had the easiest 13 games of anyone in the group, and if we make 6 more points before 2012, we''ll have done well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted November 26, 2011 [quote user="CantonsHero"]I''ve removed them because at the beginning of the season hardly anyone who have considered them candidates to go down, but with no new players and Arteta leaving, as well as a poor start, they might have ended themselves as candidates. However, they''re winning games against everyone; they have an average points per game against "rivals" of 2.50 beating everyone except QPR, and it became extremely evident that they were going to overcome their off-field problems. Yes, they''re level on points with us, but apart from Wigan, we''ve had the easiest 13 games of anyone in the group, and if we make 6 more points before 2012, we''ll have done well.[/quote] I really do question your evaluation. Everton has won two games in a row against teams in the bottom four. Prior to that they had lost 5 of their last 6 matches. Compared to Norwich, for example, they have played five matches against teams in the top seven yielding zero points and a negative goal differential of eight, whereas Norwich have played four matches against teams in the top seven yielding one point and a negative goal differential of five. I would say, if anything, that reflects us in a favourable light. No, I''m afraid I''m not buying your input Canton. You''re looking ahead at their fixtures and trying to get a jump start on appearing to be ahead of the curve. Now, come on, be a big boy and admit it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted November 26, 2011 No.I placed Everton in there because I thought that this was the year that David Moyes was finally unable to keep them kicking above their weight. Their poor start seemed to confirm this. They are historic bad starters.Now they are up to 8th, and evidently the class that they have in some of their players and the superb manager will keep them riding high for another year.That is the only reason. Apart from Norwich, I have no idea what their future fixtures are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted November 27, 2011 LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 13 - Saturday) 16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A) 15pts QPR (6 rivals played, 2H, 4A) 14pts WBA (5 rivals played; 3H, 2A) 14pts Swansea (6 rivals played, 4H, 2A) 12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 11pts Wolverhampton Wanders (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A) 11pts Sunderland (6 rivals played; 3H. 3A) --- 9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A) 7pts Blackburn Rovers (4 rivals played; 0H, 4A) HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals) 14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt) 11pts WBA from 5 games (2.20) 10pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 6 games (1.67) 9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5) 9pts Swansea from 6 games (1.5) 9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13) 6pts Sunderland from 6 games (1.00) --- 6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00) 4pts Blackburn Rovers from 4 games (1.00) 4pts QPR from 6 games (0.66) AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals) 2.20 WBA (11/5) 2.00 Norwich City from (14/7) 1.67 Wolverhampton Wanders (10/6) 1.50 Fulham (9/6) 1.50 Swansea (9/6) 1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8) 1.00 Blackburn Rovers (4/4) --- 1.00 Sunderland (6/6) 1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6) 0.66 QPR (4/6) Bolton are now the only team to be in the bottom 3 places on all 3 tables. Wigan and Blackburn are in there on 2 others, with QPR and Sunderland making 1 cameo appearance. Fulham, and Swansea take a free point away to Arsenal and home to Villa, respectfully. Apart from these, the results today were ideal for Norwich. Big Fixtures (Next 8 days) Blackburn vs. Swansea Man City vs. Norwich QPR vs. West Brom Wolverhampton vs. Sunderland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T 190 Posted November 28, 2011 It appears that some people think Holt and and R Martin are also terminally dim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,511 Posted November 28, 2011 To be fair, they probably are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T 190 Posted November 28, 2011 Bit harsh. Not sure how they are on understanding correlation coeefecients but they both seem to have a good grasp of reality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 3, 2011 LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 14 - Saturday) 16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A) 16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A) 15pts WBA (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A) 14pts Swansea (7 rivals played, 4H, 3A) 12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 11pts Wolverhampton Wanders (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A) 11pts Sunderland (6 rivals played; 3H. 3A) --- 10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A) 9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A) HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals) 14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt) 12pts WBA from 6 games (2.00) 10pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 6 games (1.67) 9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5) 9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13) 9pts Swansea from 7 games (1.29) 7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40) --- 6pts Sunderland from 6 games (1.00) 6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00) 5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71) AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals) 2.00 Norwich City from (14/7) 2.00 WBA (12/6) 1.67 Wolverhampton Wanders (10/6) 1.50 Fulham (9/6) 1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5) 1.29 Swansea (9/7) 1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8) --- 1.00 Sunderland (6/6) 1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6) 0.81 QPR (5/7) We got thumped! Oh well. Thankfully WBA and QPR shared the points, Bolton and Wigan got stuffed as well and Swansea got beat. Blackburn picked up 3 points, but it was at home to a rival and those kinda results are to be expected.Bolton are now the only team in all three tables, with Sunderland and QPR in two, but I expect to see Sunderland''s fortunes improve pretty soon.Wolves vs. Stoke (Sun 4)Norwich vs. Newcastle (Sat 10)Swansea vs. FulhamWBA vs. WiganSunderland vs. Blackburn (Sun 11) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ca 1 Posted December 4, 2011 Thanks for the update, lets hope that Bolton and Wigan keep losing, that could be two places taken care of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 4, 2011 LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 14 - Saturday) 16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A) 16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A) 15pts WBA (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A) 14pts Swansea (7 rivals played, 4H, 3A) 14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A) 12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 11pts Sunderland (7 rivals played; 3H. 4A) --- 10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A) 9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A) HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals) 14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt) 12pts WBA from 6 games (2.00) 13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86) 9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5) 9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13) 9pts Swansea from 7 games (1.29) 7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40) --- 6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00) 6pts Sunderland from 7 games (0.86) 5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71) AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals) 2.00 Norwich City from (14/7) 2.00 WBA (12/6) 1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7) 1.50 Fulham (9/6) 1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5) 1.29 Swansea (9/7) 1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8) --- 1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6) 0.86 Sunderland (6/7) 0.71 QPR (5/7) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reykjavik Canary 0 Posted December 5, 2011 Can anyone explain the purpose of these tables? It''s almost identical to the actual League Table and the actual League Table is the one that decides who goes down.And why are Stoke (hope they go down, Pulis hates Icelanders) not on the Relegation possible teams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,209 Posted December 5, 2011 [quote user="NauruDude"]Can anyone explain the purpose of these tables? It''s almost identical to the actual League Table and the actual League Table is the one that decides who goes down.And why are Stoke (hope they go down, Pulis hates Icelanders) not on the Relegation possible teams?[/quote] We all like you. You are, after all, one of God''s frozen people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 6, 2011 LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 14) 16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A) 16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A) 15pts WBA (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A) 15pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 14pts Swansea (7 rivals played, 4H, 3A) 14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A) 11pts Sunderland (7 rivals played; 3H. 4A) --- 10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A) 9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) 9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A) HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals) 14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt) 12pts WBA from 6 games (2.00) 13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86) 9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5) 9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13) 9pts Swansea from 7 games (1.29) 7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40) --- 6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00) 6pts Sunderland from 7 games (0.86) 5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71) AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals) 2.00 Norwich City from (14/7) 2.00 WBA (12/6) 1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7) 1.50 Fulham (9/6) 1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5) 1.29 Swansea (9/7) 1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8) --- 1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6) 0.86 Sunderland (6/7) 0.71 QPR (5/7) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,511 Posted December 8, 2011 “It’s all we have spoken about and that is the goal, and if we keep beating teams we expect to be battling with us, then it’s a good omen for us and anything else we get from the top six is a bonus.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 10, 2011 LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 15 - Saturday) 19pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A) 17pts Swansea (8 rivals played, 5H, 3A) 16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A) 15pts WBA (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A) 15pts Fulham (7 rivals played; 2H, 5A) 14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A) 12pts Wigan Athletic (9 rivals played, 4H, 5A) --- 11pts Sunderland (7 rivals played; 3H. 4A) 10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A) 9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals) 14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt) 13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86) 12pts WBA from 7 games (1.71) 12pts Swansea from 8 games (1.50) 12pts Wigan Athletic from 9 games (1.33) 9pts Fulham from 7 games (1.29) 7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40) --- 6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00) 6pts Sunderland from 7 games (0.86) 5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71) AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals) 2.00 Norwich City from (14/7) 1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7) 1.71 WBA (12/7) 1.50 Swansea (12/8) 1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5) 1.33 Wigan Athletic (12/9) 1.29 Fulham (9/7) --- 1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6) 0.86 Sunderland (6/7) 0.71 QPR (5/7) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 10, 2011 No matter the result tomorrow we will be 7 points clear of the relegation zone. Not bad in my book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 11, 2011 LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 15) 19pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A) 17pts Swansea (8 rivals played, 5H, 3A) 16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A) 15pts WBA (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A) 15pts Fulham (7 rivals played; 2H, 5A) 14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A) 14pts Sunderland (8 rivals played; 4H. 4A) --- 12pts Wigan Athletic (9 rivals played, 4H, 5A) 10pts Blackburn Rovers (6 rivals played; 1H, 5A) 9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A) HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals) 14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt) 13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86) 12pts WBA from 7 games (1.71) 12pts Swansea from 8 games (1.50) 12pts Wigan Athletic from 9 games (1.33) 9pts Fulham from 7 games (1.29) 9pts Sunderland from 8 games (1.13) --- 7pts Blackburn Rovers from 6 games (1.17) 6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00) 5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71) AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals) 2.00 Norwich City from (14/7) 1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7) 1.71 WBA (12/7) 1.50 Swansea (12/8) 1.33 Wigan Athletic (12/9) 1.29 Fulham (9/7) 1.17 Blackburn Rovers (7/6) --- 1.13 Sunderland (9/8) 1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6) 0.71 QPR (5/7)Bolton in the relegation zone in all three tables.Sunderland, QPR & Blackburn all share the remaining two spots in 2 tables.Norwich 7 points clear of the relegation zone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Blackburn vs. West BromFulham vs. BoltonNewcastle vs. SwanseaWolves. vs. StokeWigan vs. ChelseaSpurs vs. SunderlandWith regards to the fixtures, I can see Blackburn winning, but not so for Wigan. That means a draw with Everton will maintain that 7 point gap from the relegation zone.Importantly, Spurs pop up on December 27. They have a 4 day rest between games, and we have 7 days. Though they may rest against Shamrock Rovers, they have 4 games in 12 days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Of course, there''s always the possibility that we will beat Everton next week. This would leave Norwich 6 points clear of Everton. What will you do with Everton then Canton, re-insert them into your mini-league? If not, how about removing Norwich also at that point? [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted December 11, 2011 The u English Premier League : Statto Index Ratings Current 50-Game Averages 50-Game F''castPoints Index Trend 1-10 11-20 21-30 31-40 41-50 High Low 1 Manchester United 965 +2 963 959 960 965 961 970 953 86 2 Manchester City 950 +10 941 916 911 910 904 950 896 87 3 Tottenham Hotspur 932 +11 921 905 915 908 903 932 895 79 4 Chelsea 929 -1 931 938 934 937 963 967 922 72 5 Arsenal 920 +7 909 913 933 928 925 938 898 69 6 Liverpool 908 +1 907 903 895 890 902 912 880 65 7 Newcastle United 888 -1 892 872 869 868 869 899 862 61 8 Everton 882 -7 889 899 893 894 902 907 882 51 9 Aston Villa 879 0 880 881 876 876 891 896 868 50 10 Fulham 867 -1 867 873 865 853 861 878 845 45 11 Stoke City 860 0 862 864 860 866 858 873 849 47 12 West Bromwich Albion 852 -6 859 861 845 849 858 868 837 41 13 Norwich City 847 +6 842 832 820 811 795 847 792 44 14 Blackburn Rovers 845 -2 848 853 860 871 872 878 841 36 15 Wigan Athletic 840 0 838 853 841 837 832 859 827 35 16 Wolverhampton Wndrs 839 -2 840 851 843 834 838 861 827 38 17 Sunderland 839 -8 848 852 868 872 857 880 839 35 18 Queens Park Rangers 837 0 837 829 832 820 818 843 814 39 19 Swansea City 834 +6 828 815 815 810 815 834 805 39 20 Bolton Wanderers 823 -10 832 852 863 866 855 872 823 30 pdated Statto Index Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantonsHero 0 Posted December 11, 2011 Interesting table.What do all the columns mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted December 12, 2011 Best to check the site for explanations as to rating methods but over last two seasons they have been pretty accurate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,511 Posted December 12, 2011 Good to see that David Fox has joined the ranks of the terminally dim this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites