Relegation Mini-League

[Rock The Boat 1,322]

Paul Lambert quote at the AGM "

“Arsenal were too good. .......I don’t think we are competing with them. I think we are competing with the ones around about us and the ones below us. That is our barometer – to see if we can compete with them. "

 

Seems like Sir Paul recognises the mini-league concept. Keep up the good work Canton, 10,000 views can''t be wrong.

[Robert N. LiM 4,220]

Presumably that makes Lambert one of the ''terminally dim''.

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

There is a slight worry here we have played 4 at home in the mini league 5 after QPR Blackburn have only played 1 and Bolton 2. Also are Stoke falling into the mini league ??

[Allen Macdonalds 0]

This Mini league is a miff.

I would say apart from the top 6 anyone can beat anyone on there day. I don''t see Norwich, QPR, West Brom and fulham falling into this.

For me Blackburn are very average, also think wigan and wolves are worse than the above teams. All the above have goals in the team. QPR will add in Jan and I expect mid table and I think swansea will end up struggling. There home form will be the key but rumour has it there fans are star struck by the big name players from opposing teams, shocking but true. Loftus road comes top for untimadation but you have decent crowds too.

[Well I Never 0]

Is it a miff? Isn''t it a miff? Frankly, I''m miffed by it all.

[CantonsHero 0]

-- Everton have been removed from the table --

LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 13 - Saturday)

16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A)

15pts QPR (6 rivals played, 2H, 4A)

14pts WBA (5 rivals played; 3H, 2A)

13pts Swansea (6 rivals played, 4H, 2A)

12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

11pts Wolverhampton Wanders (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A)

11pts Sunderland (6 rivals played; 3H. 3A)

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9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A)

7pts Blackburn Rovers (4 rivals played; 0H, 4A)

HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals)

14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt)

11pts WBA from 5 games (2.20)

10pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 6 games (1.67)

9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5)

9pts Swansea from 6 games (1.5)

9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13)

6pts Sunderland from 6 games (1.00)

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6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00)

4pts Blackburn Rovers from 4 games (1.00)

4pts QPR from 6 games (0.66)

AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals)

2.20 WBA (11/5)

2.00 Norwich City from (14/7)

1.67 Wolverhampton Wanders (10/6)

1.50 Fulham (9/6)

1.50 Swansea (9/6)

1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8)

1.00 Blackburn Rovers (4/4)

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1.00 Sunderland (6/6)

1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6)

0.66 QPR (4/6)

Bolton are now the only team to be in the bottom 3 places on all 3 tables. Wigan and Blackburn are in there on 2 others, with QPR and Sunderland making 1 cameo appearance.

Fulham take a free point away to Arsenal, leading me to think that if they would get themselves knocked out of the Europa League, they probably would end up safe. Apart from this, the results today were ideal for Norwich.

Big Fixtures (Next 8 days)

Blackburn vs. Swansea

Man City vs. Norwich

QPR vs. West Brom

Wolverhampton vs. Sunderland

[YankeeCanary 0]

"-- Everton have been removed from the table --"

 

Really? On what basis? Could it be that they have 16 points now...just like Norwich? No, surely not. Could it be that they have a favourable single goal difference over Norwich? No, that would be clutching at straws. Can it be that they have fewer losses than Norwich? No, can''t be that as they''ve actually lost one more game than Norwich. Well, if it''s none of those things it can only be that CantonsHero has taken a look at upcoming Everton fixtures and decided that they should get something from those games and he will appear to be ahead of the curve. Nothing to do with this silly relegation mini-league but simply Canton wanting to express his arbitrary opinion on something, the same as everyone else. That''s fair enough then, as long as we''ve got that straight.

[CantonsHero 0]

I''ve removed them because at the beginning of the season hardly anyone who have considered them candidates to go down, but with no new players and Arteta leaving, as well as a poor start, they might have ended themselves as candidates.

However, they''re winning games against everyone; they have an average points per game against "rivals" of 2.50 beating everyone except QPR, and it became extremely evident that they were going to overcome their off-field problems.

Yes, they''re level on points with us, but apart from Wigan, we''ve had the easiest 13 games of anyone in the group, and if we make 6 more points before 2012, we''ll have done well.

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="CantonsHero"]I''ve removed them because at the beginning of the season hardly anyone who have considered them candidates to go down, but with no new players and Arteta leaving, as well as a poor start, they might have ended themselves as candidates. However, they''re winning games against everyone; they have an average points per game against "rivals" of 2.50 beating everyone except QPR, and it became extremely evident that they were going to overcome their off-field problems. Yes, they''re level on points with us, but apart from Wigan, we''ve had the easiest 13 games of anyone in the group, and if we make 6 more points before 2012, we''ll have done well.[/quote]

 

I really do question your evaluation. Everton has won two games in a row against teams in the bottom four. Prior to that they had lost 5 of their last 6 matches. Compared to Norwich, for example, they have played five matches against teams in the top seven yielding zero points and a negative goal differential of eight, whereas Norwich have played four matches against teams in the top seven yielding one point and a negative goal differential of five. I would say, if anything, that reflects us in a favourable light. No, I''m afraid I''m not buying your input Canton. You''re looking ahead at their fixtures and trying to get a jump start on appearing to be ahead of the curve. Now, come on, be a big boy and admit it.

[CantonsHero 0]

No.

I placed Everton in there because I thought that this was the year that David Moyes was finally unable to keep them kicking above their weight. Their poor start seemed to confirm this. They are historic bad starters.

Now they are up to 8th, and evidently the class that they have in some of their players and the superb manager will keep them riding high for another year.

That is the only reason. Apart from Norwich, I have no idea what their future fixtures are.

[CantonsHero 0]

LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 13 - Saturday)

16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A)

15pts QPR (6 rivals played, 2H, 4A)

14pts WBA (5 rivals played; 3H, 2A)

14pts Swansea (6 rivals played, 4H, 2A)

12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

11pts Wolverhampton Wanders (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A)

11pts Sunderland (6 rivals played; 3H. 3A)

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9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A)

7pts Blackburn Rovers (4 rivals played; 0H, 4A)

HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals)

14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt)

11pts WBA from 5 games (2.20)

10pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 6 games (1.67)

9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5)

9pts Swansea from 6 games (1.5)

9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13)

6pts Sunderland from 6 games (1.00)

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6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00)

4pts Blackburn Rovers from 4 games (1.00)

4pts QPR from 6 games (0.66)

AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals)

2.20 WBA (11/5)

2.00 Norwich City from (14/7)

1.67 Wolverhampton Wanders (10/6)

1.50 Fulham (9/6)

1.50 Swansea (9/6)

1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8)

1.00 Blackburn Rovers (4/4)

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1.00 Sunderland (6/6)

1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6)

0.66 QPR (4/6)

Bolton are now the only team to be in the bottom 3 places on all 3 tables. Wigan and Blackburn are in there on 2 others, with QPR and Sunderland making 1 cameo appearance.

Fulham, and Swansea take a free point away to Arsenal and home to Villa, respectfully. Apart from these, the results today were ideal for Norwich.

Big Fixtures (Next 8 days)

Blackburn vs. Swansea

Man City vs. Norwich

QPR vs. West Brom

Wolverhampton vs. Sunderland

[T 190]

It appears that some people think Holt and and R Martin are also terminally dim

[Robert N. LiM 4,220]

To be fair, they probably are.

[T 190]

Bit harsh. Not sure how they are on understanding correlation coeefecients but they both seem to have a good grasp of reality.

[CantonsHero 0]

LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 14 - Saturday)

16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A)

16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A)

15pts WBA (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A)

14pts Swansea (7 rivals played, 4H, 3A)

12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

11pts Wolverhampton Wanders (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A)

11pts Sunderland (6 rivals played; 3H. 3A)

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10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A)

9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A)

HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals)

14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt)

12pts WBA from 6 games (2.00)

10pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 6 games (1.67)

9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5)

9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13)

9pts Swansea from 7 games (1.29)

7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40)

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6pts Sunderland from 6 games (1.00)

6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00)

5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71)

AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals)

2.00 Norwich City from (14/7)

2.00 WBA (12/6)

1.67 Wolverhampton Wanders (10/6)

1.50 Fulham (9/6)

1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5)

1.29 Swansea (9/7)

1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8)

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1.00 Sunderland (6/6)

1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6)

0.81 QPR (5/7)

We got thumped! Oh well. Thankfully WBA and QPR shared the points, Bolton and Wigan got stuffed as well and Swansea got beat. Blackburn picked up 3 points, but it was at home to a rival and those kinda results are to be expected.

Bolton are now the only team in all three tables, with Sunderland and QPR in two, but I expect to see Sunderland''s fortunes improve pretty soon.

Wolves vs. Stoke (Sun 4)

Norwich vs. Newcastle (Sat 10)

Swansea vs. Fulham

WBA vs. Wigan

Sunderland vs. Blackburn (Sun 11)

[ca 1]

Thanks for the update, lets hope that Bolton and Wigan keep losing, that could be two places taken care of.

[CantonsHero 0]

LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 14 - Saturday)

16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A)

16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A)

15pts WBA (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A)

14pts Swansea (7 rivals played, 4H, 3A)

14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A)

12pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

11pts Sunderland (7 rivals played; 3H. 4A)

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10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A)

9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A)

HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals)

14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt)

12pts WBA from 6 games (2.00)

13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86)

9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5)

9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13)

9pts Swansea from 7 games (1.29)

7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40)

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6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00)

6pts Sunderland from 7 games (0.86)

5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71)

AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals)

2.00 Norwich City from (14/7)

2.00 WBA (12/6)

1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7)

1.50 Fulham (9/6)

1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5)

1.29 Swansea (9/7)

1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8)

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1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6)

0.86 Sunderland (6/7)

0.71 QPR (5/7)

[Reykjavik Canary 0]

Can anyone explain the purpose of these tables? It''s almost identical to the actual League Table and the actual League Table is the one that decides who goes down.And why are Stoke (hope they go down, Pulis hates Icelanders) not on the Relegation possible teams?

[BroadstairsR 2,135]

[quote user="NauruDude"]Can anyone explain the purpose of these tables? It''s almost identical to the actual League Table and the actual League Table is the one that decides who goes down.

And why are Stoke (hope they go down, Pulis hates Icelanders) not on the Relegation possible teams?
[/quote]

 

We all like you. You are, after all, one of God''s frozen people. 

 

 

 

[CantonsHero 0]

LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 14)

16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A)

16pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A)

15pts WBA (6 rivals played; 3H, 3A)

15pts Fulham (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

14pts Swansea (7 rivals played, 4H, 3A)

14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A)

11pts Sunderland (7 rivals played; 3H. 4A)

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10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A)

9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

9pts Wigan Athletic (8 rivals played, 4H, 4A)

HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals)

14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt)

12pts WBA from 6 games (2.00)

13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86)

9pts Fulham from 6 games (1.5)

9pts Wigan Athletic from 8 games (1.13)

9pts Swansea from 7 games (1.29)

7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40)

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6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00)

6pts Sunderland from 7 games (0.86)

5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71)

AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals)

2.00 Norwich City from (14/7)

2.00 WBA (12/6)

1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7)

1.50 Fulham (9/6)

1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5)

1.29 Swansea (9/7)

1.13 Wigan Athletic (9/8)

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1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6)

0.86 Sunderland (6/7)

0.71 QPR (5/7)

[Robert N. LiM 4,220]

“It’s all we have spoken about and that is the goal, and if we keep beating teams we expect to be battling with us, then it’s a good omen for us and anything else we get from the top six is a bonus.”

[CantonsHero 0]

LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 15 - Saturday)

19pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A)

17pts Swansea (8 rivals played, 5H, 3A)

16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A)

15pts WBA (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A)

15pts Fulham (7 rivals played; 2H, 5A)

14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A)

12pts Wigan Athletic (9 rivals played, 4H, 5A)

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11pts Sunderland (7 rivals played; 3H. 4A)

10pts Blackburn Rovers (5 rivals played; 1H, 4A)

9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals)

14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt)

13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86)

12pts WBA from 7 games (1.71)

12pts Swansea from 8 games (1.50)

12pts Wigan Athletic from 9 games (1.33)

9pts Fulham from 7 games (1.29)

7pts Blackburn Rovers from 5 games (1.40)

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6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00)

6pts Sunderland from 7 games (0.86)

5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71)

AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals)

2.00 Norwich City from (14/7)

1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7)

1.71 WBA (12/7)

1.50 Swansea (12/8)

1.40 Blackburn Rovers (7/5)

1.33 Wigan Athletic (12/9)

1.29 Fulham (9/7)

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1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6)

0.86 Sunderland (6/7)

0.71 QPR (5/7)

[CantonsHero 0]

No matter the result tomorrow we will be 7 points clear of the relegation zone. Not bad in my book.

[CantonsHero 0]

LEAGUE TABLE SNAPSHOT (Week 15)

19pts Norwich City (7 rivals played 5H, 2A)

17pts Swansea (8 rivals played, 5H, 3A)

16pts QPR (6 rivals played, 3H, 4A)

15pts WBA (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A)

15pts Fulham (7 rivals played; 2H, 5A)

14pts Wolverhampton Wanders (7 rivals played; 4H, 3A)

14pts Sunderland (8 rivals played; 4H. 4A)

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12pts Wigan Athletic (9 rivals played, 4H, 5A)

10pts Blackburn Rovers (6 rivals played; 1H, 5A)

9pts Bolton Wanderers (6 rivals played; 2H, 4A)

HEAD-TO-HEAD TABLE (points scored against rivals)

14pts Norwich City from 7 games (2.00pt)

13pts Wolverhampton Wanders from 7 games (1.86)

12pts WBA from 7 games (1.71)

12pts Swansea from 8 games (1.50)

12pts Wigan Athletic from 9 games (1.33)

9pts Fulham from 7 games (1.29)

9pts Sunderland from 8 games (1.13)

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7pts Blackburn Rovers from 6 games (1.17)

6pts Bolton Wanderers from 6 games (1.00)

5pts QPR from 7 games (0.71)

AVERAGES TABLE (Average point per game against rivals)

2.00 Norwich City from (14/7)

1.86 Wolverhampton Wanders (13/7)

1.71 WBA (12/7)

1.50 Swansea (12/8)

1.33 Wigan Athletic (12/9)

1.29 Fulham (9/7)

1.17 Blackburn Rovers (7/6)

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1.13 Sunderland (9/8)

1.00 Bolton Wanderers (6/6)

0.71 QPR (5/7)

Bolton in the relegation zone in all three tables.

Sunderland, QPR & Blackburn all share the remaining two spots in 2 tables.

Norwich 7 points clear of the relegation zone.

[CantonsHero 0]

Blackburn vs. West Brom

Fulham vs. Bolton

Newcastle vs. Swansea

Wolves. vs. Stoke

Wigan vs. Chelsea

Spurs vs. Sunderland

With regards to the fixtures, I can see Blackburn winning, but not so for Wigan. That means a draw with Everton will maintain that 7 point gap from the relegation zone.

Importantly, Spurs pop up on December 27. They have a 4 day rest between games, and we have 7 days. Though they may rest against Shamrock Rovers, they have 4 games in 12 days.

[YankeeCanary 0]

 

Of course, there''s always the possibility that we will beat Everton next week. This would leave Norwich 6 points clear of Everton. What will you do with Everton then Canton, re-insert them into your mini-league? If not, how about removing Norwich also at that point? [:D]

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

The u English Premier League : Statto Index Ratings

		Current			50-Game Averages					50-Game			F''castPoints
		Index	Trend		1-10	11-20	21-30	31-40	41-50	High	Low
1	Manchester United	965		+2	963	959	960	965	961	970	953		86
2	Manchester City	950		+10	941	916	911	910	904	950	896		87
3	Tottenham Hotspur	932		+11	921	905	915	908	903	932	895		79
4	Chelsea	929		-1	931	938	934	937	963	967	922		72
5	Arsenal	920		+7	909	913	933	928	925	938	898		69
6	Liverpool	908		+1	907	903	895	890	902	912	880		65
7	Newcastle United	888		-1	892	872	869	868	869	899	862		61
8	Everton	882		-7	889	899	893	894	902	907	882		51
9	Aston Villa	879		0	880	881	876	876	891	896	868		50
10	Fulham	867		-1	867	873	865	853	861	878	845		45
11	Stoke City	860		0	862	864	860	866	858	873	849		47
12	West Bromwich Albion	852		-6	859	861	845	849	858	868	837		41
13	Norwich City	847		+6	842	832	820	811	795	847	792		44
14	Blackburn Rovers	845		-2	848	853	860	871	872	878	841		36
15	Wigan Athletic	840		0	838	853	841	837	832	859	827		35
16	Wolverhampton Wndrs	839		-2	840	851	843	834	838	861	827		38
17	Sunderland	839		-8	848	852	868	872	857	880	839		35
18	Queens Park Rangers	837		0	837	829	832	820	818	843	814		39
19	Swansea City	834		+6	828	815	815	810	815	834	805		39
20	Bolton Wanderers	823		-10	832	852	863	866	855	872	823		30

pdated Statto Index

 

 

[CantonsHero 0]

Interesting table.

What do all the columns mean?

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Best to check the site for explanations as to rating methods but over last two seasons they have been pretty accurate.

[Robert N. LiM 4,220]

Good to see that David Fox has joined the ranks of the terminally dim this week.